Re: [gentoo-user] eina from e17 overlay

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 01 June 2009 01:33:04 Willie Wong wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:09:07PM +0200, Penguin Lover Alan McKinnon 
squawked:
> > test -z "/usr/lib64/eina/mp/" || /bin/mkdir -p "/var/tmp/portage/dev-
> > libs/eina-/image//usr/lib64/eina/mp/"
>
> ^^^
>
> >  /bin/sh ../../../../libtool   --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c
> > eina_chained_mempool.la '/var/tmp/portage/dev-
> > libs/eina-/image//usr/lib64/eina/mp/'
>
> 
>
> > libtool: install: error: cannot install `eina_chained_mempool.la' to a
> > directory not ending in /usr/lib64/eina/mp/
> > make[5]: *** [install-controllerLTLIBRARIES] Error 1
> >
> > Now this makes no sense at all. Where does one start to debug this?
> >
> > eina has been building just fine here for many months now, the error is
> > brand new.
>
> Is that your mailer doing funny things, or questionable cutting and
> pasting, or is there a stray new-line inserted somewhere there
> shouldn't be?

It's mailer wrapping - those two bits are all on one line in the output.

It's one of the weirdest install errors I've seen - the install is to the 
correct directory

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] irssi autosendcmd

[Matt Nordhoff]

Jacob Todd wrote:
> I'm having some trouble getting irssi to set my nick on two irc servers
> and then identify them. My current irssi config (just the important
> part)
> looks like this:

[snip configuration]

> My nick gets set and identified on irc.oftc.net, but not on freenode.
> Anyone know what could be going on here?

I don't know if this will help, but...

1.) The /network command has a -nick option; you shouldn't have to use
-autosendcmd to change your nick.

2.) FWIW, both Freenode and OFTC support alternate ways of identifying:
On Freenode you can use a server password, and on OFTC you can use a
client-side SSL cert:


-- 

[gentoo-user] irssi autosendcmd

[Jacob Todd]

I'm having some trouble getting irssi to set my nick on two irc servers
and then identify them. My current irssi config (just the important
part)
looks like this:


servers = (
  {
address = "irc.oftc.net";
chatnet = "oftc";
port = "6667";
use_ssl = "no";
autoconnect = "yes";
  },
  {
address = "irc.freenode.net";
chatnet = "freenode";
port = "6667";
use_ssl = "no";
autoconnect = "yes";
  }
);

chatnets = {
  oftc = { 
type = "IRC";
autosendcmd = "/^nick jt_;/^msg nickserv identify passwordlol";
  };
  freenode = {
type = "IRC";
autocendcmd = "/^nick dreadlorde;/^msg NickServ identify passwordlol";
  };
};

channels = (
  { name = "#suckless"; chatnet = "oftc"; autojoin = "yes"; },
  { name = "#awesome"; chatnet = "oftc"; autojoin = "yes"; },
  { name = "#gentoo"; chatnet = "freenode"; autojoin = "yes"; }
  { name = "#uzbl"; chatnet = "freenode"; autojoin = "yes"; }
);


My nick gets set and identified on irc.oftc.net, but not on freenode.
Anyone know what could be going on here?

-- 
Jake Todd
// If it isn't broke, tweak it!

[gentoo-user] upgrading gnome 2.24 to 2.26

[Yasin]

i just want to upgrade my gentoo gnome from 2.24 to 2.26 how to and what must i 
do ???


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[gentoo-user] Newbie Kernel question.

[James Homuth]

Appologies if the answer to this question's painfully obvious, but this is
my first local instalation of linux. I'm curious as to whether or not, when
using genkernel, one still needs to add hardware modules to
/etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6. Something's telling me no, since it
generates an initramfs and that's supposed to handle hardware detection, but
as this is my first time doing this I want to be sure. I'd of compiled the
kernel myself but I'm not entirely comfortable with doing that on this
system, as I don't know enough about it to do so. But, if anyone here can
provide me with that information, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you in
advance.

Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[Maxim Wexler]

On 5/31/09, Dirk Heinrichs  wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 21:38:59 schrieb Maxim Wexler:
>> Can somebody recommend an alternative, preferably non-debian;
>
> Did you try GRML? That's what I usually use.
>
> HTH...
>
>   Dirk

Well, it's debian. And uses the 2.6.18 kernel. How do you use it? It
must have wifi capability with a few simple commands. I don't have the
battery power to spin my wheels while I try to write some conf file I
know nothing about.

Maxim.

Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[Maxim Wexler]

> * rox-extra/roxiso
>  Available versions:  061007-r1
>  Homepage:http://kymatica.com/index.php/Software
>  Description: RoxISO. A graphical frontend to mkisofs and
> cdrecord.
>
>
> Does that make a iso file?

Drag and drop to the RoxISO gui.  It gives me errors wherever it finds
a busted link ie flashing white chars on a red bkground. I'm
discovering there are lots of them on my system. In weird far away
dirs where I've never been before. Eg /etc/ssl/certs. I dragged over
/boot and it complained it couldn't find menu.lst. So I deleted the
blinking link and tried again. This time it just flagged it with a red
stop sign icon and the word ERROR, no further explanation. So getting
rid of the busted link doesn't help ;(

Maxim

Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[Maxim Wexler]

Here's something, fireballiso. Anybody used this? Gentoo-like, but
it's not in portage.

On 5/31/09, Maxim Wexler  wrote:
>>
>> Of course, both the wired and wireless interfaces are now supported by
>> the
>> kernel, so the latest auto-build may be suitable.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Neil Bothwick
>
>
> Hmm, how difficult is it cobble together an iso out of these? Afterall
> we don't need CDs anymore. Some kind of script would be cool.
>
> Matter-of-fact I still have the tarballs from my present install and
> they're just a ~month old.
>
> Maybe if I google for isobuilder, say...
>
> Maxim
>

Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[Dale]

Maxim Wexler wrote:
>> Of course, both the wired and wireless interfaces are now supported by the
>> kernel, so the latest auto-build may be suitable.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Neil Bothwick
>> 
>
>
> Hmm, how difficult is it cobble together an iso out of these? Afterall
> we don't need CDs anymore. Some kind of script would be cool.
>
> Matter-of-fact I still have the tarballs from my present install and
> they're just a ~month old.
>
> Maybe if I google for isobuilder, say...
>
> Maxim
>
>
>   

Or try eix iso.  I found this:

* rox-extra/roxiso
 Available versions:  061007-r1
 Homepage:http://kymatica.com/index.php/Software
 Description: RoxISO. A graphical frontend to mkisofs and
cdrecord.


Does that make a iso file?

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[Maxim Wexler]

>
> Of course, both the wired and wireless interfaces are now supported by the
> kernel, so the latest auto-build may be suitable.
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick


Hmm, how difficult is it cobble together an iso out of these? Afterall
we don't need CDs anymore. Some kind of script would be cool.

Matter-of-fact I still have the tarballs from my present install and
they're just a ~month old.

Maybe if I google for isobuilder, say...

Maxim

Re: [gentoo-user] eina from e17 overlay

[Willie Wong]

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:09:07PM +0200, Penguin Lover Alan McKinnon squawked:
> test -z "/usr/lib64/eina/mp/" || /bin/mkdir -p "/var/tmp/portage/dev-
> libs/eina-/image//usr/lib64/eina/mp/"

^^^
>  /bin/sh ../../../../libtool   --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c   
> eina_chained_mempool.la '/var/tmp/portage/dev-
> libs/eina-/image//usr/lib64/eina/mp/'


> libtool: install: error: cannot install `eina_chained_mempool.la' to a 
> directory not ending in /usr/lib64/eina/mp/
> make[5]: *** [install-controllerLTLIBRARIES] Error 1
> 
> Now this makes no sense at all. Where does one start to debug this?
> 
> eina has been building just fine here for many months now, the error is brand 
> new.
> 

Is that your mailer doing funny things, or questionable cutting and
pasting, or is there a stray new-line inserted somewhere there
shouldn't be?

Other than that I have no idea.

W
-- 
"`My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland 
and a natural deficiency in moral fibre, and that I am 
therefore excused from saving Universes.'" 

- Ford's last ditch attempt to get out of helping 
Slartibartfast. 
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Sonntag 31 Mai 2009, Maxim Wexler wrote:
> Hi group,
>
> I was intending to use the 2008.0 live-install CD as a chroot platform
> on a 900A EEE. Gentoo refers to the 2008.0 series as 'deprecated'. For
> good reason: there's no ppp, no atheros wifi or eth0 support, BUT it
> has lvm2 which I need. This makes it much more difficult, since I
> cannot even connect to the PC let alone dial out or connect
> wirelessly.
>
> Can somebody recommend an alternative, preferably non-debian; I have
> had no success with several versions of that particular OS. Support
> for my wireless hardware is included but attempts to connect always
> lead to IIRC "no persistent database" errors, even on completely
> insecure networks.
>
> Maxim.

systemrescuecd

as bonus: it is gentoo based.

[gentoo-user] eina from e17 overlay

[Alan McKinnon]

test -z "/usr/lib64/eina/mp/" || /bin/mkdir -p "/var/tmp/portage/dev-
libs/eina-/image//usr/lib64/eina/mp/"
 /bin/sh ../../../../libtool   --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c   
eina_chained_mempool.la '/var/tmp/portage/dev-
libs/eina-/image//usr/lib64/eina/mp/'
libtool: install: error: cannot install `eina_chained_mempool.la' to a 
directory not ending in /usr/lib64/eina/mp/
make[5]: *** [install-controllerLTLIBRARIES] Error 1

Now this makes no sense at all. Where does one start to debug this?

eina has been building just fine here for many months now, the error is brand 
new.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] grub: how to install new version of stage 1

[Dirk Heinrichs]

Am Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 19:57:01 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> Not updating your MBR means your stage 1 is a different version from your
> stage1.5 and stage2, which may or may not cause problems.
>
> Or you you mean there's no need to install the newer version at all?

Yes, so that the above cannot happen, especially because of that broken 
ebuild.

Bye...

Dirk

Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[Dirk Heinrichs]

Am Sonntag, 31. Mai 2009 21:38:59 schrieb Maxim Wexler:
> Can somebody recommend an alternative, preferably non-debian;

Did you try GRML? That's what I usually use.

HTH...

Dirk

Re: [gentoo-user] grub: how to install new version of stage 1

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 31 May 2009 22:06:45 John P. Burkett wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Sunday 31 May 2009 18:12:34 John P. Burkett wrote:

> >> In my /dev directory, I see a sda and a md1 file.
> >>
> >> Suggestions for diagnosing or resolving the problem would be much
> >> appreciated.
> >>
> >> John
> >
> > md1 is a software raid drive. grub may or may not be able to read it
> > depending on what kind of raid it is.
> >
> > But I doubt you are booting from that if you have an sda, so even though
> > grub finds it, just don't use it and ignore the message. You told grub
> > where to install the boot loader, and it will have done that.
>
> Thanks, Alan.  I'll trust that grub works now.

Keep a bootable media handy

For just in case it doesn't work

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] pdftk emerge error

[Marco]

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Stroller
 wrote:
>
> On 30 May 2009, at 14:38, Marco wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>> I had the same problem. The fix in bug
>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264510 solved it for me.
>>
>> Since I am rather new to gentoo, I am not sure how to apply the
>> patches together with emerge. Could you give me a short info on that
>> or point me to the corresponding documentation/howto?
>
> Download both the patch & the ebuild attachments from that bug, create a
> directory /usr/portage/app-text/pdftk and put them both in there. Run
> `ebuild /usr/portage/app-text/pdftk/pdftk-1.41-r2.ebuild manifest` and then
> you should be able to emerge the new version. You might need to unmask it
> manually in /etc/portage/package.keywords, I'm not sure if that's necessary.


Thanks for the tip! Will try.

--
Regards,
 Marco

[gentoo-user] OT: buying a keyboard

[Adrian]

Greetings;

Many moons ago I purchased a Linux Cool Keyboard.  The great thing
about this keyboard is that a. it has great tactile response and b. it
has a cover which folds down to protect the keyboard when not in use.

It's finally getting worn out, keys are sticking pretty bad.  I would
like to get a new one, but the company I purchased it from (via the
internet) seems to not exist any more.  Some google action has not
resulted in locating any similar keyboards. 

Anyone know where I might find such a keyboard?  Thanks much.

Adrian



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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[Dale]

Maxim Wexler wrote:
> Hi group,
>
> I was intending to use the 2008.0 live-install CD as a chroot platform
> on a 900A EEE. Gentoo refers to the 2008.0 series as 'deprecated'. For
> good reason: there's no ppp, no atheros wifi or eth0 support, BUT it
> has lvm2 which I need. This makes it much more difficult, since I
> cannot even connect to the PC let alone dial out or connect
> wirelessly.
>
> Can somebody recommend an alternative, preferably non-debian; I have
> had no success with several versions of that particular OS. Support
> for my wireless hardware is included but attempts to connect always
> lead to IIRC "no persistent database" errors, even on completely
> insecure networks.
>
> Maxim.
>
>
>   

Can you use a Knoppix CD to install from?  I have read that it works
fine but not sure if it has your drivers or not tho. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] grub: how to install new version of stage 1

[John P. Burkett]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sunday 31 May 2009 18:12:34 John P. Burkett wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On Saturday 30 May 2009 20:59:00 John P. Burkett wrote:
 The manual suggests doing "grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda"
 but later says "If your system does not have any floppy drives, add the
 --no-floppy option to the above command to prevent grub from probing the
 (non-existing) floppy drives."  My machine has a floppy drive. Should I
 omit the --no-floppy option and just do "grub-install /dev/sda" ?
>>> The manual is actually quite clear if you know even just a little bit
>>> about boot loaders.
>>>
>>> Use --no-floppy if
>>>
>>> a) you do not have a floppy drive
>>> b) you do not intend grub to use the floppy drive you do have
>>>
>>> The question you should be asking is "have I ever booted off a floppy
>>> drive in the last X years, and do I ever intend do so again?"
>>>
>>> The first example in the manual is assuming the answers are no and no -
>>> pretty normal for the vast majority of users.
>> Thanks, Dale and Alan, for your suggestions. Doing
>> grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda
>> as root elicits the following response:
>> /dev/md1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
>>
>> In my /dev directory, I see a sda and a md1 file.
>>
>> Suggestions for diagnosing or resolving the problem would be much
>> appreciated.
>>
>> John
> 
> md1 is a software raid drive. grub may or may not be able to read it 
> depending 
> on what kind of raid it is.
> 
> But I doubt you are booting from that if you have an sda, so even though grub 
> finds it, just don't use it and ignore the message. You told grub where to 
> install the boot loader, and it will have done that.
> 
Thanks, Alan.  I'll trust that grub works now.
-John


-- 
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Department of Economics
University of Rhode Island
Kingston, RI 02881-0808
USA

phone (401) 874-9195

Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 31 May 2009 13:38:59 -0600, Maxim Wexler wrote:

> Can somebody recommend an alternative, preferably non-debian; I have
> had no success with several versions of that particular OS. Support
> for my wireless hardware is included but attempts to connect always
> lead to IIRC "no persistent database" errors, even on completely
> insecure networks.

I used an eexubuntu stick, but I didn't use wireless for the
installation. Can you use the wired interface?

Of course, both the wired and wireless interfaces are now supported by the
kernel, so the latest auto-build may be suitable.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[KH]

Maxim Wexler schrieb:
> Hi group,
> 
> I was intending to use the 2008.0 live-install CD as a chroot platform
> on a 900A EEE. Gentoo refers to the 2008.0 series as 'deprecated'. For
> good reason: there's no ppp, no atheros wifi or eth0 support, BUT it
> has lvm2 which I need. This makes it much more difficult, since I
> cannot even connect to the PC let alone dial out or connect
> wirelessly.
> 
> Can somebody recommend an alternative, preferably non-debian; I have
> had no success with several versions of that particular OS. Support
> for my wireless hardware is included but attempts to connect always
> lead to IIRC "no persistent database" errors, even on completely
> insecure networks.
> 
> Maxim.
> 

Hi Maxim,

I know there is a gentoo auto build cd but I don't know if it supports
your hardware as you need it. It might be worth a try.

http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/

kh

[gentoo-user] alternatives to 2008.0 live-install CD

[Maxim Wexler]

Hi group,

I was intending to use the 2008.0 live-install CD as a chroot platform
on a 900A EEE. Gentoo refers to the 2008.0 series as 'deprecated'. For
good reason: there's no ppp, no atheros wifi or eth0 support, BUT it
has lvm2 which I need. This makes it much more difficult, since I
cannot even connect to the PC let alone dial out or connect
wirelessly.

Can somebody recommend an alternative, preferably non-debian; I have
had no success with several versions of that particular OS. Support
for my wireless hardware is included but attempts to connect always
lead to IIRC "no persistent database" errors, even on completely
insecure networks.

Maxim.

Re: [gentoo-user] grub: how to install new version of stage 1

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 31 May 2009 19:43:55 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

> > On a x86 machine I did "emerge -D -uav world" and got a response that
> > read in part as follows:
> >  * Messages for package sys-boot/grub-0.97-r9:  
> 
> There's no need whatsoever to update grub once it's in your MBR.
> There's even no need to keep the package on your machine, you can just
> uninstall it

Not updating your MBR means your stage 1 is a different version from your
stage1.5 and stage2, which may or may not cause problems.

Or you you mean there's no need to install the newer version at all?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Get your grubby hands off my tagline! I stole it first!


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Re: [gentoo-user] grub: how to install new version of stage 1

[Dirk Heinrichs]

Am Samstag, 30. Mai 2009 20:59:00 schrieb John P. Burkett:
> On a x86 machine I did "emerge -D -uav world" and got a response that
> read in part as follows:
>  * Messages for package sys-boot/grub-0.97-r9:

There's no need whatsoever to update grub once it's in your MBR. There's even 
no need to keep the package on your machine, you can just uninstall it.

>  * To avoid automounting and autoinstalling with /boot,
>  * just export the DONT_MOUNT_BOOT variable.

There's a bug open in bugzilla to fix this silly behaviour of the grub ebuild: 
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=223311

Bye...

Dirk

Re: [gentoo-user] Sync'ed my ~x86 system yesterday and now resolver stopped working

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 30 May 2009 23:59:46 Timur Aydin wrote:
> Graham Murray wrote:
> > Timur Aydin  writes:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have synced my ~x86 system yesterday and after it completed, the
> >> resolver doesn't work for some programs anymore. For example, ping
> >>  says "unknown host name". It doesn't even contact the dns
> >> server, which is running on the same host. But dig  works
> >> fine. Also, using the IP address directly, I can access the internet.
> >>
> >> I am suspecting that the new glibc 2.10 is causing this. Anybody else
> >> having this issue?
> >
> > I had this issue a couple of weeks ago. I think it was the upgrade to
> > net-dns/openresolv-3.3.2 which was responsible. The solution was to
> > edit etc/resolvconf.conf and uncomment the line
> > name_servers=127.0.0.1
>
> That's what I tried yesterday and it resolved the problem. So it seems
> the new resolver does not default to checking localhost as a dns server
> and needs to be explicitely told to do so...

Which is a sensible default choice - few machines these days run a local 
resolver. A better default is whatever the DHCP server says the resolvers are. 

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] grub: how to install new version of stage 1

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 31 May 2009 18:12:34 John P. Burkett wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Saturday 30 May 2009 20:59:00 John P. Burkett wrote:
> >> The manual suggests doing "grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda"
> >> but later says "If your system does not have any floppy drives, add the
> >> --no-floppy option to the above command to prevent grub from probing the
> >> (non-existing) floppy drives."  My machine has a floppy drive. Should I
> >> omit the --no-floppy option and just do "grub-install /dev/sda" ?
> >
> > The manual is actually quite clear if you know even just a little bit
> > about boot loaders.
> >
> > Use --no-floppy if
> >
> > a) you do not have a floppy drive
> > b) you do not intend grub to use the floppy drive you do have
> >
> > The question you should be asking is "have I ever booted off a floppy
> > drive in the last X years, and do I ever intend do so again?"
> >
> > The first example in the manual is assuming the answers are no and no -
> > pretty normal for the vast majority of users.
>
> Thanks, Dale and Alan, for your suggestions. Doing
> grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda
> as root elicits the following response:
> /dev/md1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
>
> In my /dev directory, I see a sda and a md1 file.
>
> Suggestions for diagnosing or resolving the problem would be much
> appreciated.
>
> John

md1 is a software raid drive. grub may or may not be able to read it depending 
on what kind of raid it is.

But I doubt you are booting from that if you have an sda, so even though grub 
finds it, just don't use it and ignore the message. You told grub where to 
install the boot loader, and it will have done that.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Running two apaches and MySQLs on the same server

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 31 May 2009 01:27:07 Mick wrote:
> > Added to that, my employer is an ISP and not shy with budgets, so a
> > purchase order for new hardware in a case like this will not raise any
> > eyebrows. For me, it's a low level of risk high impact scenario and the $
> > cost is low.
> >
> > In a budget-constrained environment, it would obviously work very
> > differently
>
> Well, I am in a very cost constrained environment I'm afraid.  Good advice
> given here - I am now thinking that a virtual server is the next stage.
>  Any idea how it would run on a single CPU machine - or must we bite the
> bullet and go for some multicore monster?

virtualization can give surprisingly pleasant performance figures. It's VASTLY 
improved since vmware still caught on, and web sites don't necessarily have to 
be resource hogs.

So what I would do is get your hands on a spare machine somewhere (you might 
need to get creative here...) and test out all the well-known virtualization 
technologies (vmware-server, virtualbox, kvm, qemu). My experience has been 
that as long as you don't run X on the hosts or guests, performance is good.

If you are already running out of steam on a single-cpu machine, then you'd 
need an upgrade anyway and no amount of magic sauce technology can change that 
- it takes budget ;-) 

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] grub: how to install new version of stage 1

[John P. Burkett]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 30 May 2009 20:59:00 John P. Burkett wrote:
>> The manual suggests doing "grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda"
>> but later says "If your system does not have any floppy drives, add the
>> --no-floppy option to the above command to prevent grub from probing the
>> (non-existing) floppy drives."  My machine has a floppy drive. Should I
>> omit the --no-floppy option and just do "grub-install /dev/sda" ?
> 
> The manual is actually quite clear if you know even just a little bit about 
> boot loaders.
> 
> Use --no-floppy if
> 
> a) you do not have a floppy drive
> b) you do not intend grub to use the floppy drive you do have
> 
> The question you should be asking is "have I ever booted off a floppy drive 
> in 
> the last X years, and do I ever intend do so again?"
> 
> The first example in the manual is assuming the answers are no and no - 
> pretty 
> normal for the vast majority of users.
> 
Thanks, Dale and Alan, for your suggestions. Doing
grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda
as root elicits the following response:
/dev/md1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.

In my /dev directory, I see a sda and a md1 file.

Suggestions for diagnosing or resolving the problem would be much
appreciated.

John

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Department of Economics
University of Rhode Island
Kingston, RI 02881-0808
USA

phone (401) 874-9195

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Whats better for crossplatform applications?

[Alexander Pilipovsky]

2009/5/31 Nikos Chantziaras 

> Alexander Pilipovsky wrote:
>
>> May be, it's not a "only Gentoo" question, but I want to write and start
>> applications under Gentoo and Windows. I saw Tcl/Tk library in work (as
>> example OOMMF: http://math.nist.gov/oommf/, but it, sometimes, unstable
>> under Windows XP). And it did not like me to look of buttons, lists etc.
>> Other way I saw in using wxPython (http://www.wxpython.org/) or
>> wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/). I want to have as little as
>> possible differences in GUI of my program when it starts under GNOME,
>> KDE or Windows. May be some other libraries for crossplatform
>> development are exists.
>>
>> What library better for unification of application look and developing?
>>
>
> I also recommend Qt (version 4) because it looks native on Windows and Mac
> OS X too.  Qt is C++ but it has Python, C and Java bindings too so you can
> develop in Python for example but still have a native KDE/Windows/OS X
> look&feel.
>
>
>
Thanks all you for your views! They are very helpful for me.
In summary, I am going to make choise in Qt :)

-- 
Alexander Pilipovsky aka Engraver

Re: [gentoo-user] pdftk emerge error

[Stroller]

On 30 May 2009, at 14:38, Marco wrote:

...
I had the same problem. The fix in bug
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264510 solved it for me.


Since I am rather new to gentoo, I am not sure how to apply the
patches together with emerge. Could you give me a short info on that
or point me to the corresponding documentation/howto?


Download both the patch & the ebuild attachments from that bug, create  
a directory /usr/portage/app-text/pdftk and put them both in there.  
Run `ebuild /usr/portage/app-text/pdftk/pdftk-1.41-r2.ebuild manifest`  
and then you should be able to emerge the new version. You might need  
to unmask it manually in /etc/portage/package.keywords, I'm not sure  
if that's necessary.


Stroller.

[gentoo-user] Re: Whats better for crossplatform applications?

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Alexander Pilipovsky wrote:

May be, it's not a "only Gentoo" question, but I want to write and start
applications under Gentoo and Windows. I saw Tcl/Tk library in work (as
example OOMMF: http://math.nist.gov/oommf/, but it, sometimes, unstable
under Windows XP). And it did not like me to look of buttons, lists etc.
Other way I saw in using wxPython (http://www.wxpython.org/) or
wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/). I want to have as little as
possible differences in GUI of my program when it starts under GNOME,
KDE or Windows. May be some other libraries for crossplatform
development are exists.

What library better for unification of application look and developing?


I also recommend Qt (version 4) because it looks native on Windows and 
Mac OS X too.  Qt is C++ but it has Python, C and Java bindings too so 
you can develop in Python for example but still have a native 
KDE/Windows/OS X look&feel.

Re: [gentoo-user] Whats better for crossplatform applications?

[bn]

Alexander Pilipovsky ha scritto:
> May be, it's not a "only Gentoo" question, but I want to write and start
> applications under Gentoo and Windows. I saw Tcl/Tk library in work (as
> example OOMMF: http://math.nist.gov/oommf/, but it, sometimes, unstable
> under Windows XP). And it did not like me to look of buttons, lists etc.
> Other way I saw in using wxPython (http://www.wxpython.org/) or
> wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/). I want to have as little as
> possible differences in GUI of my program when it starts under GNOME,
> KDE or Windows. May be some other libraries for crossplatform
> development are exists.
> 
> What library better for unification of application look and developing?
> 
> P. S. Excuse my English, please :)
> 

wxWidgets or its good python wrapper wxPython is good if you want native
look on every platform. Which is different from the look being exactly
the same on every platform, but it's what you really want, most probably.

m.

Re: [gentoo-user] Whats better for crossplatform applications?

[Arttu V]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

On Sonntag 31 Mai 2009, Roy Wright wrote:
  

java - portability was one of the original design goals



and it is still ugly. Also very funny and old bugs.
  


Given the OP's question (identical look and feel across platforms a very 
high priority) he should really check out Java and Swing:


http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/uiswing/lookandfeel/plaf.html


qt4 - some kde apps are starting to be portable



kde always was portable. Also developed as a cross plattform lib. Lots of 
windows apps already use qt. Great documentation. Lots of language bindings, 
nicer licensing.
  


Yes, I'd say qt is the other one to check.

gtk+ might mean trouble, IIRC different gtk+ versions didn't use to live 
so nicely on a Windows box. GIMP and some other program required 
different versions of gtk+ on Windows when I last tried -- and the 
Highlander paid a visit: "there can be only one ..." (Maybe they've 
fixed that? Or was it about Windows not being too tolerant about 
different versions of libraries?)


... but anyway I'm mostly classificable as a server-side java dude, and 
don't know the more obscure choices with GUIs that well. So, my opinions 
are worth their weight in uranium (hazardous material, need proper 
handling, not suitable for most uses, keep away from the reach of 
children ;) ).


--
Arttu V.

Re: [gentoo-user] Whats better for crossplatform applications?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Sonntag 31 Mai 2009, Roy Wright wrote:
> On May 31, 2009, at 2:04 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Sonntag 31 Mai 2009, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote:
> >> May be, it's not a "only Gentoo" question, but I want to write and
> >> start
> >> applications under Gentoo and Windows. I saw Tcl/Tk library in work
> >> (as
> >> example OOMMF: http://math.nist.gov/oommf/, but it, sometimes,
> >> unstable
> >> under Windows XP). And it did not like me to look of buttons, lists
> >> etc.
> >> Other way I saw in using wxPython (http://www.wxpython.org/) or
> >> wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/). I want to have as little as
> >> possible differences in GUI of my program when it starts under GNOME,
> >> KDE or Windows. May be some other libraries for crossplatform
> >> development are exists.
> >>
> >> What library better for unification of application look and
> >> developing?
> >>
> >> P. S. Excuse my English, please :)
> >
> > qt
>
> There's a few to choose from.  Here's some:
>
> java - portability was one of the original design goals

and it is still ugly. Also very funny and old bugs.

> javafx - looks real interesting for 2D graphics
> gtk - lots of language wrappers available

also windows port not so great. Lots of wrappers is not unique.

> qt4 - some kde apps are starting to be portable

kde always was portable. Also developed as a cross plattform lib. Lots of 
windows apps already use qt. Great documentation. Lots of language bindings, 
nicer licensing.

> shoes - really simple UI, designed for learning
> gosu - 2D cross platform library
>

don't know them.

Re: [gentoo-user] Whats better for crossplatform applications?

[Roy Wright]

On May 31, 2009, at 2:04 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:


On Sonntag 31 Mai 2009, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote:
May be, it's not a "only Gentoo" question, but I want to write and  
start
applications under Gentoo and Windows. I saw Tcl/Tk library in work  
(as
example OOMMF: http://math.nist.gov/oommf/, but it, sometimes,  
unstable
under Windows XP). And it did not like me to look of buttons, lists  
etc.

Other way I saw in using wxPython (http://www.wxpython.org/) or
wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/). I want to have as little as
possible differences in GUI of my program when it starts under GNOME,
KDE or Windows. May be some other libraries for crossplatform
development are exists.

What library better for unification of application look and  
developing?


P. S. Excuse my English, please :)


qt



There's a few to choose from.  Here's some:

java - portability was one of the original design goals
javafx - looks real interesting for 2D graphics
gtk - lots of language wrappers available
qt4 - some kde apps are starting to be portable
shoes - really simple UI, designed for learning
gosu - 2D cross platform library

I'm sure there are more...

Have fun,
Roy

Re: [gentoo-user] Whats better for crossplatform applications?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Sonntag 31 Mai 2009, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote:
> May be, it's not a "only Gentoo" question, but I want to write and start
> applications under Gentoo and Windows. I saw Tcl/Tk library in work (as
> example OOMMF: http://math.nist.gov/oommf/, but it, sometimes, unstable
> under Windows XP). And it did not like me to look of buttons, lists etc.
> Other way I saw in using wxPython (http://www.wxpython.org/) or
> wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/). I want to have as little as
> possible differences in GUI of my program when it starts under GNOME,
> KDE or Windows. May be some other libraries for crossplatform
> development are exists.
>
> What library better for unification of application look and developing?
>
> P. S. Excuse my English, please :)

qt