Re: [gentoo-user] Buying a new NIC
Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only reason I stick with them is because I can get them for dirt cheap. Performance wise they seem good. Linux support has been flawless too. Actually, realtek-based cards have the worst performance of all available cards. http://www.fefe.de/linuxeth/realtek.txt Uli -- Or have we eaten on the insane root, that takes the reason prisoner? -- MacBeth I, 3 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Jaime Diaz wrote: Avoid the 3Com SOHO. A 3Com 3c905 an Intel EtherExpress or, even a Realtek 8139 will do. I would avoid the realtek cards as well. Most netgear work well (natsemi driver) and the Linksys cards work well (tulip driver) if you want to buy economically. Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Al Raq wrote: I also use Linksys LNE100TX cards too for almost four years. Very happy. How do I found out if I run mine in full duplex at 100mbps ??? Regards. Al You can't run full-duplex unless you are connected to switch rather than a hub ... or directly to another card using a crossover cable that supports full-duplex. eth0: link up. eth0: Setting full-duplex based on negotiated link capability. When the module is loaded and the interface is brought up, this information will be output. I don't really know how to get it at runtime however. Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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- Original Message - From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Buying a new NIC On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 13:06, Stroller wrote: On Jan 14, 2004, at 6:37 pm, Scharf Yuval wrote: Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? I have found that the Linksys cards use the tulip driver, and personnaly they have poorer 100Mbps usability than the D-link (8139too) cards I have. The big problem with the linksys was needing short cable length for it to work without forcing 10Mbps speed. I've run Linksys cards installed on Linux PCs with over 20 metres of cable, and have had them run reliably at 100 Mbps duplex for months. I do have one box with the D-Link 8139 installed, and it too has worked quite reliably. Krishnan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:39:57 -0600 Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jaime Diaz wrote: Avoid the 3Com SOHO. A 3Com 3c905 an Intel EtherExpress or, even a Realtek 8139 will do. I would avoid the realtek cards as well. Most netgear work well (natsemi driver) and the Linksys cards work well (tulip driver) if you want to buy economically. I have seven realtek 8139 cards in use here and never encountered a single problem with them. Performance is also okay. -- Dennis Freise [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key fingerprint: 2DE8 CCEF 6E20 11D4 3B27 21EC B0BA 1749 D2C8 38ED Get my public key at : http://www.final-frontier.ath.cx/gpg_public_key.txt pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:07:16 +0100 Dennis Freise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I have seven realtek 8139 cards in use here and never encountered a | single problem with them. Performance is also okay. Ok, since someone actually made the realtek cards don't suck statement... Check out the comments in the FreeBSD driver for the card, they explain why their performance is so poor compared to other cards: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/pci/if_rl.c?rev=1.56content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markuponly_with_tag=HEAD Sure, the cards work, but unless you're really really really short on money I'd suggest staying clear of them (you can get NatSemi chipset cards as cheaply anyway... or an e100pro off eBay...). -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail:ciaranm at gentoo.org Web: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Ok, since someone actually made the realtek cards don't suck statement... Check out the comments in the FreeBSD driver for the card, they explain why their performance is so poor compared to other cards: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/pci/if_rl.c?rev=1.56content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markuponly_with_tag=HEAD Yes, but keep in mind the following quote from those comments: * It's impossible given this rotten design to really achieve decent * performance at 100Mbps, unless you happen to have a 400Mhz PII or * some equally overmuscled CPU to drive it. A 400 MHz PII is not exactly a powerhouse these days, although it may have been in 1997-1998 when those comments were written. JZ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:20:26 -0500 John Ziniti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but keep in mind the following quote from those comments: | | | * It's impossible given this rotten design to really achieve decent | * performance at 100Mbps, unless you happen to have a 400Mhz PII or | * some equally overmuscled CPU to drive it. | | | A 400 MHz PII is not exactly a powerhouse these days, although it | may have been in 1997-1998 when those comments were written. Would you rather use 1% of your CPU or 20% of your CPU when doing network-related things? The comment still applies. -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail:ciaranm at gentoo.org Web: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Or course, nowadays, most everybody is using this on a machine better than an overmuscled 400MHz P2 cpu :) Tom Veldhouse PS. I hate topposting, but OE and these attachments forbid me to do otherwise. - Original Message - From: Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Buying a new NIC On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:07:16 +0100 Dennis Freise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I have seven realtek 8139 cards in use here and never encountered a | single problem with them. Performance is also okay. Ok, since someone actually made the realtek cards don't suck statement... Check out the comments in the FreeBSD driver for the card, they explain why their performance is so poor compared to other cards: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/pci/if_rl.c?rev=1.56content-t ype=text/x-cvsweb-markuponly_with_tag=HEAD Sure, the cards work, but unless you're really really really short on money I'd suggest staying clear of them (you can get NatSemi chipset cards as cheaply anyway... or an e100pro off eBay...). -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail:ciaranm at gentoo.org Web: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Buying a new NIC
Hi, Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Avoid the 3Com SOHO. A 3Com 3c905 an Intel EtherExpress or, even a Realtek 8139 will do. - Original Message - From: Scharf Yuval [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: [gentoo-user] Buying a new NIC Hi, Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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realtek 8139 is talked bad about, by alot ppl, but mine works perfect! On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 19:42, Jaime Diaz wrote: Avoid the 3Com SOHO. A 3Com 3c905 an Intel EtherExpress or, even a Realtek 8139 will do. - Original Message - From: Scharf Yuval [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: [gentoo-user] Buying a new NIC Hi, Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Linux supports most NICs out of the box. However, I've heard that some drivers are better than others. In particular, I believe that 3Com, Intel, DEC, Realtek, etc. are really well supported and have good drivers. For up to 100 MBPS, I personally prefer the Linksys LNE 100TX, which is an inexpensive 10/100 card based on the DEC Tulip chip, and with which I have had very good results over the last couple of years (I've bought over a dozen of them in that time, many of which have gone into public web and FTP servers and heavily used file servers, with no complaints to date). If you're doing gigabyte speed Ethernet, stick to Intel - you can't go wrong. HTH, Krishnan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Realistically, any NIC you pick up off the shelf is more than likely going to work with Linux. If you want to keep it simple, just make sure it's NE2000 compatible. Doug Gorley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scharf Yuval wrote: Hi, Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:37:12 +0200 (IST) Scharf Yuval [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). | | My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in | Linux? Most NICs work fine. A few really cheap no-name ones don't (only NIC I've had serious problems with is a Belkin one). Your best bet is to go for an Intel e100 chipset NIC, because they definitely work well and they're good cards (hardware checksumming and so on). Natsemi (used in Netgear cards amongst others) and modern 3com (avoid the old ones, a few are wierd) chipsets are also reasonable. Realtek will work, but the performance is rather sucky if your PCI bus is under load (aah, I just know that at least one person will flame me for saying that -- the chipset works, it's just not very smart). If in doubt, do a make menuconfig and have a read :) -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail:ciaranm at gentoo.org Web: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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I don't have one, but two 8139 in a box working perfectly as an Internet Gateway. Never had a problem. - Original Message - From: Redeeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gentoo Maillinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Buying a new NIC realtek 8139 is talked bad about, by alot ppl, but mine works perfect! On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 19:42, Jaime Diaz wrote: Avoid the 3Com SOHO. A 3Com 3c905 an Intel EtherExpress or, even a Realtek 8139 will do. - Original Message - From: Scharf Yuval [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: [gentoo-user] Buying a new NIC Hi, Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? Yuval Scharf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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yeah, i'm a strong believer in the Linksys LNE100TX cards tooi put them in all my computers that dont have ethernet built into the motherboards. Relatively inexpensive and very reliable. I run mine in full duplex at 100mbps, and never have any issues. Brendan On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 12:52, S. Krishnan wrote: Linux supports most NICs out of the box. However, I've heard that some drivers are better than others. In particular, I believe that 3Com, Intel, DEC, Realtek, etc. are really well supported and have good drivers. For up to 100 MBPS, I personally prefer the Linksys LNE 100TX, which is an inexpensive 10/100 card based on the DEC Tulip chip, and with which I have had very good results over the last couple of years (I've bought over a dozen of them in that time, many of which have gone into public web and FTP servers and heavily used file servers, with no complaints to date). If you're doing gigabyte speed Ethernet, stick to Intel - you can't go wrong. HTH, Krishnan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Brendan Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? I have several Netgear FA-310TX 10/100bT ethernet cards and they've worked great. :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:03:33 -0800 Jonathan Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? I have several Netgear FA-310TX 10/100bT ethernet cards and they've worked great. :) Ditto here. BTW these are tulip cards. -- Collins - Denver Area Gentoo stable plus kernel 2.6.1-mm2 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Redeeman wrote: realtek 8139 is talked bad about, by alot ppl, but mine works perfect! On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 19:42, Jaime Diaz wrote: I use realtek's in my PC's, but be warned. Over 2 years, I've had 5 fail (over 3 PC's)! They just die, and then the system wont power on again with them plugged in. The only reason I stick with them is because I can get them for dirt cheap. Performance wise they seem good. Linux support has been flawless too. Daniel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Jan 14, 2004, at 6:37 pm, Scharf Yuval wrote: Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? Many cheap 100mbps cards are based on the Realtek 8139 (*makes sign of the Holy chipset*), which works fine using the 8139too driver. These are sold under many brandnames, so look for 8139 stamped on the largest chip on the card. if it's there then you'll be alright. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 13:06, Stroller wrote: On Jan 14, 2004, at 6:37 pm, Scharf Yuval wrote: Tomorrow I'll buy a new NIC (I'm tired of USB-ADSL). My question is can I buy whatever NIC I want or some NICs will not in Linux? I have found that the Linksys cards use the tulip driver, and personnaly they have poorer 100Mbps usability than the D-link (8139too) cards I have. The big problem with the linksys was needing short cable length for it to work without forcing 10Mbps speed. Many cheap 100mbps cards are based on the Realtek 8139 (*makes sign of the Holy chipset*), which works fine using the 8139too driver. These are sold under many brandnames, so look for 8139 stamped on the largest chip on the card. if it's there then you'll be alright. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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I also use Linksys LNE100TX cards too for almost four years. Very happy. How do I found out if I run mine in full duplex at 100mbps ??? Regards. Al -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 08:04:33PM -0500, Al Raq wrote: I also use Linksys LNE100TX cards too for almost four years. Very happy. How do I found out if I run mine in full duplex at 100mbps ??? Regards. Al Try emerge mii-diag mii-diag eth0 - richard -- Richard Kilgore [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
