Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 03:13:37AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: What size is that screen? Can you attach a screen shot? I have 1920x1080 on everything but this laptop (1440x900), and use 23 screens at work. Still, I just can't seem to like any setup with more than one thing on the screen at a time. My desktop has GKrellM with width 100 on the right hand side. It's a 24 monitor. Screenshot attached. I'm migrating over to UZBL as my web browser, if you wonder why it looks unfamiliar. As per my sig, I don't use a fancy DE. I use ICEWM. One nice feature is the menu+launch bar which only pops up when I bring the mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen. The rest of the time it stays out of the way. I also have multiple workspaces, and keep related stuff open in their own workspaces. Maybe what you're looking for is a different type of 1440 monitor, namely a 27 2560x1440 display. Drool. Available from $600 and up at Best Buy here in Toronto. Probably significantly cheaper in the USA. Thanks for the screenshot. I use Fluxbox on all comps except this laptop, where Xfce4 has been a test to see if it's a DE that I could support for people migrating from Windows. The Linux DEs are really quite poor in quality compared to Windows. For my own workstation, urxvt with tabs is my main app. For years now I've had irssi running in one of it's tabs, but now I'm wanting to see it at the same time as wherever else I'm working. To achieve that, irssi needs to come out of that urvxt instance, and I haven't decided how I want to do that yet. Today 1920x1080 on a 23 screen still doesn't look like a large working environment. Maybe if I'd never had greater resolution on 17 and 19 CRTs, and come from 1024x768 on a 15 LCD, I'd think it HUGE. Part of the issue is that I've gotten used to using apps open fullscreen (sans GKrellM) on this size desktop, so whenever I put two apps side-by-side something gets lost. I'm sure in time it would grow on me, just as I've now, in the last year or less, gotten okay with using a second workspace (first time in 10 years with Fluxbox). It's exclusively for Teamviewer, though. As for a 27 2560x1440 display for $600 ... cold day in Hades comes to mind. IMO $200 is _very_expensive_ for a computer monitor, unless you're doing high end graphics work in Adobe products for commercial printing and need color calibration. But then, you'd not be using a Linux OS for that. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Video card with two ports.
On 30/10/2013 04:32, Dale wrote: Howdy, Quick question. I have a Nvidia GeForce GT 220 video card. It has a VGA and a HDMI connection. My question, if I hook a monitor to each port, they will both have the same pic right? Depends on the card. It might have two processors[1], one for each output then it will be dual-head and you can have different output to each. Or it might have one processor and two outputs coming from the same place. That's the same picture on both, call this dual-screen if you will. ignore what Google says. Read the actual nVidia spec sheet, that tells you what you really have. Also, I have not hooked anything to the HDMI port yet, does it just work or do I have to set something for it to work in xorg.conf or something. Modern xorg is a case of plug it in and it works. I suppose you *could* configure things so that the output becomes disabled, but that would be a really thick thing to do, and I've yet to find anyone who did it :-) From what I have found on google, the first question is that both will be the same. I'm not sure on the second question. [1] for lack of a better word :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] video display problem
Last night my laptop began having two problems. First, when I paste with middle-click of the mouse into Firefox, there is no output on the screen for about 2-3 seconds. In Libreoffice it takes about 7-8s, and then the mouse cursor doesn't change from the I-beam back to the pointer for another 2s or so. Pasting into urvxt seems instantaneous, although last night I did have some issues with a tab or urxvt where I had ssh'ed into a server running irssi in screen -- the backspace key seemed to be stuck, but that stopped after I did a ^A^D and then screen -dx 17169.pts-3.server. Second, there is an image from Workspace 1 showing up on top of the app running in Workspace 2. The first screenshot I took to show this had the xfce-extra/xfce4-screenshooter app appearing there, also. I've used it many times and never saw this behavior. I tried another screenshot to move it off the app (which, btw, is Teamviewer), to show that it was still in the desktop area, and it left these whatever you call it's in the second screenshot. Actually, in the second screenshot you can't see anything that was dragged off of the Teamviewer (open app) area, just whatever is on it. Yesterday this laptop had four updates: dev-libs/gmp-5.1.2 media-video/ffmpeg-1.0.7 net-firewall/iptables-1.4.20 app-admin/logrotate-3.8.6 All of them are stable amd64, and there were no USE flag changes to them or to make.conf. It seems ffmpeg is the only one of those that could have caused it, so I thought to downgrade and see. However, there doesn't seem to be any downgrade path for ffmpeg: mingdao@baruch ~ $ eshowkw media-video/ffmpeg Keywords for media-video/ffmpeg: | | u| | a a p s | n| | l m h i m m p s p | u s | r | p d a p a 6 i p c 3 a x | s l | e | h 6 r p 6 8 p p 6 9 s r 8 | e o | p | a 4 m a 4 k s c 4 0 h c 6 | d t | o -+---+--+--- 0.10.9 | ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ o o ~ ~ o o ~ ~ | o 0.10 | gentoo -+---+--+--- [I]1.0.7 | + + + + + o ~ + + o o + + | o 0 | gentoo 1.0.8 | ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ o o ~ ~ | o| gentoo 1.2.3 | o ~ ~ ~ o o ~ ~ ~ o o o ~ | #| gentoo 1.2.4 | o ~ ~ ~ o o ~ ~ ~ o o o ~ | o| gentoo -+---+--+--- [M]2.0.2 | ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ o o ~ ~ | o 0/52.55.55 | gentoo [M] | o o o o o o o o o o o o o | o| gentoo -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting attachment: workspace1-over-workspace2.pngattachment: workspace1-over-workspace2-02.png
Re: [gentoo-user] Video card with two ports.
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 02:40:15PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/10/2013 04:32, Dale wrote: Howdy, Quick question. I have a Nvidia GeForce GT 220 video card. It has a VGA and a HDMI connection. My question, if I hook a monitor to each port, they will both have the same pic right? Depends on the card. It might have two processors[1], one for each output then it will be dual-head and you can have different output to each. Or it might have one processor and two outputs coming from the same place. That's the same picture on both, call this dual-screen if you will. ignore what Google says. Read the actual nVidia spec sheet, that tells you what you really have. Well, even the teensie bitty graphics inside my netbook can manage two separate screens between which windows can be moved around, albeit with limited pixel count (1400x1050 is the maximum for external monitor). I can't imagine there's anything weaker on the graphics market these days than an Atom IGP from a few years ago. That's within a single xorg session though, I never tried separate xorgs per output. $ xrandr --output LVDS --auto --primary --output VGA --left-of LVDS --auto would give me two screens, the primary on the internal screen and on the VGA output the second one which is logically placed left of the internal picture. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. Which animal can add? An Octoplus. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] video display problem
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 08:22:39AM -0500, Bruce Hill wrote: Last night my laptop began having two problems. First, when I paste with middle-click of the mouse into Firefox, there is no output on the screen for about 2-3 seconds. In Libreoffice it takes about 7-8s, and then the mouse cursor doesn't change from the I-beam back to the pointer for another 2s or so. Pasting into urvxt seems instantaneous, although last night I did have some issues with a tab or urxvt where I had ssh'ed into a server running irssi in screen -- the backspace key seemed to be stuck, but that stopped after I did a ^A^D and then screen -dx 17169.pts-3.server. Second, there is an image from Workspace 1 showing up on top of the app running in Workspace 2. The first screenshot I took to show this had the xfce-extra/xfce4-screenshooter app appearing there, also. I've used it many times and never saw this behavior. I tried another screenshot to move it off the app (which, btw, is Teamviewer), to show that it was still in the desktop area, and it left these whatever you call it's in the second screenshot. Actually, in the second screenshot you can't see anything that was dragged off of the Teamviewer (open app) area, just whatever is on it. Yesterday this laptop had four updates: dev-libs/gmp-5.1.2 media-video/ffmpeg-1.0.7 net-firewall/iptables-1.4.20 app-admin/logrotate-3.8.6 All of them are stable amd64, and there were no USE flag changes to them or to make.conf. It seems ffmpeg is the only one of those that could have caused it, so I thought to downgrade and see. However, there doesn't seem to be any downgrade path for ffmpeg: mingdao@baruch ~ $ eshowkw media-video/ffmpeg Keywords for media-video/ffmpeg: | | u| | a a p s | n| | l m h i m m p s p | u s | r | p d a p a 6 i p c 3 a x | s l | e | h 6 r p 6 8 p p 6 9 s r 8 | e o | p | a 4 m a 4 k s c 4 0 h c 6 | d t | o -+---+--+--- 0.10.9 | ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ o o ~ ~ o o ~ ~ | o 0.10 | gentoo -+---+--+--- [I]1.0.7 | + + + + + o ~ + + o o + + | o 0 | gentoo 1.0.8 | ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ o o ~ ~ | o| gentoo 1.2.3 | o ~ ~ ~ o o ~ ~ ~ o o o ~ | #| gentoo 1.2.4 | o ~ ~ ~ o o ~ ~ ~ o o o ~ | o| gentoo -+---+--+--- [M]2.0.2 | ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ o o ~ ~ | o 0/52.55.55 | gentoo [M] | o o o o o o o o o o o o o | o| gentoo News ... I stopped Teamviewer and the bad behavior stopped. I restarted it and all seems well, atm. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
[gentoo-user] Re: Does Acrobat Reader work for anyone?
Nikos Chantziaras realnc at gmail.com writes: Since quite a while ago (months), acroread stopped working. It won't start up at all. No error messages are shown. It just aborts. No window is showing up. Perhaps a license issue? # Modify /etc/portage/make.conf file for your system: ACCEPT_LICENSE=AdobeFlash-10.3 just a thought... hth, James
[gentoo-user] Pentoo overlay
Hello, Has anyone installed Pentoo, for penetration testing, as an overlay [1] on an existing Gentoo system? Or directly installed? I'm also interested in experiences and how folks rate Pentoo, compared to other distros targeted at Pentetration Potpouri. Supposedly, everything with Pentoo is hardened, streamlined and the installation CD puts ZFS on your system, for a very fast, cool and responsive time, either as an overlay or directly. Comments or background on those devs at Pentoo, I'd be most curious to read/hear about, as they say some pretty good things about the geentwo devs curiously, James [1] http://code.google.com/p/pentoo/wiki/PentooUpdater
[gentoo-user] Virtualization, security and Bare Metal
Hello, Some threads ago, I post on a tangent concerning some new ARM features on a thread about system (ricer motivated) minimiztion. Funning thing was the ricer never thought to read up on -O3 and the pitfalls therein. Oh well, I guess I thought I read somewhere that the ricers had left Gentoo? (Alan must be desperately recruiting talent -- in diapers). For those interested in Virtualization, on bare metal (below the OS) here, at the very bottom of the document is an interesting read on Embedded Virtualization and the inherent security risks: [1]. I'm not saying use of a VM is not viable or able to be secure, just pointing out where some folks, with deep pockets (at the foundrys), are preparing to put nefarious firmware for monitoring below the OS level. It's actually in a lot of processors right now. Anyone got a pointer of Gentoo on an FPGA? caveat emptor! hth, James [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor
[gentoo-user] Re: Does Acrobat Reader work for anyone?
On 31/10/13 16:16, James wrote: Nikos Chantziaras realnc at gmail.com writes: Since quite a while ago (months), acroread stopped working. It won't start up at all. No error messages are shown. It just aborts. No window is showing up. Perhaps a license issue? # Modify /etc/portage/make.conf file for your system: ACCEPT_LICENSE=AdobeFlash-10.3 Nah. I have it set to *.
[gentoo-user] Re: Pentoo overlay
James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: Has anyone installed Pentoo? WOW ! You've got to check out pentoo-installer. It puts a hardened kernel and toolchain and XFCE onto a system, very clean and easy.. The only difference I've see so far is make.conf is in /etc/portage/. When I perform a routine update (emerge --sync) it'll be an updated gentoo system, based on Hardened Just too F*__ing cool. Caveats? Common Anyone got a better/cooler rapid install? This is stupid easy. (ME_likes_it). Who says there is no Gentoo installer out there. Only thing I missed is the ZFS option so it's on ext4 until I find out what to do during the install to get ZFS set up correctly. Who says a bunch of hacks, aren't the coolest kids on the block? -- one happy old fart,
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I fix wrong boot order?
On 30-Oct-13 2:49, Dustin C. Hatch wrote: So how can I fix it on the 1st server, so that syslog-ng starts after network interface is up? I would probably fix this by adding rc_need=net to /etc/conf.d/syslog-ng That's probably cleanest solution. Thanks, it worked like a charm! The only thing that remains mystery for me is: why on my other servers syslog-ng is started after network even without this trick? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Pentoo overlay
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 05:24:55PM +, James wrote: The only difference I've see so far is make.conf is in /etc/portage/. mingdao@server ~ $ eselect news read 5 2012-09-09-make.conf-and-make.profile-move Title make.conf and make.profile move AuthorJorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org Posted2012-09-09 Revision 1 Starting next week, new stages will have make.conf and make.profile moved from /etc to /etc/portage. This is a change in the installation defaults, that will only affect new installs so it doesn't affect current systems. Current users don't need to do anything. But if you want to follow the preferred location, you may want to take the chance to move the files in your system(s) to the new location. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
[gentoo-user] Re: Pentoo overlay
Bruce Hill daddy at happypenguincomputers.com writes: Starting next week, new stages will have make.conf and make.profile moved from /etc to /etc/portage. This is a change in the installation defaults, that will only affect new installs so it doesn't affect current systems. Yep, forgot bout that. I also remembered (after I posted) that some folks have always used the portage/ for make.conf. This is good news, as so far, Pentoo, looks like a gentoo install, focued on Security. Anyone got any other feedback where Pentoo has deviated from Gentoo? Deviated in a significant way? -- still researching this new puppy! thx, James
[gentoo-user] OT : HP Preps 64-Bit ARM Server
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319942itc=eetimes_node_195cid=NL_EET_CommDL_20131031elq=fe77091a3eee4d1e83358277e4e7f39celqCampaignId=2099 Everyone better get some sort of gentoo running on some sort or ARM processor. Distro bragging rights hang int void() Opps, I forgot to cast a null pointer int* ptr = (void *Redmond)0 ha ha ha James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video card with two ports.
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 07:31:04AM -0500, Bruce Hill wrote Today 1920x1080 on a 23 screen still doesn't look like a large working environment. Maybe if I'd never had greater resolution on 17 and 19 CRTs, and come from 1024x768 on a 15 LCD, I'd think it HUGE. Part of the issue is that I've gotten used to using apps open fullscreen (sans GKrellM) on this size desktop, so whenever I put two apps side-by-side something gets lost. I'm sure in time it would grow on me, just as I've now, in the last year or less, gotten okay with using a second workspace (first time in 10 years with Fluxbox). It's exclusively for Teamviewer, though. I doggedly stuck with one workspace, until the running-programs tabs on the launchpad became ridiculously crowded. Then I went to the opposite extreme, and now have 11 workspaces. Each workspace has related stuff open in it. As for a 27 2560x1440 display for $600 ... cold day in Hades comes to mind. IMO $200 is _very_expensive_ for a computer monitor, unless you're doing high end graphics work in Adobe products for commercial printing and need color calibration. But then, you'd not be using a Linux OS for that. Give it a year or 2, and the price will come down. Back in my more foolish days, in a previous century, I paid over $1,000 (including tax) for a 19 NEC MultiSync 95 CRT monitor and it still works today. See http://www.cueproductions.com/forsale/NECMultiSync.html http://lahore.saintclassified.pk/nec-multisync-95-19-crt-monitor-conditon-good-ad-390941 -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
[gentoo-user] vim and gvim package split
I guess this is an already debated topic, but I only found this very old thread on the subject: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/4328 which contains the original communication of the ebuild split and some discussions and observations that probably are no more applicable. I'm absolutely convinced that one of the gentoo strengths is the USE variable handling compile time options, so I do not see any points to split packages when not absolutely needed. In case of vim-core/vim/gvim (and vim-qt?), I cannot understand the reason... Are still there advantages in doing so? Thanks for your time -- Alessandro DE LAURENZIS [mailto:just22@gmail.com] LinkedIn: http://it.linkedin.com/in/delaurenzis
Re: [gentoo-user] vim and gvim package split
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:02:12PM +0100, Alessandro DE LAURENZIS wrote I guess this is an already debated topic, but I only found this very old thread on the subject: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/4328 which contains the original communication of the ebuild split and some discussions and observations that probably are no more applicable. I'm absolutely convinced that one of the gentoo strengths is the USE variable handling compile time options, so I do not see any points to split packages when not absolutely needed. In case of vim-core/vim/gvim (and vim-qt?), I cannot understand the reason... Are still there advantages in doing so? Thanks for your time While you're at it, can you ***PLEASE*** get rid of the ewarn message WARN: postinst Note that the English word lists are no longer installed by default. It's been in there for what seems like forever. I just checked /var/log/portage/elog on the PC hooked up to my TV set. I installed Gentoo on it June 22nd, 2010. The message was in there back then. That's over 3 years!!! Enough already. I go through the messages in /var/portage/elog after every update. It's annoying to have that same old message polluting the logs. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] did python-r1 improve user experience?
On Sun, Oct 27 2013, Mike Gilbert wrote: Making things just work is complex when trying to juggle 6 or more supported versions/implementations of python. Indeed. We have tried to explain the magic make.conf lines in the Python user guide. https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python/python-r1/user-guide.xml We also try to make sure that most users never have to touch PYTHON_TARGETS, etc; the default values provided by your profile are set up to allow *stable* python2.7 and python3.2 to work properly. ~arch users are expected to read the docs. ^_^ I am a ~amd64 user and I just read the user-guide. :-) I do not see any action items for my system; but do see a large number of reinstalls proposed by emerge I do not change any python variables in make.conf so emerge --info shows PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_2 a recursive grep -i for python in /etc/portage yields only ./package.use/imaging-pillow:5:virtual/python-imaging -python_targets_python3_2 So I basically have the default except for the imaging/pillow business. I note that update world wants to rebuild a bunch of packages (the entire output is below). Some are qt-related others involve PYTHON_TARGETS. Does this mean that I can let the 44 packages / 38 reinstalls update occur and expect a running system to result? It is unusual, but I realize not unprecedented, to have so many reinstalls and I would like to confirm that this is expected. thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] video display problem
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 08:22:39AM -0500, Bruce Hill wrote Last night my laptop began having two problems. First, when I paste with middle-click of the mouse into Firefox, there is no output on the screen for about 2-3 seconds. In Libreoffice it takes about 7-8s, and then the mouse cursor doesn't change from the I-beam back to the pointer for another 2s or so. Pasting into urvxt seems instantaneous, although last night I did have some issues with a tab or urxvt where I had ssh'ed into a server running irssi in screen -- the backspace key seemed to be stuck, but that stopped after I did a ^A^D and then screen -dx 17169.pts-3.server. Run a top session, and see what's eating cpu/memory. Second, there is an image from Workspace 1 showing up on top of the app running in Workspace 2. Are you running an Nvidia video card with their proprietary driver? Youtube, even static/paused Youtube images would cause that on such a setup I once had. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] video display problem
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:57:14PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: Are you running an Nvidia video card with their proprietary driver? Youtube, even static/paused Youtube images would cause that on such a setup I once had. I already fixed it and answered my own thread. ;) And, no, I feel the same way about Nvidia as Mr. Torvalds. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
[gentoo-user] OT: Flash+nspluginwrapper versus Gnash comparisons?
I'm getting rather annoyed with Firefox. I don't want to get into that flamewar right now. I'm trying to migrate to UZBL. The latest git version is a lot better than the stale stable version. The uzbl- ebuild is broken (yes, I've filed a bug), so I pull directly from git and build and install to ~/.local. It's a steep learning curve, and I've gradually resolved almost every issue. The last reason to have Firefox or Opera hanging around is Flash. I subscribe to NHL GameCenter Live and Live365.com, so Flash functionality is mandatory for me. The git version of UZBL requires a recent version of webkit, which requires gtk3. Flash is a gtk2 program, so it doesn't work. I've heard that the 2 options are... 1) Running Flash in nspluginwrapper 2) Using Gnash to replace Flash How are people's experiences with the 2 options above? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
