Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lilo vs. LVM
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:03 on Saturday 04 September 2010, walt did opine thusly: On 09/04/2010 07:11 AM, Konstantinos Agouros wrote: Hi, I have a VM with a gentoo guest. For testing I set it up with an LVM Volume Group that consisted of only one disk. Now I added a 2nd resized the FS but lilo stopped working. When I call it I get: Way back when I was using LILO, it had to be reinstalled to the boot block of the boot drive whenever the partition table changed. The partition table was hard-wired into the boot block, so naturally the boot block needed to be updated. Dunno if LILO still does that, and I can't recall how to re-install the boot block, either :/ Is maybe grub the answer to my problem? That's what I use, and it's not subject to the re-install problem. Bit of a learning curve at first, but worth it IMO. Well, they are boot loaders, BOOT_LOADERS ARE DIFFERENT. VERY DIFFERENT. Not shouting, just emphasis. One cannot think of boot-loaders in OS terms, as they are not the OS. lilo does indeed need to be re-written to disk when the partition table changes, it does not have the ability to dynamically read a disk, it has no clue what a file or an fs is. This makes life simple, but you need to remember the extra step. grub does support dynamically reading disks, meaning there's no extra step when making changes. But it did move the complexity into menu.lst. Which one to use? It's a trade-off. Decide for yourselves where you want the complexity to be, and use that one. You will never eliminate the complexity of a boot loader, you can however contain it somewhere YOU are familiar with and where you feel comfortable working with it. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Lilo vs. LVM
In aanlkti=z6rz7umnm3jbcupbvbehpqzt4xsd=l_hfa...@mail.gmail.com oss.el...@googlemail.com (Al) writes: 2010/9/4 Konstantinos Agouros elw...@agouros.de: Hi, I have a VM with a gentoo guest. For testing I set it up with an LVM Volume Group that consisted of only one disk. Now I added a 2nd resized the FS but lilo stopped working. When I call it I get: # lilo device-mapper: table ioctl failed: No such device or address Fatal: device-mapper: dm_task_run(DM_DEVICE_TABLE) failed /boot is also on the LVM volume. Is maybe grub the answer to my problem? A don't think so. Grub has more features comparing lilo. More features == more complex. Dealing with VM, LVM and lilo is already one level of complexity to much if you ask. So how would You solve this? -- Dipl-Inf. Konstantin Agouros aka Elwood Blues. Internet: elw...@agouros.de Altersheimerstr. 1, 81545 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185 Captain, this ship will not survive the forming of the cosmos. B'Elana Torres
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Old IDE drives and the newer PATA kernel drivers
On Saturday 04 September 2010 08:23:41 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Something seems screwed in your config. Try creating a new test user and login with that one. See if it still happens there. You're right. I did that and info:grub was displayed properly in Konqueror. Now to find what's gone wrong. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED: problem with PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI
On 4 Sep 2010, at 15:32, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:15:01 +0100, Stroller wrote: Needed to use: PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=use...@mydomain.com mymailserver.com I've got it without that, Portage 2.1.8.3. $ grep ELOG /etc/make.conf PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES=warn error log PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM=save mail PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=root PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILFROM=port...@hex $ Works fine here. Are you running a mailserver on localhost? Well, David's problem is SOLVED now, so I'm not sure that it matters, but yes. I assumed he would also have to be running a sendmail-replacement for the example he gave to work: echo testing use...@mydomain.com | \ mail -stesting use...@mydomain.com use...@mydomain.com I kinda assumed his problem was that `mail` would provide a valid sender address, whereas the upstream ISP might reject mails from portage with a dodgy from address. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Proper way of updating mysql from 5.0.90-r2 to 5.1.50?
On Saturday 04 September 2010 23:30:55 you wrote: On Saturday 04 September 2010 22:43:01 kashani wrote: On 9/3/2010 10:53 PM, Jarry wrote: On 31. 8. 2010 20:30, Mick wrote: I stop apach mysql, run the update, dispatch-conf and then restart them both. Haven't had problems since. I tried it that way: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop /etc/init.d/mysql stop emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world emerge --depclean revdep-rebuild /etc/init.d/mysql start /etc/init.d/apache2 start Still the same: databases are gone, mysql is empty. Only users are there. This is strange: how can updating mysql from one stable version to higher stable cause complete loss of databases??? Jarry IIRC the default my.cnf changed for the worse in Gentoo's 5.1.x ebuild. Try making a copy of your original my.cnf and put it into place once you've upgraded. Else you may need to modify the mysql home and data paths in the new my.cnf to reflect where the database are actually installed. I just updated to mysql-5.1.50-r1 on a x86 box, ran revdep-rebuild which amidst others rebuilt apache and php and all is good now. dispatch-conf updated only a couple of lines on the config file. The default paths were not affected on any of the 5 mysql databases I'm running currently. Oops! I spake too soon! :-( I cannot access two databases. Both have #mysql50# infront of the name of the original database. What does this mean? How do I fix it? Other databases are fine, their names appearing without this strange prefix. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Proper way of updating mysql from 5.0.90-r2 to 5.1.50?
On Sunday 05 September 2010 10:29:29 you wrote: On Saturday 04 September 2010 23:30:55 you wrote: On Saturday 04 September 2010 22:43:01 kashani wrote: On 9/3/2010 10:53 PM, Jarry wrote: On 31. 8. 2010 20:30, Mick wrote: I stop apach mysql, run the update, dispatch-conf and then restart them both. Haven't had problems since. I tried it that way: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop /etc/init.d/mysql stop emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world emerge --depclean revdep-rebuild /etc/init.d/mysql start /etc/init.d/apache2 start Still the same: databases are gone, mysql is empty. Only users are there. This is strange: how can updating mysql from one stable version to higher stable cause complete loss of databases??? Jarry IIRC the default my.cnf changed for the worse in Gentoo's 5.1.x ebuild. Try making a copy of your original my.cnf and put it into place once you've upgraded. Else you may need to modify the mysql home and data paths in the new my.cnf to reflect where the database are actually installed. I just updated to mysql-5.1.50-r1 on a x86 box, ran revdep-rebuild which amidst others rebuilt apache and php and all is good now. dispatch-conf updated only a couple of lines on the config file. The default paths were not affected on any of the 5 mysql databases I'm running currently. Oops! I spake too soon! :-( I cannot access two databases. Both have #mysql50# infront of the name of the original database. What does this mean? How do I fix it? Other databases are fine, their names appearing without this strange prefix. I found the solution: mysql ALTER DATABASE `#mysql50#dbname` UPGRADE DATA DIRECTORY NAME; as described here: http://mattiasgeniar.be/2010/08/07/mysql-upgrade-to-5-1-database-name-prefix- mysql50/ I am not sure if this is related with the problem that the O/P had - disappearing databases. The symptoms when the database with the new prefix is used to drive a CMS, was an error by apache saying that the database does not exist. Of course, it does exist but its name now has a funny prefix. Running mysql -u root -p and SHOW DATABASES; led me to finding out that the name had changed. BTW, /var/lib/mysql still showed the non-prefixed db names. Anyway, the above link was very helpful in resolving my problem. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Baselayout 1.12.13 bug 291916
100904 Mick wrote: On Saturday 04 September 2010 13:20:06 Philip Webb wrote: Today I ran into bug 291916. I updated my Asus EEE netbook to Baselayout 1.12.13 got the messages assuming udev failed somewhere, as /dev/zero does not exist etc ; downgrading back to Baselayout 1.12.11.1 solved the problem. I've been using 1.12.13 on the desktop since 2009-11-14 w/o problems. What is the current proper practice when upgrading to Baselayout 1.12.13 ? I did not have this problem on two x86 and one amd64 systems. My amd64 box has: $ cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep CONFIG_SYSFS # CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is not set CONFIG_SYSFS=y Isn't this simply a matter of configuring your kernel accordingly? No, it isn't ! -- I had already noticed that suggestion in Forum entries. My netbook shows exactly the same reply as you show for your AMD64 box. Thanks for trying to help. Any further suggestions welcome. Or is the best solution to move to Baselayout 2 ? Does anyone have thoughts on this part ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo
Hi, all, My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a new laptop - one that will run Gentoo straightforwardly, of course. I really liked the 1600x1200 display on this machine, which I greatly prefer to the 1600x900 display on the more modern Inspiron 1545 I own. Most of what I do now is through a web browser, and I can see much more of a web page with 1200 lines of display than I can with 900. And I dislike the massive width of the 1545 which makes it much less portable than the old 8200. I'd love to replace my 8200 with a machine of similar dimensions, but thinner and lighter. However, I cannot find any machine on Dell's website with a 4x3 aspect ratio - they all seem to be approximately 16x9 now. So, is 16x9 all that's available now in laptops? If I'm stuck with a 16x9 aspect ratio, then I'd like to get something significantly narrower and more portable than my 1545 (14.75, 37.5 cm wide) and with as many horizontal lines in the display as possible. Any suggestions? (And, yes, I'm open to a non-Dell solution.) Thanks for your suggestions, John Blinka
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo
Am 05.09.2010 14:58, schrieb John Blinka: Hi, all, My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a new laptop - one that will run Gentoo straightforwardly, of course. I really liked the 1600x1200 display on this machine, which I greatly prefer to the 1600x900 display on the more modern Inspiron 1545 I own. Most of what I do now is through a web browser, and I can see much more of a web page with 1200 lines of display than I can with 900. And I dislike the massive width of the 1545 which makes it much less portable than the old 8200. I'd love to replace my 8200 with a machine of similar dimensions, but thinner and lighter. However, I cannot find any machine on Dell's website with a 4x3 aspect ratio - they all seem to be approximately 16x9 now. So, is 16x9 all that's available now in laptops? If I'm stuck with a 16x9 aspect ratio, then I'd like to get something significantly narrower and more portable than my 1545 (14.75, 37.5 cm wide) and with as many horizontal lines in the display as possible. Any suggestions? (And, yes, I'm open to a non-Dell solution.) Thanks for your suggestions, John Blinka I couldn't find a 4:3 laptop when I tried to replace my Dell Latitude D520 which had a marvelous 1400x1050 display, either. In the end I settled for an HP ProBook 6450b with the better display option of 1600x900 (14). The whole case is 33.5cm wide. All at all pretty good. Wifi drivers are not in-kernel but in portage (broadcom-sta). Everything else works out-of-box. Keyboard is also good for typing but needs a bit more pressure than the Dell. The docking station is inferior to Dell's. No SPDIF output and it lifts the laptop to quite some angle. On the plus side it has eSATA and the larger one even a built-in HDD. Performance and noise levels are also good. Hope this helps. Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] is Hal required for a Synaptics touchpad ? -- SOLVED
100904 Florian Philipp wrote: Am 04.09.2010 14:13, schrieb Philip Webb: I successfully removed Hal from my desktop machine some time ago. Today, I tried removing it from my ASUS EEE netbook : I dropped 'hald' from the default runlevel, recompiled Xorg-server + Xf86-input-synaptics with USE=-hal, but after X opens, everything is frozen (no touchpad, no keys). Is anyone else using a touchpad w/o Hal ? Any suggestions ? Try switching to xorg-server-1.8.2 and xorg-drivers-1.8 Make sure the udev use flag is enabled. Hope this helps Yes, it did ! -- Between 3 machines with different specs, it's difficult to keep track of every detail: I updated to the latest testing version of everything, incl Xinit the 3 specific driver pkgs, added 'udev' to the list in make.conf , the overlooked detail. I had forgotten how recently I removed Hal from my regular machine -- 100703 -- that I had to upgrade to 1.8 versions before doing so. Thanks to Walt too, who also offered advice. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo
On 2010-09-05, John Blinka john.bli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a new laptop - one that will run Gentoo straightforwardly, of course. I really liked the 1600x1200 display on this machine, which I greatly prefer to the 1600x900 display on the more modern Inspiron 1545 I own. Most of what I do now is through a web browser, and I can see much more of a web page with 1200 lines of display than I can with 900. And I dislike the massive width of the 1545 which makes it much less portable than the old 8200. I'd love to replace my 8200 with a machine of similar dimensions, but thinner and lighter. However, I cannot find any machine on Dell's website with a 4x3 aspect ratio - they all seem to be approximately 16x9 now. So, is 16x9 all that's available now in laptops? Yup, and 16x9 sucks -- it's just an excuse to ship smaller, lower-resolution displays labelled with bigger numbers. Complete ripoff. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo
2010/9/5 John Blinka john.bli...@gmail.com: Hi, all, My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a new laptop - one that will run Gentoo straightforwardly, of course. I really liked the 1600x1200 display on this machine, which I greatly prefer to the 1600x900 display on the more modern Inspiron 1545 I own. Most of what I do now is through a web browser, and I can see much more of a web page with 1200 lines of display than I can with 900. And I dislike the massive width of the 1545 which makes it much less portable than the old 8200. I'd love to replace my 8200 with a machine of similar dimensions, but thinner and lighter. However, I cannot find any machine on Dell's website with a 4x3 aspect ratio - they all seem to be approximately 16x9 now. So, is 16x9 all that's available now in laptops? If I'm stuck with a 16x9 aspect ratio, then I'd like to get something significantly narrower and more portable than my 1545 (14.75, 37.5 cm wide) and with as many horizontal lines in the display as possible. Any suggestions? The typical recommondation I read is Thinkpad. Do a general search for linux laptops. I.e. I find: http://linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lctp.html Maybe look at ebay. Al
Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED: problem with PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI
On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 10:14:18 +0100 Stroller wrote: On 4 Sep 2010, at 15:32, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:15:01 +0100, Stroller wrote: Needed to use: PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=use...@mydomain.com mymailserver.com I've got it without that, Portage 2.1.8.3. $ grep ELOG /etc/make.conf PORTAGE_ELOG_CLASSES=warn error log PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM=save mail PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=root PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILFROM=port...@hex $ Works fine here. Are you running a mailserver on localhost? Well, David's problem is SOLVED now, so I'm not sure that it matters, but yes. I assumed he would also have to be running a sendmail-replacement for the example he gave to work: echo testing use...@mydomain.com | \ mail -stesting use...@mydomain.com use...@mydomain.com I kinda assumed his problem was that `mail` would provide a valid sender address, whereas the upstream ISP might reject mails from portage with a dodgy from address. Stroller. OP here ... Having my own domain, I run my own mailserver -- but it's not on my gentoo development machine. I read the emerge python code, specifically mail.py, to find how PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI is handled. Reading the code lead me to (finally) realize that I need to have a PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI value with two (2) fields separated by a space character. David
[gentoo-user] Trying to configure alsa for INTEL HDA (ATI)
Hi, on my mobo there is the following audio related PCI-items (exerpt from lspci): 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40) The current lsmod gives me: snd_hda_codec_atihdmi 1807 0 snd_pcm_oss32995 0 nvidia 10064990 28 snd_hda_intel 17672 0 snd_hda_codec 58749 2 snd_hda_codec_atihdmi,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 4666 1 snd_hda_codec gspca_ov534 8259 0 gspca_main 21185 1 gspca_ov534 pcspkr 1359 0 snd_pcm57410 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_page_alloc 5565 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm I did an alsaconf- and update-modules-reboot-cycle, but the only thing I get with alsamixer are four bars: master,pcm,capture,digital Seems a little too less for high definit audio, or ? Ok, there is sound...but I would had expected a little more for that HD-thingy... What did I wrong here? What frog I have to kiss to get back a princess? ;) Hardware/Software: Linux kerenl 2.6.34.6 (vanilla) alsa-utils/alsa-lib 1.0.23 Mobo: ASUS Crosshair IV formula Thanks in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED: problem with PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI
David Relson writes: Having my own domain, I run my own mailserver -- but it's not on my gentoo development machine. I read the emerge python code, specifically mail.py, to find how PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI is handled. Reading the code lead me to (finally) realize that I need to have a PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI value with two (2) fields separated by a space character. There is some documentation in /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example: # PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI: this variable holds all important settings for the mail # module. In most cases listing the recipient address and # the receiving mailserver should be sufficient, but you can # also use advanced settings like authentication or TLS. The # full syntax is: # address [[user:pas...@]mailserver[:port]] # where # address:recipient address # user: username for smtp auth (defaults to none) # passwd: password for smtp auth (defaults to none) # mailserver: smtp server that should be used to deliver the mail (defaults to localhost) # alternatively this can also be a the path to a sendmail binary if you don't want to use smtp # port: port to use on the given smtp server (defaults to 25, values 10 indicate that starttls should be used on (port-10)) # Examples: #PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=r...@localhost localhost (this is also the default setting) #PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=u...@some.domain mail.some.domain (sends mails to u...@some.domain using the mailserver mail.some.domain) #PORTAGE_ELOG_MAILURI=u...@some.domain user:sec...@mail.some.domain:100465 (this is left uncommented as a reader exercise ;) Wonko
[gentoo-user] Re: creating ssh account without directory browsing
Hi, Young padawan Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com spoke: Everytime I uncomment: ChrootDirectory /work and I try to connect, I receive this message on the console: Write failed: Broken pipe Any ideas?! Yes RTFM and Google :) man sshd_config and look at ChrootDirectory entry: cite All components of the pathname must be root-owned directories that are not writable by any other user or group. After the chroot, sshd(8) changes the working directory to the user's home directory/cite Here an Ubuntu forum which handles the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1482005 kalkin- -- Paranoid sein heisst frei sein (Hal Faber)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:18 on Sunday 05 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: On 2010-09-05, John Blinka john.bli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a new laptop - one that will run Gentoo straightforwardly, of course. I really liked the 1600x1200 display on this machine, which I greatly prefer to the 1600x900 display on the more modern Inspiron 1545 I own. Most of what I do now is through a web browser, and I can see much more of a web page with 1200 lines of display than I can with 900. And I dislike the massive width of the 1545 which makes it much less portable than the old 8200. I'd love to replace my 8200 with a machine of similar dimensions, but thinner and lighter. However, I cannot find any machine on Dell's website with a 4x3 aspect ratio - they all seem to be approximately 16x9 now. So, is 16x9 all that's available now in laptops? Yup, and 16x9 sucks -- it's just an excuse to ship smaller, lower-resolution displays labelled with bigger numbers. Complete ripoff. If you have 16:9 at 1280*720, then yes, it is going to suck. There is nothing inherently wrong with the aspect ratio, please desist from trying to make it so. There are good reasons for it. It most easily fits the overall dimensions of the machine, you have a wide and not very deep keyboard plus space for a touchpad and palm rests. It's all approximately 16:9. I paid the extra to get 16:9 @ 1920x1200. Best thing I ever did laptop-wise - I can get two webpages side by side on the screen looking very natural. Did you know that 16:9 is the eye's natural aspect ratio? Test it sometime with outstreched fingers. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:18 on Sunday 05 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: On 2010-09-05, John Blinka john.bli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a new laptop - one that will run Gentoo straightforwardly, of course. I really liked the 1600x1200 display on this machine, which I greatly prefer to the 1600x900 display on the more modern Inspiron 1545 I own. Most of what I do now is through a web browser, and I can see much more of a web page with 1200 lines of display than I can with 900. And I dislike the massive width of the 1545 which makes it much less portable than the old 8200. I'd love to replace my 8200 with a machine of similar dimensions, but thinner and lighter. However, I cannot find any machine on Dell's website with a 4x3 aspect ratio - they all seem to be approximately 16x9 now. So, is 16x9 all that's available now in laptops? Yup, and 16x9 sucks -- it's just an excuse to ship smaller, lower-resolution displays labelled with bigger numbers. If you have 16:9 at 1280*720, then yes, it is going to suck. There is nothing inherently wrong with the aspect ratio, please desist from trying to make it so. There are good reasons for it. It most easily fits the overall dimensions of the machine, you have a wide and not very deep keyboard plus space for a touchpad and palm rests. It's all approximately 16:9. I paid the extra to get 16:9 @ 1920x1200. Best thing I ever did laptop-wise - I can get two webpages side by side on the screen looking very natural. I agree with the thrust of Alan's reply, but his numbers require nonsquare pixels. With square pixels 16x9 is 1920x1080 (so called full HD is 1080p). This is my laptop's display. My big (30) monitor is 16x10 (2560x1600) and is a joy to use. I prefer the current wide aspect ratio better then the previous 4x3 standard. allan
[gentoo-user] [Chong Yidong] Re: bug#6987: 23.2; failure adding --group-directories-first to dired-listing-switches
Chong has fixed this *already*. allan ---BeginMessage--- Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu writes: emacs -Q (setq dired-listing-switches --group-directories-first -l) M-x dired Although typing s in dired correctly alternates the sorting between by name and by date, the mode line always says by date Thanks, I've checked in a fix. ---End Message---
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo
On 2010-09-05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:18 on Sunday 05 September 2010, Grant Edwards did opine thusly: On 2010-09-05, John Blinka john.bli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all, My trusty Inspiron 8200 is on death's door and so I'm looking for a new laptop - one that will run Gentoo straightforwardly, of course. I really liked the 1600x1200 display on this machine, which I greatly prefer to the 1600x900 display on the more modern Inspiron 1545 I own. Most of what I do now is through a web browser, and I can see much more of a web page with 1200 lines of display than I can with 900. And I dislike the massive width of the 1545 which makes it much less portable than the old 8200. I'd love to replace my 8200 with a machine of similar dimensions, but thinner and lighter. However, I cannot find any machine on Dell's website with a 4x3 aspect ratio - they all seem to be approximately 16x9 now. So, is 16x9 all that's available now in laptops? Yup, and 16x9 sucks -- it's just an excuse to ship smaller, lower-resolution displays labelled with bigger numbers. Complete ripoff. If you have 16:9 at 1280*720, then yes, it is going to suck. There is nothing inherently wrong with the aspect ratio, please desist from trying to make it so. Yes, there is an inherent problem: in order to get what I consider acceptable vertical size/resolution you have to buy something that's rediculously wide. There are good reasons for it. It most easily fits the overall dimensions of the machine, you have a wide and not very deep keyboard plus space for a touchpad and palm rests. It's all approximately 16:9. No it's not. At least only on any of my laptops. I suppose you can tack on a useless numeric keypat to try to take up some of the extra horizontal space that's required in order to get a screen that's tall enough to be useful. I paid the extra to get 16:9 @ 1920x1200. Best thing I ever did laptop-wise - I can get two webpages side by side on the screen looking very natural. Did you know that 16:9 is the eye's natural aspect ratio? How do you explain the widespread popularity of portrait mode for printed material? Text is much easier to read in tall, narrow, columns. The more lines of code you can see at once when editing source code, the fewer the bugs. Both those have been experimentally verified. Test it sometime with outstreched fingers. I still vastly prefer 4:3 for all of the work I do. I guess if you want to watch movies, and you don't mind hauling around a useless numeric keypad, 16:9 is nice. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: advice sought on new laptop for Gentoo
How do you explain the widespread popularity of portrait mode for printed material? Text is much easier to read in tall, narrow, columns. The more lines of code you can see at once when editing source code, the fewer the bugs. Both those have been experimentally verified. And I like to have two documents open side by side. It has been verified, that writing code und tests side by side reduces bugs much more than debugging after writing the code. Al
[gentoo-user] How to fix circular dependency?
This box hasn't been updated in awhile:
# emerge -uDtav1k portage
* IMPORTANT: 1 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
* Use eselect news to read news items.
These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[nomerge ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.8.3 [2.1.6.4] USE=-python3%
[nomerge ] dev-lang/python-2.6.5-r3 [2.4.4-r14, 2.5.2-r7]
USE=berkdb gdbm ipv6 ncurses readline ssl threads (wide-unicode) xml
-build -doc -examples -sqlite -tk -wininst
[nomerge ] app-admin/eselect-python-20100321
[nomerge ]sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r2 [4.1.2] USE=mudflap nptl openmp
(-altivec) -bootstrap -build -doc (-fixed-point) -fortran -gcj -graphite
-gtk (-hardened) (-libffi) (-multilib) -multislot (-n32) (-n64) -nls
-nocxx -objc -objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla
[ebuild U ] sys-libs/glibc-2.11.2 [2.6.1] USE=-gd% -vanilla%
[ebuild NS ] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r2 [4.1.2] USE=mudflap nptl
openmp (-altivec) -bootstrap -build -doc (-fixed-point) -fortran -gcj
-graphite -gtk (-hardened) (-libffi) (-multilib) -multislot (-n32) (-n64)
-nls -nocxx -objc -objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla
* Error: circular dependencies:
('ebuild', '/', 'sys-libs/glibc-2.11.2', 'merge') depends on
('ebuild', '/', 'sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r2', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r2', 'merge') depends on
('ebuild', '/', 'sys-libs/glibc-2.11.2', 'merge') (hard)
* Note that circular dependencies can often be avoided by temporarily
* disabling USE flags that trigger optional dependencies.
--
Aj.
Re: [gentoo-user] How to fix circular dependency?
Ajai Khattri wrote:
This box hasn't been updated in awhile:
# emerge -uDtav1k portage
* IMPORTANT: 1 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
* Use eselect news to read news items.
These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[nomerge ] sys-apps/portage-2.1.8.3 [2.1.6.4] USE=-python3%
[nomerge ] dev-lang/python-2.6.5-r3 [2.4.4-r14, 2.5.2-r7]
USE=berkdb gdbm ipv6 ncurses readline ssl threads (wide-unicode) xml
-build -doc -examples -sqlite -tk -wininst
[nomerge ] app-admin/eselect-python-20100321
[nomerge ]sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r2 [4.1.2] USE=mudflap nptl
openmp (-altivec) -bootstrap -build -doc (-fixed-point) -fortran -gcj
-graphite -gtk (-hardened) (-libffi) (-multilib) -multislot (-n32)
(-n64) -nls -nocxx -objc -objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla
[ebuild U ] sys-libs/glibc-2.11.2 [2.6.1] USE=-gd% -vanilla%
[ebuild NS ] sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r2 [4.1.2] USE=mudflap nptl
openmp (-altivec) -bootstrap -build -doc (-fixed-point) -fortran -gcj
-graphite -gtk (-hardened) (-libffi) (-multilib) -multislot (-n32)
(-n64) -nls -nocxx -objc -objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla
* Error: circular dependencies:
('ebuild', '/', 'sys-libs/glibc-2.11.2', 'merge') depends on
('ebuild', '/', 'sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r2', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r2', 'merge') depends on
('ebuild', '/', 'sys-libs/glibc-2.11.2', 'merge') (hard)
* Note that circular dependencies can often be avoided by temporarily
* disabling USE flags that trigger optional dependencies.
Try this:
emerge -1av =*glibc*-2.10.1-r1
Then try to finish the upgrade.
Hope that helps.
Dale
:-) :-)
