Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
Hello ! First of all, this is my first post on this list. I'm a french gentoo user since the 1.4 RC4 pre-release and so far, i had been lucky enough to evolve without any serious issue : Gentoo is really a great distrib, probably the cleanier i used ;-) In short, i'm a software engineer in a small company, and i'm using GNU/Linux systems since around 1997. Currently, i spend a great deal of time setting up misterhouse (a home automation project) on my gentoo box. I'm also greatly interested in gentoo-doc and as many of us, i really could benefit of more than 24h a day :-) Now i bothered you enough with my personal life, back to the subject. daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: why bother with the stripping? why not have the mailserver reject html mail (or mail with no word wrap) and respond with a form letter explaining how to fix this stuff. I think this could be a good solution, but is it worth the effort ? I really don't think implementation is the right answer to each problem. In this particular case, a short reminder of the rules now and then should be enough. This seems to be more a lack of knowledge than a technical issue, isn't it ? This is my guess that those posters just relied on their own common sense to write their mail. But common sense is obviously not common to every culture. This is what the netiquette[1] is for :) So my opinion is that when a poster forgets to word wrap his mail or when he uses html, we should just send him a private answer (or, like the original poster, a public one) explaining why he do it the wrong way. Having received several polite requests to pay attention, i think he would then consider spending more time on writing his mails. This is not an irc channel after all : we do have time to write ;-) Just my opinion, anyway. it would be nice though if clients like kmail were capable of choosing multiple default mail formats based on the recipient or something. You can achieve this using bbdb (the Big Brother DataBase). I don't know if kmail can talk with it, though. Best regards, Pierre-François Gomez [1] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html -- Hi, I am a .signature virus. Please copy me into your ~/.signature and send me to all your contacts. After a month or so log in as root and do a rm / -rf. Or ask your administrator to do so... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
Evolution can do that! just check the box 'wants to recieve HTML mail' in a contact. I don't know about kmail, but I used it for years (and my wife still uses it), it can be trivially set up to send text Emails by default... On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 19:05, Hall Stevenson wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:59, daniel wrote: On November 6, 2003 10:32 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: I don't know if it's possible for the list-server to handle either of these cases. Stripping HTML messages into text seems possible, but at what overhead cost ?? it would be nice though if clients like kmail were capable of choosing multiple default mail formats based on the recipient or something. ie. if i'm sending a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED], then the format goes to plain text (or at least gives a warning if html is on) and for [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would default to html... it could be integrated into the address book or something. Heh, at least Outlook Express can do that !! Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- __ Guy Van Sanden http://unixmafia.port5.com Registered Linux user #249404 - September 1997 __ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
At 08:24 AM 11/7/2003, you wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 19:05, Hall Stevenson wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:59, daniel wrote: On November 6, 2003 10:32 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: I don't know if it's possible for the list-server to handle either of these cases. Stripping HTML messages into text seems possible, but at what overhead cost ?? it would be nice though if clients like kmail were capable of choosing multiple default mail formats based on the recipient or something. ie. if i'm sending a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED], then the format goes to plain text (or at least gives a warning if html is on) and for [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would default to html... it could be integrated into the address book or something. Heh, at least Outlook Express can do that !! Evolution can do that! just check the box 'wants to recieve HTML mail' in a contact. I don't know about kmail, but I used it for years (and my wife still uses it), it can be trivially set up to send text Emails by default... I realize I said Outlook Express, but having recently switched to Evolution, from what I've seen so far, it does anything/everything that Outlook does. I used Outlook (in an Exchange environment) for years... Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
It actually missed the 'random crash' feature, Oh and the MS creative Mime implementation :-) On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 14:40, Hall Stevenson wrote: At 08:24 AM 11/7/2003, you wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 19:05, Hall Stevenson wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:59, daniel wrote: On November 6, 2003 10:32 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: I don't know if it's possible for the list-server to handle either of these cases. Stripping HTML messages into text seems possible, but at what overhead cost ?? it would be nice though if clients like kmail were capable of choosing multiple default mail formats based on the recipient or something. ie. if i'm sending a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED], then the format goes to plain text (or at least gives a warning if html is on) and for [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would default to html... it could be integrated into the address book or something. Heh, at least Outlook Express can do that !! Evolution can do that! just check the box 'wants to recieve HTML mail' in a contact. I don't know about kmail, but I used it for years (and my wife still uses it), it can be trivially set up to send text Emails by default... I realize I said Outlook Express, but having recently switched to Evolution, from what I've seen so far, it does anything/everything that Outlook does. I used Outlook (in an Exchange environment) for years... Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- __ Guy Van Sanden http://unixmafia.port5.com Registered Linux user #249404 - September 1997 __ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:01:51 +0100 Guy Van Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It actually missed the 'random crash' feature, Oh and the MS creative Mime implementation :-) Yes, and I really miss g the 'you're totally hosed' feature when the admins have to restore the server from a backup sometime last week! The day to day excitement over viruses is also tough to live without. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
It would be really nice if everyone on this list would use the word wrap feature of their e-mail program, and also not send their e-mails in html. This list has been fairly nice about it, but in most linux lists they will take your heads off if you send stuff without these. Thanks -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
At 10:11 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: It would be really nice if everyone on this list would use the word wrap feature of their e-mail program, and also not send their e-mails in html. This list has been fairly nice about it, but in most linux lists they will take your heads off if you send stuff without these. You'll never get people to voluntarily conform to this. For one, many simply don't have a clue what you're referring to. Their OutlookExpress-using friends haven't complained, so they must not be doing anything wrong. Surely KMail can be set up to properly handle messages like this. I used to use Mutt and it did. Two config file options dealt with html-formatted messages and non-wrapped lines: text/html; lynx -dump %s ; copiousoutput set smart_wrap I don't know if it's possible for the list-server to handle either of these cases. Stripping HTML messages into text seems possible, but at what overhead cost ?? Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:32:52 -0800, Hall Stevenson muttered: ...I used to use Mutt and it did. Two config file options dealt with html-formatted messages and non-wrapped lines: text/html; lynx -dump %s ; copiousoutput set smart_wrap Hmm... where do you put the text/html line? Stuffing it into .muttrc doesn't work for me... -- Andrew Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 07:47:00AM -0800, Andrew Farmer wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:32:52 -0800, Hall Stevenson muttered: ...I used to use Mutt and it did. Two config file options dealt with html-formatted messages and non-wrapped lines: text/html; lynx -dump %s ; copiousoutput set smart_wrap Hmm... where do you put the text/html line? Stuffing it into .muttrc doesn't work for me... 1st line: .mailcap 2nd line: .muttrc Thomas pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
On November 6, 2003 10:32 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: I don't know if it's possible for the list-server to handle either of these cases. Stripping HTML messages into text seems possible, but at what overhead cost ?? why bother with the stripping? why not have the mailserver reject html mail (or mail with no word wrap) and respond with a form letter explaining how to fix this stuff. it would be nice though if clients like kmail were capable of choosing multiple default mail formats based on the recipient or something. ie. if i'm sending a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED], then the format goes to plain text (or at least gives a warning if html is on) and for [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would default to html... it could be integrated into the address book or something. -- ...he who in dealing with the empire loves his subjects as one should love one's body is the best person to whom one can commit the empire. - lau tzu, tao te ching: chapter xiii -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Word wrap non-html
On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 18:59, daniel wrote: On November 6, 2003 10:32 am, Hall Stevenson wrote: I don't know if it's possible for the list-server to handle either of these cases. Stripping HTML messages into text seems possible, but at what overhead cost ?? it would be nice though if clients like kmail were capable of choosing multiple default mail formats based on the recipient or something. ie. if i'm sending a letter to [EMAIL PROTECTED], then the format goes to plain text (or at least gives a warning if html is on) and for [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would default to html... it could be integrated into the address book or something. Heh, at least Outlook Express can do that !! Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
