Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Graham Murray]

Iain Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Why don't you have two terminals going - one doing -f, and the other
> compiling it for real.  They will wait nicely for each other.  At least
> then you'll get the compile going while you wait for the next download.

Or set FEATURES="parallel-fetch" in /etc/make.conf
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[gentoo-user] Re: "loopback mount" hard-drive image created with dd?

[Remy Blank]

Yahya Mohammad wrote:

# losetup /dev/loop0 /path/to/diskimage
# fdisk -l /dev/loop0
(example)
Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *   11044 8385898+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
/dev/sdb21045   19457   147902422+  83  Linux


Thanks for the tip! I didn't know you could mount a whole disk image as 
loopback, and see the partition table with fdisk. I always printed the 
partition table before making the disk image.



I second that, I'm curious to know if it works


It does, I have done it before, but there's a special case for the first 
partition of the disk. According to your output of fdisk, it is supposed 
to start at cylinder 1. However, if you run fdisk with the -u option 
(giving the positions and sizes in sectors), you get the following:


(example)
# fdisk -lu /dev/loop0

Disk /dev/loop0: 10.0 GB, 10056130560 bytes
240 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1299 cylinders, total 19640880 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xc1afc1af

  Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/loop0p1   *  63 4097519 2048728+   b  W95 FAT32
/dev/loop0p2 4097520 8195039 20487605  Extended
/dev/loop0p5 4097583 8195039 2048728+   b  W95 FAT32

That is, the first partition starts at sector 63, i.e. at an offset 
value of 63 * 512 = 32256.



oh, and make a backup just in case :)


And mount the filesystem read-only with the "ro" mount option.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package, and
> compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is the sum
> of the individual downloads and compiles.

Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
>
>   
>> not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package, and
>> compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is the sum
>> of the individual downloads and compiles.
>> 
>
> Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES.
>
>
>   

That's what I have turned on, just in case.  I try to keep the modem
going all the time.  It's not like it is going to "over heat" or
anything.  LOL

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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[gentoo-user] media-sound/audacious-1.4.5 failed

[ezotrank]

steners.c:23:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included from plugin.h:46,
 from input.h:31,
 from ui_equalizer.c:43:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included from plugin.h:46,
 from ui_fileinfo.c:42:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included from plugin.h:46,
 from input.h:31,
 from ui_fileopener.c:26:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included
from /usr/X11R6/include/audacious/plugin.h:46, from playlist.h:61,
 from playback.h:28,
 from ui_main_evlisteners.c:25:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included
from /usr/X11R6/include/audacious/plugin.h:46, from playlist.h:61,
 from ui_playlist.h:29,
 from ui_playlist.c:26:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included
from /usr/X11R6/include/audacious/plugin.h:46, from playlist.h:61,
 from ui_playlist.h:29,
 from ui_playlist_manager.c:21:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included from plugin.h:46,
 from ui_preferences.c:43:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included
from /usr/X11R6/include/audacious/plugin.h:46, from util.h:40,
 from ui_skinned_button.c:22:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included
from /usr/X11R6/include/audacious/plugin.h:46, from util.h:40,
 from ui_skinned_equalizer_slider.c:26:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included
from /usr/X11R6/include/audacious/plugin.h:46, from util.h:40,
 from ui_urlopener.c:31:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included
from /usr/X11R6/include/audacious/plugin.h:46, from util.h:40,
 from util.c:31:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included from plugin.h:46,
 from output.h:31,
 from flow.h:26,
 from visualization.h:29,
 from visualization.c:26:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included from plugin.h:46,
 from output.h:31,
 from volumecontrol.c:23:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory In file included
from /usr/X11R6/include/audacious/plugin.h:46, from xconvert.c:27:
/usr/X11R6/include/audacious/main.h:30:22: error: ui_main.h: No such
file or directory Failed to generate dependencies!
make[5]: *** [depend] Error 1
make[4]: *** [all] Error 1
make[3]: *** [subdirs] Error 1
make[2]: *** [all] Error 1
make[1]: *** [subdirs] Error 1
make: *** [all] Error 1
 *
 * ERROR: media-sound/audacious-1.4.5 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *   ebuild.sh, line   46:  Called src_compile
 * environment, line 2315:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *   emake || diefunc "$FUNCNAME" "$LINENO" "$?" "make failed"
 *  The die message:
 *   make failed
 *
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call
stack if relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at
'/var/log/portage/media-sound:audacious-1.4.5:20080121-103018.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/audacious-1.4.5/temp/environment'. *

 * Messages for package media-sound/audacious-1.4.5:

 *
 * ERROR: media-sound/audacious-1.4.5 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *   ebuild.sh, line   46:  Called src_compile
 * environment, line 2315:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *   emake || diefunc "$FUNCNAME" "$LINENO" "$?" "make failed"
 *  The die message:
 *   make failed
 *
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call
stack if relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at
'/var/log/portage/media-sound:audacious-1.4.5:20080121-103018.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/audacious-1.4.5/temp/environment'. *

What I need do to emerge this player?
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[gentoo-user] Headlines on packages RSS feed gone?

[Holger Hoffstaette]

Hi,

I subscribe to the p.g.o RSS feed via RSSOwl. Everything worked fine
until a few days ago, when suddenly the headlines disappeared - now every
feed entry has "No Title". Anybody else seeing this? I searched b.g.o for
a bug but didn't find anything.

any clues appreciated,
Holger


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dave Oxley]

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I've got KDE4 installed and running mostly fine. It loses some 
configuration on a log off and on and it shows 2 batteries rather than 
the 1 which is the only one the laptop has! But other than that switched 
to it by default now. How do I prevent a --depclean from trying to 
delete my KDE 3.5 though?


Cheers,
Dave.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 21 January 2008, Dave Oxley wrote:
> I've got KDE4 installed and running mostly fine. It loses some
> configuration on a log off and on and it shows 2 batteries rather than
> the 1 which is the only one the laptop has! But other than that switched
> to it by default now. 

For me, kmail does not appear in the apps launcher (other 3.5.8 apps do) nor 
can I start it with krunner. Konsole crashes on startup.

No such problems on your side?

Uwe 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:33:07 +1100, Dave Oxley wrote:

> How do I prevent a --depclean from trying to delete my KDE 3.5 though?

grep '^kde-base' /var/lib/portage/world | sed 's/\(.*\)/~\1-3.5.8/' 
>>/var/lib/portage/world


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[pu stshine]

Hi,everyone,I wanted to install KDE4 and meet a problem like this
:
 emerge kde

Linking CXX shared module ../../../../lib/kcm_kwinoptions.so
[ 45%] Built target kcm_kwinoptions
make: *** [all] Error 2
 *
 * ERROR: kde-base/kdebase-4.0.0 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *  ebuild.sh, line 1701:  Called dyn_compile
 *  ebuild.sh, line 1039:  Called qa_call 'src_compile'
 *  ebuild.sh, line   44:  Called src_compile
 *   kdebase-4.0.0.ebuild, line  212:  Called kde4-base_src_compile
 *   kde4-base.eclass, line  298:  Called kde4-base_src_make
 *   kde4-base.eclass, line  345:  Called cmake-utils_src_make
 * cmake-utils.eclass, line  146:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *  emake "$@" || die "Make failed!"
 *  The die message:
 *   Make failed!
 *
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdebase-
4.0.0/temp/build.log'.

and I searched for a while and try emerge -D kde,but when emerging
kdenetwork:

/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/sharedlgimpl.h:52:
error: expected class-name before '{' token
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/sharedlgimpl.h:52:
warning: 'class ShareDlgImpl' has virtual functions but non-virtual
destructor
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/kcmsambaconf.h:157:
error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'KcmInterface' with no type
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/kcmsambaconf.h:157:
error: expected ';' before '*' token
/usr/kde/4.0/include/kcmodule.h:214: warning: 'virtual void
KCModule::load()' was hidden
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/kcmsambaconf.h:75:
warning:   by 'void KcmSambaConf::load(const QString&)'
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/kcmsambaconf.cpp:
In constructor 'KcmSambaConf::KcmSambaConf(const KComponentData&, QWidget*,
const char*)':



 * ERROR: kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0 failed.
 * Call stack:
 * ebuild.sh, line 1701:  Called dyn_compile
 * ebuild.sh, line 1039:  Called qa_call 'src_compile'
 * ebuild.sh, line   44:  Called src_compile
 *   kdenetwork-4.0.0.ebuild, line  113:  Called kde4-base_src_compile
 *  kde4-base.eclass, line  298:  Called kde4-base_src_make
 *  kde4-base.eclass, line  345:  Called cmake-utils_src_make
 *cmake-utils.eclass, line  146:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *  emake "$@" || die "Make failed!"
 *  The die message:
 *   Make failed!
 *
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-
4.0.0/temp/build.log'

Did anyone  meet problems like me?

Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED No ebuild for kdeartwork-colorschemes ??

[Eddie Mihalow Jr]

Alan McKinnon wrote:

On Sunday 20 January 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:


Solved.

I had the kde overlay in git enabled. Dependencies are now
calculated properly when the overlay is disabled.

Uh-huh! Yes, that explains it. Good luck there in building 4.0.0.


Currently on package 158 of 190, it's now 22:31 and the emerge started 
at 18:22. I seem to remember building 3.5.x from scratch progressed a 
whole lot slower. Maybe this need build system for kde4 really is a 
whole lot faster and easier.


My girlfriend says the build output looks pretty :-O


If I could make konsole of 4.0.0 not to crash on startup and kmail
from 3.5.8 to start at all in 4.0.0, I would immediately make 4.0.0
my default desktop. Without these two apps, I can not. :-(


Hmmm, konsole and kmail not running doesn't fill me with joy. This are 
probably the apps I use the most followed by konqueror, kopete and 
amarok :-(




The cmake system does seem to go a lot faster than the old way. Is anyone
on the list using kde4-svn? I'm using it on 2 machines-1 laptop and 1 
desktop.

I keep losing the taskbar on the desktop, but not on the laptop.

Thanks,

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Eddie Mihalow Jr]

Dale wrote:

Iain Buchanan wrote:


didn't you say aDSL was on the way?  May it speed to your line!

  


Yep, it is on the way.  I plan to surf for a week, NON STOP!!   Little
progress today.


Emerging (33 of 205) kde-base/libkonq-4.0.0 to /
Downloading

'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
--22:27:31-- 
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2

   => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
==> PASV ... done.==> RETR kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
Length: 4,032,455 (3.8M) (unauthoritative)

63% [==>   ] 2,549,928 
2.18K/sETA 12:55


Exiting on signal 2
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Could be worse I guess.  :/

Dale

:-)  :-) 
Dale, are you still getting ATT/Bellsouth? If so I have 3 modems that 
work-(as a back-up) that

I'll send to you as a back-up.
Let me know if you need any cd's or stuff and I''l send them to you.
I live close to you in NOLA.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Montag, 21. Januar 2008, Dave Oxley wrote:
> I've got KDE4 installed and running mostly fine. It loses some
> configuration on a log off and on and it shows 2 batteries rather than
> the 1 which is the only one the laptop has! But other than that switched
> to it by default now. How do I prevent a --depclean from trying to
> delete my KDE 3.5 though?

I don't know what you are doing wrong - but depclean does not want to remove 
kde-3.5.

Kde3.5 and 4 are slotted - so no reason to depclean:
 These are the packages that would be unmerged:

 kde-base/kmail
selected: 3.97.0
   protected: none
 omitted: none

 kde-base/korganizer
selected: 3.97.0
   protected: none
 omitted: none

 kde-base/lisa
selected: 3.97.0
   protected: none
 omitted: 3.5.8
.
.
.
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Re: [gentoo-user] No kernel boot after inserting more ram

[José Pedro Saraiva]

On Jan 20, 2008 10:43 PM, Thomas Kahle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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>
> I guess your kernel is configured to support only 1GB of RAM. In the
> kernel configuration look for "Processor Type and Features"
> There you find the Option. High Memory Support.
> Probably it is set to "off". Set it to 4GB then recompile the kernel.
> That should do it.

That was already suggested in a previous reply :)
I do have High Memory Support enabled with 4GB, still, it refuses to boot!

>
>
> have fun
> Tom
>
> José Pedro Saraiva wrote:
> > Well, after all kinds of tests and trying different types of memory
> > configurations, I can only conclude that my kernel boots normally with 1
> > GB of RAM installed but hangs when I have 2 GB of RAM installed. I can't
> > find a logical reason for this to happen.
> >
> > Any pointers or suggestions are welcome,
> > Regards
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2008 11:31 PM, José Pedro Saraiva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Following your replies I've done the following, in an attempt to
> > isolate the problem:
> > (memory #1 - "old" memory, memory #2 - new memory)
> >
> > - Runned memtest on both memories with 0 errors
> > - Booted with both memories... kernel hang
> > - Booted with memory #1 on slot #1 successfully
> > - Booted with memory #1 on slot #2 successfully
> > - Booted with memory #2 on slot #1 successfully
> > - Booted with memory #2 on slot #2 successfully
> > - Booted with both memories on windows successfully
> >
> > For some reason, my kernel hangs if I have 2 GB of RAM installed.
> > And I do have High memory support (4GB), although that doesn't seem
> > relevant.
> > Ideas? :X
> >
> > Thank you all for the quick replies.
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2008 2:29 PM, Hal Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > An alternative to running memtest (which is quite easy to do, I
> > might
> > add) would be to remove the original RAM and see if the computer
> > boots
> > with the new RAM only.
> >
> > Alternatively, you could just run memtest, as it is included
> > with many
> > BIOSs now. It doesn't take long to identify problems, if there
> > are any.
> > I find that test #5 is the best test for finding problems,
> > however it
> > tends to keep you in the dark until it's finished the test.
> >
> >
> > -Hal
> >
> >
> > Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > > On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:58:59 +, José Pedro Saraiva wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the RAM,
> > >>
> > >
> > > How? Have you run memtest?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [gentoo-user] Via vb70001 mini-itx vrs Gentoo

[Drew]

> It's got nothing to do with RAM timings and everything to do with the
> fact that VIA couldn't care less about Linux users. One thing I have
> learned in th last few months is don't touch VIA with a bargepole.  My
> VIA-based laptop went in the bin and I am now enjoying the luxury of an
> Intel-based laptop with nVidia graphics. :)

I'd agree with you for motherboards but not the mini-ITX all-in-one
boards. I bought a used SP13000G (CN400 based) before Christmas to use
as a (nearly) silent front end for MythTV and it's been rock solid.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Iain Buchanan wrote:
>>>
>>> didn't you say aDSL was on the way?  May it speed to your line!
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> Yep, it is on the way.  I plan to surf for a week, NON STOP!!   Little
>> progress today.
>>
> Emerging (33 of 205) kde-base/libkonq-4.0.0 to /
> Downloading
>> 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
>> --22:27:31--
>> ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2
>>=> `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
>> Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
>> Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
>> Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
>> ==> SYST ... done.==> PWD ... done.
>> ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
>> ==> PASV ... done.==> RETR kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
>> Length: 4,032,455 (3.8M) (unauthoritative)
>>
>> 63% [==>   ]
>> 2,549,928 2.18K/sETA 12:55
>>
>> Exiting on signal 2
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>>
>> Could be worse I guess.  :/
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
> Dale, are you still getting ATT/Bellsouth? If so I have 3 modems that
> work-(as a back-up) that
> I'll send to you as a back-up.
> Let me know if you need any cd's or stuff and I''l send them to you.
> I live close to you in NOLA.
>
>

I got a friend that is going to let me "borrow" his until I can get
one.  I don't want to get a contract on the DSL so I don't want to get
one from AT&T.  I did check on Ebay tho.  Interested in selling one of
yours?  No idea how much one costs really.  I'm sure AT&T wants a arm
and a leg for one tho.

A little more progress last night, all night.  LOL

>>> Emerging (39 of 209) kde-base/kdebase-data-4.0.0 to /
>>> Resuming download...
>>> Downloading
'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
--05:46:32-- 
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2
   => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
==> SIZE kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
==> PASV ... done.==> REST 7883580 ... done.
==> RETR kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
Length: 48,097,008 (46M), 40,213,428 (38M) remaining

79% [+===> ]
38,032,388 3.42K/s  ETA 1:28:03

Exiting on signal 2
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I think it is only a couple big ones left.  May start the compile before
to long.  :-) 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Eddie Mihalow Jr]

Dale wrote:

Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:

Dale wrote:

Iain Buchanan wrote:

didn't you say aDSL was on the way?  May it speed to your line!

  

Yep, it is on the way.  I plan to surf for a week, NON STOP!!   Little
progress today.


Emerging (33 of 205) kde-base/libkonq-4.0.0 to /
Downloading

'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
--22:27:31--
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2
   => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
==> PASV ... done.==> RETR kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
Length: 4,032,455 (3.8M) (unauthoritative)

63% [==>   ]
2,549,928 2.18K/sETA 12:55

Exiting on signal 2
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Could be worse I guess.  :/

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Dale, are you still getting ATT/Bellsouth? If so I have 3 modems that
work-(as a back-up) that
I'll send to you as a back-up.
Let me know if you need any cd's or stuff and I''l send them to you.
I live close to you in NOLA.




I got a friend that is going to let me "borrow" his until I can get
one.  I don't want to get a contract on the DSL so I don't want to get
one from AT&T.  I did check on Ebay tho.  Interested in selling one of
yours?  No idea how much one costs really.  I'm sure AT&T wants a arm
and a leg for one tho.

A little more progress last night, all night.  LOL


Emerging (39 of 209) kde-base/kdebase-data-4.0.0 to /
Resuming download...
Downloading

'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
--05:46:32-- 
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2

   => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
==> SIZE kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
==> PASV ... done.==> REST 7883580 ... done.
==> RETR kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
Length: 48,097,008 (46M), 40,213,428 (38M) remaining

79% [+===> ]
38,032,388 3.42K/s  ETA 1:28:03

Exiting on signal 2
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I think it is only a couple big ones left.  May start the compile before
to long.  :-) 


Dale

:-)  :-) 

I'll give you one, just contact me off list.

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[gentoo-user] Any one using www-apps/online-bookmarks

[reader]

I'm having a little trouble getting www-apps/online-bookmarks set up.

Near as I can tell there is literally no help installed when you
install this package A few readmes with a URL to an online help
site:
  http://www.frech.ch/online-bookmarks/installation.php

However, I'm not seeing the behavior described there and it appears
there is no other resource for getting started.

You are told to aim your browser at: 
  http://www.yourserver.com/online-bookmarks/

When I fill in my server I see a listing like one might see in a file
browser.  

The online site claims it will be linked to an install process but
that is true here.

Its a file listing of a bunch of php files but opening the install.php
does not lead to anything usefull... Instead you see a php text file
that doesn't really work as described.

I'm guessing something in the my php setup/config is not done right.

However I've done no config of php.  I just installed the
online-bookmarks/ which pulled in php stuff.  I didn't see messages
about configuring it. 

Anyone here using this package that can provide a few tips?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Any one using www-apps/online-bookmarks

[James Ausmus]

On Jan 21, 2008 11:16 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm having a little trouble getting www-apps/online-bookmarks set up.



> When I fill in my server I see a listing like one might see in a file
> browser.
>
> The online site claims it will be linked to an install process but
> that is true here.
>
> Its a file listing of a bunch of php files but opening the install.php
> does not lead to anything usefull... Instead you see a php text file
> that doesn't really work as described.


Haven't used online-bookmarks before myself, but it soulds like Apache
isn't configured properly for PHP scripts - try *adding* the following
to your /etc/conf.d/apache2 file in the APACHE2_OPTS line (inside the
double-quotes):
-D PHP -D PHP5

and then do:
/etc/init.d/apache2 stop && /etc/init.d/apache2 start
(I've found that sometimes a "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" tries to
start the apache2 processes again before the old processes have fully
closed out, so will sometimes error out...)


HTH-

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Re: [gentoo-user] Via vb70001 mini-itx vrs Gentoo

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:24:20 -0800, Drew wrote:

> I'd agree with you for motherboards but not the mini-ITX all-in-one
> boards. I bought a used SP13000G (CN400 based) before Christmas to use
> as a (nearly) silent front end for MythTV and it's been rock solid.

Steer clear of the CN700 ones though, the openchrome drivers are very
unstable on mine.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Via vb70001 mini-itx vrs Gentoo

[Neil Walker]

Drew wrote:

I'd agree with you for motherboards but not the mini-ITX all-in-one
boards. I bought a used SP13000G (CN400 based) before Christmas to use
as a (nearly) silent front end for MythTV and it's been rock solid.
  


It's the newer chipsets that are the real problem - especially in regard 
to the graphics support. VIA have shown no real interest in this respect 
to Linux users. Somewhat surprising considering their drive to market 
their products in countries like Brazil. The Openchrome project is doing 
sterling work but progress is frustratingly slow. Fully working and 
stable video drivers for Linux are still a very long way away. :(


In general, I would have to say, if you run Linux, stay away from VIA.

Be lucky,

Neil




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[gentoo-user] RAM upgrade, kernel and swap

[Michael Higgins]

So, I just got 2 GB of RAM in the mail. Whoo hoo.

Before I pop these in, soliciting any thoughts about the following:

zcat /proc/config.gz |grep MEM
CONFIG_SHMEM=y
# CONFIG_TINY_SHMEM is not set
# CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set
CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
CONFIG_SELECT_MEMORY_MODEL=y
CONFIG_FLATMEM_MANUAL=y
# CONFIG_DISCONTIGMEM_MANUAL is not set
# CONFIG_SPARSEMEM_MANUAL is not set
CONFIG_FLATMEM=y
CONFIG_FLAT_NODE_MEM_MAP=y
# CONFIG_SPARSEMEM_STATIC is not set
CONFIG_ARCH_ENABLE_MEMORY_HOTPLUG=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UMEM is not set
# CONFIG_INPUT_FF_MEMLESS is not set
# CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM is not set
CONFIG_HAS_IOMEM=y


   NameFlags  Part Type  FS Type  [Label]
Size (MB)
--
hda1BootPrimary   Linux ext2
256.50 hda2Primary   Linux swap /
Solaris  1024.46 hda3Primary   Linux
ext3   21480.44 hda5Logical
Linux ReiserFS   28771.84 hda6
Logical   Linux ReiserFS   28493.15

IOW, do I need to/should I recompile my kernel or change partition
sizes?

Any thoughts appreciated.

Cheers,

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Re: [gentoo-user] Headlines on packages RSS feed gone?

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 12:06 +0100, Holger Hoffstaette wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I subscribe to the p.g.o RSS feed via RSSOwl. Everything worked fine
> until a few days ago, when suddenly the headlines disappeared - now every
> feed entry has "No Title". Anybody else seeing this? I searched b.g.o for
> a bug but didn't find anything.

I think there are some infra upgrades going on atm:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/54374

didn't see p.g.o there but maybe related.

cya,
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 09:09 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> > not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package, and
> > compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is the sum
> > of the individual downloads and compiles.
> 
> Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES.

last time I used parallel-fetch (a while ago) it looked different to
Dale's output though - I don't remember seeing the wget style
completion:
79% [+===> ]
but rather I see the message (just tried it out now)
Downloading 'jdk-6u4-dlj-linux-i586.bin'...
see /var/log/emerge-fetch.log for details.

hmm...
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Re: [gentoo-user] RAM upgrade, kernel and swap

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Montag, 21. Januar 2008, Michael Higgins wrote:
> So, I just got 2 GB of RAM in the mail. Whoo hoo.
>
> Before I pop these in, soliciting any thoughts about the following:
>
> zcat /proc/config.gz |grep MEM
> CONFIG_SHMEM=y
> # CONFIG_TINY_SHMEM is not set
> # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set
> CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
> # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
> CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
> CONFIG_SELECT_MEMORY_MODEL=y
> CONFIG_FLATMEM_MANUAL=y
> # CONFIG_DISCONTIGMEM_MANUAL is not set
> # CONFIG_SPARSEMEM_MANUAL is not set
> CONFIG_FLATMEM=y
> CONFIG_FLAT_NODE_MEM_MAP=y
> # CONFIG_SPARSEMEM_STATIC is not set
> CONFIG_ARCH_ENABLE_MEMORY_HOTPLUG=y
> # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UMEM is not set
> # CONFIG_INPUT_FF_MEMLESS is not set
> # CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM is not set
> CONFIG_HAS_IOMEM=y
>
>
>NameFlags  Part Type  FS Type  [Label]
> Size (MB)
> ---
>--- hda1BootPrimary   Linux ext2
> 256.50 hda2Primary   Linux swap /
> Solaris  1024.46 hda3Primary   Linux
> ext3   21480.44 hda5Logical
> Linux ReiserFS   28771.84 hda6
> Logical   Linux ReiserFS   28493.15
>
> IOW, do I need to/should I recompile my kernel or change partition
> sizes?

if you don't plan to try suspend-to-disk.
No

even if you plan to try suspend-to-disk it might work with a swapfile. So 
still no.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Any one using www-apps/online-bookmarks

[Jason Carson]

You may have to emerge php with the "apache2" USE flag if it still doesn't
work.

> On Jan 21, 2008 11:16 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm having a little trouble getting www-apps/online-bookmarks set up.
>
> 
>
>> When I fill in my server I see a listing like one might see in a file
>> browser.
>>
>> The online site claims it will be linked to an install process but
>> that is true here.
>>
>> Its a file listing of a bunch of php files but opening the install.php
>> does not lead to anything usefull... Instead you see a php text file
>> that doesn't really work as described.
>
>
> Haven't used online-bookmarks before myself, but it soulds like Apache
> isn't configured properly for PHP scripts - try *adding* the following
> to your /etc/conf.d/apache2 file in the APACHE2_OPTS line (inside the
> double-quotes):
> -D PHP -D PHP5
>
> and then do:
> /etc/init.d/apache2 stop && /etc/init.d/apache2 start
> (I've found that sometimes a "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" tries to
> start the apache2 processes again before the old processes have fully
> closed out, so will sometimes error out...)
>
>
> HTH-
>
> James
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Jerry McBride]

On Monday 21 January 2008 06:40:42 pm Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 09:09 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package,
> > > and compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is
> > > the sum of the individual downloads and compiles.
> >
> > Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES.
>
> last time I used parallel-fetch (a while ago) it looked different to
> Dale's output though - I don't remember seeing the wget style
> completion:
> 79% [+===> ]
> but rather I see the message (just tried it out now)
> Downloading 'jdk-6u4-dlj-linux-i586.bin'...
> see /var/log/emerge-fetch.log for details.
>
> hmm...
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>


What you are seeing is the result of a RESUMED download... Try grabbing a 
file, interrupt the download then follow up with fetching it again. You'll 
see the above


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Monday 21 January 2008 06:40:42 pm Iain Buchanan wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 09:09 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
>>>   
 not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package,
 and compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is
 the sum of the individual downloads and compiles.
 
>>> Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES.
>>>   
>> last time I used parallel-fetch (a while ago) it looked different to
>> Dale's output though - I don't remember seeing the wget style
>> completion:
>> 79% [+===> ]
>> but rather I see the message (just tried it out now)
>> Downloading 'jdk-6u4-dlj-linux-i586.bin'...
>> see /var/log/emerge-fetch.log for details.
>>
>> hmm...
>> --
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>>
>> 
>
>
> What you are seeing is the result of a RESUMED download... Try grabbing a 
> file, interrupt the download then follow up with fetching it again. You'll 
> see the above
>
>
>   

Yep, it was a resumed download.  If for example I started the emerge of
KDE, it would start to download and compile whatever it has downloaded
already.  However, if it comes to a package that has not been
downloaded, it will show the other thing that it is waiting on the
download to finish.  I almost always do a -f first.  This is so slow
that it can compile it way faster than it can download it.  Plus, I
can see how big it is and how much it has left to download.

I walked up to the phone box today, they been working on it some more. 
I saw a lot of wire insulation on the ground where they have been
hooking up wires.  < Dale says a prayer that it is soon >  I figure it
will be here shortly after I get KDE and OOo downloaded.  LOL

Dale

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[gentoo-user] building with off_t set as long long

[de Almeida, Valmor F.]

Hello,

Would anyone know whether it is possible to emerge a package setting
off_t as long long?

The particular case is the library gdbm. The default emerge sets off_t
to 4 bytes therefore file sizes can only be about 2GB. Setting off_t to
8 bytes would remove this constraint.

Thanks,

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Re: [gentoo-user] stuff accumulating in /tmp

[Erik]

Alan McKinnon skrev:
> On Sunday 20 January 2008, Philip Webb wrote:
>   
>> 080119 Kevin wrote:
>> 
>>> To automatically wipe /tmp upon reboot,
>>> change  WIPE_TMP  to "yes" in  /etc/conf.d/bootmisc
>>>   
>> Thanks: I will consider the implications.
>> 
> There aren't any implications. By *definition*, the contents of /tmp 
> should not be relied on to survive a reboot or even subsequent 
> invocations of the same program.
>   
What definition? What if there is a script that calls a program and
redirects the output to /tmp and then calls another program that uses
the ouput? Would that be wrong? Does the script count as a program or
each command separately? See this example:
cat $(find -name regexps) > /tmp/all_regexps
egrep -f /tmp/all_regexps some_file
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[gentoo-user] Re: Any one using www-apps/online-bookmarks

[reader]

"Jason Carson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> You may have to emerge php with the "apache2" USE flag if it still doesn't
> work.

When I emerged the bookmarks package it pulled in php and I see
apache2 was one of the useflags used.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Any one using www-apps/online-bookmarks

[reader]

"James Ausmus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Haven't used online-bookmarks before myself, but it soulds like Apache
> isn't configured properly for PHP scripts - try *adding* the following
> to your /etc/conf.d/apache2 file in the APACHE2_OPTS line (inside the
> double-quotes):
> -D PHP -D PHP5
>
> and then do:
> /etc/init.d/apache2 stop && /etc/init.d/apache2 start
> (I've found that sometimes a "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" tries to
> start the apache2 processes again before the old processes have fully
> closed out, so will sometimes error out...)

Thanks, I did get further along doing that.

I already had this in there:

APACHE2_OPTS="-D DEFAULT_VHOST -D INFO -D LANGUAGE -D SSL 
  -D SSL_DEFAULT_VHOST  -D PHP5"

So I just stuck in the -D PHP and restarted.

Now I see a real page as described in the documentation... However,
now I'm running into some kind of conf problem with mysql.

I haven't been using it for anything (although its been installed for
some time) so I may have to get that configured properly.

I left:
  Hostname: [localhost]
  username: [bookmarkmgr]
  Password: [left blank on first try]
  Database-Name [bookmarks]

That fails with:
  Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'bookmarks'

So I tried adding a passwd leaving the rest as is.. That failed with:
  Access denied for user 'bookmarkmgr'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

(YES was not what I inserted so I guess its just saying a passwd was used)

I'm not really sure what to do about mysql but at least it appears the
bookmark pkg is trying to work.

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Re: [gentoo-user] stuff accumulating in /tmp

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2008-01-22 at 04:35 +0100, Erik wrote:
> Alan McKinnon skrev:
> > On Sunday 20 January 2008, Philip Webb wrote:
> >   
> >> 080119 Kevin wrote:
> >> 
> >>> To automatically wipe /tmp upon reboot,
> >>> change  WIPE_TMP  to "yes" in  /etc/conf.d/bootmisc
> >>>   
> >> Thanks: I will consider the implications.
> >> 
> > There aren't any implications. By *definition*, the contents of /tmp 
> > should not be relied on to survive a reboot or even subsequent 
> > invocations of the same program.
> >   
> What definition? What if there is a script that calls a program and
> redirects the output to /tmp and then calls another program that uses
> the ouput? Would that be wrong? Does the script count as a program or
> each command separately? See this example:
> cat $(find -name regexps) > /tmp/all_regexps
> egrep -f /tmp/all_regexps some_file

FHS defines that /tmp should not be used to store anything between
reboots, but that /var/tmp should be used in this case.

POSIX defines that /tmp cannot be relied upon between successive
instances of the same program:

/tmp
 A directory made available for applications that need a place to create 
temporary files. Applications shall be allowed to create files in this 
directory, but shall not assume that such files are preserved between 
invocations of the application.

There is currently a looong discussion (flame?) going on about this on
gentoo-dev:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/54402

which quotes the appropriate "standards".

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[gentoo-user] LiveUSB

[Jason Dusek]

  I've recently created LiveUSB sticks from the Gentoo LiveDVD
  and LiveCD. (I'm trying to put Gentoo on an OQO.) It was
  pretty easy -- I was able to use ext3 even -- and I thought
  I'd share how I did that with everyone.

  The three steps are:

 .  Format the stick.
 .  Put the Gentoo stuff on there.
 .  Slap on the boot loader and configure it.

   Prepare The Stick
   -

  For the DVD, you need a big stick -- for the CD, not so much.
  Let's say the stick is at `/dev/sda`. Using fdisk, create one
  partition on it, marking it bootable. (That part is explained
  all over the place.) When that is over, run

mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1

  and then put the master boot record on the device:

cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin > /dev/sda


Copy The Gentoo Material


  Mount the ISO of your choice -- say it's at `/media/iso` --
  along with `/dev/sda1` at `/media/usb`. All you have to do is:

cp -pPR /media/iso/* /media/usb



Setup The Bootloader


  This is where my process differs from the tutorials for
  Gentoo. I lifted the idea from the Pentoo distribution (now
  defunct). You install the `extlinux` loader _to the directory_
  where the bootable stuff -- so it's okay to leave it all in
  isolinux.

cd /media
cp usb/isolinux/isolinux.cfg usb/isolinux/extlinux.conf
extlinux -i usb/isolinux

  There will be a `extlinux.sys` file in there along side the
  configuration file after you install.




  That's it. I wanted to go with ext3 so I could have links and
  a large filesystem -- FAT16 won't take more than 2GB -- and
  I'm glad this was so easy with Gentoo 2007.0! It's too bad
  the tutorials out there don't make it clear the progress that
  has been made in the last year. USB booting is great -- I will
  likely exploit the ease of 'remastering' my image to good
  effect when installing on my OQO -- and I hope this email
  helps others out there who are interested in the topic.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Any one using www-apps/online-bookmarks

[James Ausmus]

On Jan 21, 2008 7:49 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> So I tried adding a passwd leaving the rest as is.. That failed with:
>   Access denied for user 'bookmarkmgr'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
>
> (YES was not what I inserted so I guess its just saying a passwd was used)
>
> I'm not really sure what to do about mysql but at least it appears the
> bookmark pkg is trying to work.
>

OK, this one is easy to fix:

login in to MySQL as root:

mysql -uroot -p


In the MySQL console type the following commands:

create database bookmarks;
grant ALL on bookmarks.* to 'bookmarkmgr'@'localhost' identified by
'';
flush privileges;
quit

And then retry the bookmark setup.

HTH-

James
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Wayn0]

Dale wrote:
< Dale says a prayer that it is soon > 


I feel you pain I was on dial up for many years and until just two years 
ago!


After which I moved to the UK for a short time where I was suddenly 
paying the for 16mb uncapped as I was for my dial up!


I am back in South Africa now and using a 4mb line, but I will never 
forget my dial up days!


Good luck and I hope they get you set-up ASAP. :-)

Now back on topic, I have never really been a KDE users in the past.
I always stuck to openbox or GNOME. However there seems to be a lot of 
hype around the new KDE and I think I am gonna give it a go.


So yeah anybody in Johannesburg need the sources let me know, will be 
downloading them this evening.


Regards
Wayn0

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