RE: [gentoo-user] Well, my RAID array is screwed (was df != fdisk )

2003-08-14 Thread Rex Young

>
>Agreed.  I have three systems right now that are fully RAIDed, one a
>high use server, a personal server, and my personal workstation, all of
>which use software raid, one of which uses a PCI-IDE card (promise
>tx-2000 or something) to add the extra channels that are needed.

I use one of Promise's cheaper controllers to add a few channels and
it works flawlessly.

>
>Not noticably.  The hdparm numbers are a bit lower than say, RAID0
>(obviously) but faster than each drive individually.  I haven't noticed
>any processor lag on either system I have that uses RAID5.
>
Thanks.  I'll proceed on the assumption that I won't have any problems
and order my drives sometime in the next couple of weeks.


-rex

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Re: [gentoo-user] Well, my RAID array is screwed (was df != fdisk)

2003-08-14 Thread Eric Livingston
> Note that the TX4 "RAID" card, is essentially a *software* raid card
> (i.e. glorified IDE controller). There is very few true IDE raid card
> with support under linux. 3ware and ARCO DupliDisk are the only ones.
> http://www.linux-ide.org/chipsets.html
>
> -Ross

Do you mean by that that the pdcraid kernel module is doing the RAID work,
as opposed to a chip on the card?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Well, my RAID array is screwed (was df != fdisk)

2003-08-14 Thread Ross Jordan
> 
> > Note that the TX4 "RAID" card, is essentially a *software* raid card
> > (i.e. glorified IDE controller). There is very few true IDE raid card
> > with support under linux. 3ware and ARCO DupliDisk are the only ones.
> > http://www.linux-ide.org/chipsets.html
> >
> > -Ross
> 
> Do you mean by that that the pdcraid kernel module is doing the RAID work,
> as opposed to a chip on the card?

Yes.

-Ross


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RE: [gentoo-user] Well, my RAID array is screwed (was df != fdisk)

2003-08-14 Thread Rex Young

>It turns out that for some reason mkreiserfs only allocated 
>60G on my 120G
>Raid array. I rebooted on my 1.4 LiveCD and attempted to 
>debug_reiserfs my
>array, but wound up getting a screen full of I/O errors on one 
>of my drives
>(the first one of the array). I suspect it's not actually the 
>drive, but the
>driver that's at fault.
>
>In any case, I'm completely fed up with the Promise driver and 
>the ataraid
>functionality (or lack thereof) in the kernel. hdparm can't 
>read the array,
>mkreiserfs can't seem to make use of more than one drive's 
>worth of space,
>etc. It's a disaster. After spending weeks of calendar time 
>and dozens of
>hours trying to get it all to work, I'm backing off.
>
>I think I can tell the TX4 RAID card to not bother with an 
>array and just
>run the 4 drives as independent, normal drives. Hopefully that 
>will allow
>the kernel to better deal with them. Then, I'll attempt to use evms to
>cobble them together into a software RAID 5 configuration.
>
>My only regret is that I'll no longer be using the RAID card 
>to its full
>extent. However, I've also read some interesting opinions that 
>talk about
>how a low-end RAID card (such as the tx4) can be a bottleneck 
>on higher-end
>systems. Mine's a dual-mp 1.4Ghz (1600+) configuration. Such 
>opinions say
>that on such a multi-processor, relatively fast system 
>software RAID can
>actually be *faster* than relying on a card such as the tx4. I 
>hope that's
>true!
>
>Eric
I've had good luck with Linux software raid arrays.  It's so
durn easy, I don't see any reason to bother with the low end
RAID cards.  (The more expensive cards can offer advantages
not otherwise available.)

I would wonder about a software RAID 5 array, however.  Doesn't
RAID 5 involve a fairly robust algorithm that might drag the
processor down a bit?  I don't really know and am somewhat curious
about this, as I have been considering the same thing on a
file server.

-rex

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Re: [gentoo-user] Well, my RAID array is screwed (was df != fdisk)

2003-08-14 Thread Ross Jordan
> My only regret is that I'll no longer be using the RAID card to its full
> extent. However, I've also read some interesting opinions that talk about
> how a low-end RAID card (such as the tx4) can be a bottleneck on higher-end
> systems. Mine's a dual-mp 1.4Ghz (1600+) configuration. Such opinions say
> that on such a multi-processor, relatively fast system software RAID can
> actually be *faster* than relying on a card such as the tx4. I hope that's
> true!

Note that the TX4 "RAID" card, is essentially a *software* raid card
(i.e. glorified IDE controller). There is very few true IDE raid card
with support under linux. 3ware and ARCO DupliDisk are the only ones.
http://www.linux-ide.org/chipsets.html

-Ross

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Re: [gentoo-user] Well, my RAID array is screwed (was df != fdisk )

2003-08-14 Thread Alan
> I've had good luck with Linux software raid arrays.  It's so
> durn easy, I don't see any reason to bother with the low end
> RAID cards.  (The more expensive cards can offer advantages
> not otherwise available.)

Agreed.  I have three systems right now that are fully RAIDed, one a
high use server, a personal server, and my personal workstation, all of
which use software raid, one of which uses a PCI-IDE card (promise
tx-2000 or something) to add the extra channels that are needed.

> I would wonder about a software RAID 5 array, however.  Doesn't
> RAID 5 involve a fairly robust algorithm that might drag the
> processor down a bit?  I don't really know and am somewhat curious
> about this, as I have been considering the same thing on a
> file server.

Not noticably.  The hdparm numbers are a bit lower than say, RAID0
(obviously) but faster than each drive individually.  I haven't noticed
any processor lag on either system I have that uses RAID5.

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