Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update

[Philip Webb]

090929 Alex Schuster wrote:
> I also have a huuuge list of KDE bugs, but I am still at 4.2
> and I hope at least some of them have been fixed already.
> But I will wait with the update until I have some time,
> because normally I need my PC with KDE running
> and I fear something will go wrong while updating.

KDE 4.3.1 is an enormous improvement over 4.2.1 :
the apps are stable & basic functions are available.
Responses in KDE Bugzilla suggest their devs want to satisfy users:
they tend to be "We haven't got there yet but are working on it"
rather than "Forget it, get used to it, it's been dropped".
The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 ,
so that I've adopted Xterm & the Xfce Terminal for some jobs.
NB I am not using the desktop, which I haven't installed,
but such apps as Gwenview, Okular, Konqueror, games;
I found Fluxbox even better for my needs that the KDE 3.5.10 desktop.

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[gentoo-user] Re: bzflag is broken

[James]

Nikos Chantziaras  arcor.de> writes:

> The 4350 is fully supported:

OK


> Can you try with some Live CD that loads the ati-drivers during live 
> boot?  I think Sabayon does this.  If bzflag works there, then there's 
> something wrong in the Gentoo installation.


The card and bzflag worked for a long time with ati-drivers and gentoo.
It was my most recent upgrade to the 9-series of ati-drivers that 
is broken.

can you run this and tell me what you get?


# equery depgraph --depth=1 bzflag
[ Searching for packages matching bzflag... ]
* dependency graph for games-action/bzflag-2.0.12
`-- games-action/bzflag-2.0.12
 `-- net-misc/curl-7.19.6
 `-- sys-libs/ncurses-5.6-r2
 `-- net-dns/c-ares-1.5.3
 `-- virtual/opengl-7.0 (virtual/opengl) [ sdl ]
 `-- virtual/glu-7.0 (virtual/glu) [ sdl ]
 `-- media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1 [ sdl ]
 `-- >=media-libs/svgalib-1.4.2 (unable to resolve to a package / package masked
or removed)
 `-- >=media-libs/svgalib-1.4.2 (unable to resolve to a package / package masked
or removed)
 `-- media-libs/glew-1.5.1 [ sdl ]
 `-- x11-libs/libICE-1.0.4 [ sdl ]
 `-- x11-libs/libSM-1.1.0 [ sdl ]
 `-- x11-libs/libX11-1.1.5 [ sdl ]
 `-- x11-libs/libXau-1.0.4 [ sdl ]
 `-- x11-libs/libXdmcp-1.0.2 [ sdl ]
 `-- x11-libs/libXext-1.0.4 [ sdl ]
 `-- x11-libs/libXi-1.2.1 [ sdl ]
 `-- x11-libs/libXmu-1.0.4 [ sdl ]
 `-- x11-libs/libXt-1.0.5 [ sdl ]
 `-- x11-libs/libXxf86vm-1.0.2 [ sdl ]
[ games-action/bzflag-2.0.12 stats: packages (18), max depth (1) ]

[gentoo-user] Re: bzflag is broken

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 09/29/2009 03:55 PM, James wrote:

Nikos Chantziaras  arcor.de>  writes:


The 4350 is fully supported:


OK



Can you try with some Live CD that loads the ati-drivers during live
boot?  I think Sabayon does this.  If bzflag works there, then there's
something wrong in the Gentoo installation.



The card and bzflag worked for a long time with ati-drivers and gentoo.
It was my most recent upgrade to the 9-series of ati-drivers that
is broken.

can you run this and tell me what you get?


# equery depgraph --depth=1 bzflag


 * Searching for bzflag ...
 * dependency graph for games-action/bzflag-2.0.12:
`-- games-action/bzflag-2.0.12
 `-- net-misc/curl-7.19.6
 `-- sys-libs/ncurses-5.7-r1
 `-- net-dns/c-ares-1.6.0
 `-- virtual/opengl-7.0 (virtual/opengl) [sdl]
 `-- virtual/glu-7.0 (virtual/glu) [sdl]
 `-- media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1 [sdl]
 `-- >=media-libs/svgalib-1.4.2 (unable to resolve: package masked or 
removed)
 `-- >=media-libs/svgalib-1.4.2 (unable to resolve: package masked or 
removed)

 `-- media-libs/glew-1.5.1 [sdl]
 `-- x11-libs/libICE-1.0.6 [sdl]
 `-- x11-libs/libSM-1.1.1 [sdl]
 `-- x11-libs/libX11-1.2.2 [sdl]
 `-- x11-libs/libXau-1.0.5 [sdl]
 `-- x11-libs/libXdmcp-1.0.3 [sdl]
 `-- x11-libs/libXext-1.0.5 [sdl]
 `-- x11-libs/libXi-1.2.1 [sdl]
 `-- x11-libs/libXmu-1.0.5 [sdl]
 `-- x11-libs/libXt-1.0.6 [sdl]
 `-- x11-libs/libXxf86vm-1.0.2 [sdl]

Re: [gentoo-user] Kopete and a pesky pop-up then it disconnects.

[forgottenwizard]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 01:11:06AM -0500, Dale wrote:
> Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  Mine was grayed out to but I changed them to what you have and
> it still does the same thing.  So, I guess Yahoo is no more for me until
> I KDE4 is ready to go. 
> 

You could use Pidgin, or just try updating kopete by itself (and its
dependant libs, of course). If KDE3 is in its down directory, then this
shouldn't be hard to do.

Re: [gentoo-user] trouble installing compizconfig-backend-kconfig-0.8.2

[Crístian Viana]

compizconfig-backend-kconfig depends on KDE 3.5, not KDE 4.3. you can
disable the "kde" USE flag for compiz-fusion by adding the following line on
/etc/portage/package.use:
x11-wm/compiz-fusion -kde

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Yasin  wrote:

> i have trouble when installing compizconfig-backend-kconfig-0.8.2 in my
> gentoo with kde 4.3, his said checking for kde-config... not found, can any
> one to help me??
>
> thanks.
>
> --
> Coba Yahoo! Mail baru yang LEBIH CEPAT. Rasakan bedanya sekarang!
> 
>



-- 
Crístian Deives dos Santos Viana [aka CD1]
Sent from Campinas, SP, Brazil

Re: [gentoo-user] Kopete and a pesky pop-up then it disconnects.

[Paul Hartman]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Dale  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I mentioned this a while back in another thread.  Now it is even worse.
> When I tell Kopete to make me "online" with Yahoo, I get a pop-up that
> says I am using a old version of Yahoo messenger.  If I close the
> message box, it throws me offline.  Basically, I can't stay online with
> Kopete and Yahoo anymore.
>
> Info for kopete:
>
>> r...@smoker / # emerge -pv kopete:3.5
>>
>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>
>> Calculating dependencies ... done!
>> [ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kopete-3.5.10-r4  USE="crypt groupwise
>> highlight history sametime ssl statistics texteffect yahoo
>> -addbookmarks -alias -autoreplace -connectionstatus -contactnotes
>> -debug -emoticons-manager -gadu -irc -jabber (-jingle)
>> -kdehiddenvisibility -latex -msn -netmeeting -nowlistening -oscar -slp
>> -sms -translator -v4l2 -webpresence -winpopup -xscreensaver" 0 kB
>>
>> Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
>> r...@smoker / #
>
> As you can see, I'm still on KDE 3.5.  I'm just not ready for KDE 4
> yet.  If I filed a roach report, would it be fixed?  Is there something
> that I can do here to make this boo boo message go away and me stay
> online?  Maybe another port or something?
>
> Ideas?

Will it be fixed? Maybe, maybe not.

A quick Googling and search of KDE's bugzilla shows that even the KDE
4.3 version of Kopete is failing to connect to Yahoo Messenger (for at
least some people who filed bugs).

I myself use Pidgin and it connects to Yahoo just fine.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Philip Webb  wrote:
> The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 ,

In what ways?

According to changelog the KDE4 version of Konsole has added automatic
tab titles (shows current directory), split screen mode, a performance
increase on scrolling large terminals, better profile setup dialogs,
runs all konsole sessions from a single-process, can use personalized
profile in embedded konsoles, easy SSH session bookmarking, much
improved search, real transparency, new themes, a  command to open
your GUI file manager in the current directory, enable mouse-wheel to
scroll programs that don't naturally support it (like less), etc.

What's missing from the 3.x series?

Re: [gentoo-user] distcc does seem to work

[Al]

Xi Shen wrote:

> hi,
> 
> this is the my 1st time working with distcc. after i have emerged and
> configured the system (include the make.conf), i tried to emerge kde,
> and use distmon-text to see what would happen. i lost the output of
> the distmon-text, but the output looks something like this:
> 
> somefile.namelocalhost[1]
> somefile.namelocalhost[2]
> somefile.namesome.ip.i.configured[1]
> somefile.nameblocked
> 
This looks normal I see the "blocked" when distcc is working but been too 
lazy to check it out.
> is it the correct output? what does the '[1]' mean? what does 'blocked'
> mean? and for most of the time, the 2nd field is 'localhost', does this
> means most of the files are actually compiled on local? how to make it
> distribute the work load to other host more than that of the local
> one?
> 
> 
Perhaps you could post your config- /etc/distcc/hosts, have you got the 
server running on the other box(s) what abut their configs 
-/etc/conf.d/distcc

Al

[gentoo-user] Re: bzflag is broken

[James]

Nikos Chantziaras  arcor.de> writes:

> > # equery depgraph --depth=1 bzflag

Nothing stands out. I unmerged bzflag.

Oh well, I'll find another pass-time


thx,
James

[gentoo-user] gnome 2.26 stable?

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Without any ranting ... I feel kind of stupid waiting for GNOME 2.26
going stable within the gentoo-tree while GNOME 2.28 is out now at
gnome.org.

Maybe I am too conservative here and could already use 2.26 for a while
by unmasking lots of packages or doing *something* ...

Not that I really miss something, it's just that I wonder ... and I
would like to explore any new features etc ...

The question:

Should I wait for bug 263083 to be done?

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263083

Or is there a "safe enough, stable enough" way to get gnome-2.26 onto my
amd64-desktop without crashing my main workstation every few days?

Again: I appreciate the work of all the gentoo-devs, I am far from being
able to judge their work. I just ask as I assume that I am missing
something maybe ...

Thanks, Stefan.

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my machine too old for virtualbox?

[Walter Dnes]

  OK, I got the VirtualBox software going, but I really wanted to get
OS/2 going.  When I launched the VM, I got the warning...

> VT-x/AMD-V hardware acceleration has been enabled, but is not
> operational.  Certain guests (e.g. OS/2 and QNX) require this feature.
> Please ensure that you have enabled VT-x/AMD-V properly in the BIOS
> of your host computer.

  I ignored it and went into the OS/2 install.  You will be glad to know
that Reiserfs managed to recover nicely, without any data loss, after I
totally locked up my machine .  When I say totally locked up, not
even the Magic SysReq Key got any response.

  There doesn't seem to be anything in my Dell's BIOS setup about VT-x.
Is there any software that can probe the BIOS and enable VT-x, assuming
it exists?  If not, I'm out of luck for OS/2 on this machine.

-- 
Walter Dnes 

[gentoo-user] Re: gnome 2.26 stable?

[walt]

On 09/29/2009 03:01 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:


Without any ranting ... I feel kind of stupid waiting for GNOME 2.26
going stable within the gentoo-tree while GNOME 2.28 is out now at
gnome.org.

Maybe I am too conservative here and could already use 2.26 for a while
by unmasking lots of packages or doing *something* ...


I run gnome on my ~amd64 machine and have had no problems at all (so far).
IMHO it's safe to run gnome on an ~amd64 machine, but I've not used the
unstable gnome desktop on a stable amd64 machine.  Just from past experience
I might expect problems from mixing stable/unstable in that manner.  But
I can offer no evidence either way.

Happy to be helpful ;o)

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 2.26 stable?

[Albert Hopkins]

On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 00:01 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: 
> Without any ranting ... I feel kind of stupid waiting for GNOME 2.26
> going stable within the gentoo-tree while GNOME 2.28 is out now at
> gnome.org.
> 
> Maybe I am too conservative here and could already use 2.26 for a while
> by unmasking lots of packages or doing *something* ...
> 
> Not that I really miss something, it's just that I wonder ... and I
> would like to explore any new features etc ...
> 
> The question:
> 
> Should I wait for bug 263083 to be done?
> 
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263083
> 
> Or is there a "safe enough, stable enough" way to get gnome-2.26 onto my
> amd64-desktop without crashing my main workstation every few days?

I haven't found any problems with and I've been running it since it's
been in the tree.  I think most of the problems are banged out when it's
in the overlay so by the time the packages make it to the tree they've
already been tested somewhat.

I've found the easiest way to run a suite of packages marked testing is
to go ahead and put yourself in the testing tree.  It's easier to mask
packages than to unmask testing ones (even though there are tools now
that supposedly help with that) and testing really isn't that unstable.
If/when there are problems (e.g. cups 1.4.1) the workaround is easy:
report a bug if applicable, mask the offending package and downgrade to
the last version that worked.  So come on in. The water's warm :)

-a

Re: [gentoo-user] distcc does seem to work

[Xi Shen]

thanks, i got it working now.


On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Al  wrote:
> Xi Shen wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> this is the my 1st time working with distcc. after i have emerged and
>> configured the system (include the make.conf), i tried to emerge kde,
>> and use distmon-text to see what would happen. i lost the output of
>> the distmon-text, but the output looks something like this:
>>
>> somefile.name    localhost[1]
>> somefile.name    localhost[2]
>> somefile.name    some.ip.i.configured[1]
>> somefile.name    blocked
>>
> This looks normal I see the "blocked" when distcc is working but been too
> lazy to check it out.
>> is it the correct output? what does the '[1]' mean? what does 'blocked'
>> mean? and for most of the time, the 2nd field is 'localhost', does this
>> means most of the files are actually compiled on local? how to make it
>> distribute the work load to other host more than that of the local
>> one?
>>
>>
> Perhaps you could post your config- /etc/distcc/hosts, have you got the
> server running on the other box(s) what abut their configs
> -/etc/conf.d/distcc
>
> Al
>
>



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Best Regards,
David Shen

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Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 2.26 stable?

[Keith Dart]

=== On Wed, 09/30, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: ===
> Without any ranting ... I feel kind of stupid waiting for GNOME 2.26
> going stable within the gentoo-tree while GNOME 2.28 is out now at
> gnome.org.

===

Just FYI, I always run unstable (now ~amd64), and rarely have problems,
and those are mostly compile problems related to my particular mix of
USE flags. Those are quickly fixed. Once running, everything has been
stable for me.  I guess that since "unstable" is so stable that no one
is inclined to unmask it for "stable" mask. ;-)

So go for it...

By far the biggest headaches have been all the changes happening in the
Xorg world, but that seems to have stabilized now also. 

But always keep in mind that as a Gentoo user you are your own system's
integrator...



-- Keith Dart

-- 
-- 
Keith Dart

===

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update

[Philip Webb]

090929 Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Philip Webb  wrote:
>> The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 ,
> According to changelog the KDE4 version of Konsole has added :

Quick reactions, further advice welcome :

> automatic tab titles (shows current directory) -- trivial
> split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs
> performance increase on scrolling large terminals -- don't need it
> better profile set-up dialogs -- yes, but they still don't work properly
> runs all Konsole sessions from a single process -- useful for what ?
> can use personalized profile in embedded Konsoles -- don't need it
> easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it
> much improved search -- no sign of it (present in 3.5.10)
> real transparency -- don't need it
> new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox)
> open your GUI file manager in the current directory -- trivial
> mouse-wheel scrolls pgms that don't naturally support it (eg Less) -- yes

So yes, a couple of small items I mt use occasionally.

> What's missing from the 3.x series ?

A much longer list of schemas, start root console, search (see above),
set window geometry (inside Konsole or when starting it: see my bug list).

I am hopeful the KDE devs will restore more with 4.4.1 & 4.5.1 ,
but it hasn't happened yet.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch 30 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote:
> 090929 Paul Hartman wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Philip Webb  wrote:
> >> The one exception is Konsole, which is a shadow of 3.5.10 ,
> >
> > According to changelog the KDE4 version of Konsole has added :
> 
> Quick reactions, further advice welcome :
> > automatic tab titles (shows current directory) -- trivial

and very usefull

> > split screen mode -- yes, mb useful, but similar to tabs

no.

> > performance increase on scrolling large terminals -- don't need it

yes, you need it. You don't realize you need it. Slow scrolling has a lot of 
drawbacks not just 'it is not as fast as I want' but also 'it is not as fast 
as the process dumping info wants'

> > runs all Konsole sessions from a single process -- useful for what ?

memory consumption? 

> > can use personalized profile in embedded Konsoles -- don't need it

you maybe not.

> > easy SSH session bookmarking -- can't find it

log in via ssh, click on 'bookmarks' click on 'add bookmarks'. You are done 
(or not, but in that case, edit bookmarks, you are done).

> > much improved search -- no sign of it (present in 3.5.10)

emm - no

> > real transparency -- don't need it

you maybe not. But a lot of people like it.

> > new themes -- don't need them (I use Fluxbox)

konsole themes, not window manager themes.

> > open your GUI file manager in the current directory -- trivial

and still not done by a lot of terminals.

Oh, and opening the webbrower when right click 'open' on a web adress

> 
> A much longer list of schemas, start root console, search (see above),

search? what search is missing?

[gentoo-user] Re: bzflag is broken

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 09/29/2009 08:39 PM, James wrote:

Nikos Chantziaras  arcor.de>  writes:


# equery depgraph --depth=1 bzflag


Nothing stands out. I unmerged bzflag.


Well, actually one thing that stands out is that I'm using newer 
versions of most of the dependencies.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4 bugs update

[Roy Wright]

On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Philip Webb wrote:


090929 Paul Hartman wrote:


What's missing from the 3.x series ?


A much longer list of schemas, start root console, search (see above),
set window geometry (inside Konsole or when starting it: see my bug  
list).


Starting a root (or any other) console is easy.  Use Manage Profiles  
to create the profile.  You can then open it via File menu or  
Settings, Change Profile menu.  To get the profile button in the  
bottom left corner, again use Manage Profiles, Tabs, and enable "Show  
'New Tab' and 'Close Tab' buttons in tab bar".


Note, when defining a root console, for the command, use either "/bin/ 
su" or "/bin/sudo -i" or whatever your system needs.


Next install the "Konsole Profiles" widget where ever it is convenient  
(desktop, panel).


Have fun,
Roy