Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 03.01.2014 08:34, schrieb Alan McKinnon:

> BFQ for both is the recommendation.
> 
> But do try it both ways to see how it performs and compare.

sure, thanks.

So I edit my udev-rules (and could leave them away and simply compile
bfq in as default if needed).




Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 09:25, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 03.01.2014 07:52, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
>> On 03/01/2014 00:46, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>>> BFQ only for the SSDs ?
>>
>> Yes. The scheduler knows how to deal with SSDs while keeping everything
>> responsive even under load.
>>
>> BFQ seems a good fit for your workcase - desktop/laptop. For those,
>> interactive performance is the most important thing.
> 
> So you set BFQ for the SSDs and CFQ for the hdds ? I have both in my
> desktop.
> 
> 
> 
> 

BFQ for both is the recommendation.

But do try it both ways to see how it performs and compare.

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 03.01.2014 07:52, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> On 03/01/2014 00:46, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
>> BFQ only for the SSDs ?
> 
> Yes. The scheduler knows how to deal with SSDs while keeping everything
> responsive even under load.
> 
> BFQ seems a good fit for your workcase - desktop/laptop. For those,
> interactive performance is the most important thing.

So you set BFQ for the SSDs and CFQ for the hdds ? I have both in my
desktop.




Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 00:46, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 02.01.2014 23:39, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> 
>> Give BFQ a try, set USE=experimental in *-sources to patch the source
>>
>> euses -sf experimental giove further info and links
> 
> thanks for the hint ...
> 
> edited USE-flags and re-emerging sources ...
> 
> BFQ only for the SSDs ?
> 
> 
> 


Yes. The scheduler knows how to deal with SSDs while keeping everything
responsive even under load.

BFQ seems a good fit for your workcase - desktop/laptop. For those,
interactive performance is the most important thing.


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Preparing a shared USB stick

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 01:02, Chris Stankevitz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Please consider a USB "stick" that is unformatted but is to be used by
> multiple people/machines.  Ideally your instructions will work for all
> people/os/WM, but if necessary please assume that everyone is running
> gnome under linux
> 
> 1. How should I prepare this device so that it can be plugged into any
> machine and will be writable by anyone?  I suspect the answer will
> involve words like fdisk, mkfs.xxx, mkdir/mount, chmod/chown.  I'm
> most interested in the chmod/chown part.
> 
> 2. How can I prepare the device so that files/directories added by
> people in the future will continue to be writable by anyone?
> 
> 3. How can I ensure that all files will appear to have the same owner;
> or, if this is not important, can you explain why it should not be a
> problem.
> 
> And of course if you can refer me to a document that explains this I'm
> happy to read it.



Just go with FAT and automounting by the DE.

It's a removeable stick, the user has it in their hands so the entire
concept of security is instantly null and void right there. Forget all
about /etc/fstab, mount options user and user, mount options mask, fmask
and dmask. Instead, put each user that needs to use it in the plugdev or
disk group as appropriate and let the DE do the heavy lifting; and
remove from fstab anything and everything related to removeable USB sticks.

If you let the DE do the automounting for you, you get a filemanager
window (dolphin, nautilus and friends) and the contents of the stick are
visible right there, ready to use, all set up correctly.

DO NOT USE NTFS ON A STICK. The driver has been reverse-engineered and
there is no guarantee that writing to it under anything that isn't
Windows will work. FAT is a published standard and we all know how it works.

tl;dr

You don't need chown/chmod at all. FAT has no concept of owner and
permissions, so the kernel fudges these. Basically, when mounting the
stick it pretends every file on it is owned by the user that mounted it
and everything has permissions 777, regardless of who plugged it in.
Considering the nature of a USB stick, this is almost always what you want.

Don't bother partitioning the stick either, Windows treats them as one
huge floppy and so should you. You will normally only ever have one
partition anyway, so why have any at all? The code supports this. To
format it in Linux, do this:

mkfs.vfat -I /dev/

Stay far away from /etc/fstab. That file was designed ages ago for
permanent mounts, like / and /usr and /home. To work properly, you must
be able to uniquely identify any device and never get it confused. You
just can't do that with sticks, not even with fs labels, and you
certainly don't want to hand-edit UUIDs. And you still have to deal with
users having different uids on each machine. Ugh. The DE just makes all
this hassle go away.

If your sticks are larger than 32G, you might want to use exFAT instead
of FAT - think of it as FAT that can deal with huge disks properly:

emerge sys-fs/fuse-exfat

you will need FUSE support in your kernel for this.


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Preparing a shared USB stick

2014-01-02 Thread Francisco Ares
2014/1/2 Mateusz Kowalczyk 

> On 02/01/14 23:02, Chris Stankevitz wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Please consider a USB "stick" that is unformatted but is to be used by
> > multiple people/machines.  Ideally your instructions will work for all
> > people/os/WM, but if necessary please assume that everyone is running
> > gnome under linux
>
> Well, if it ideally should work across multiple operating systems,
> you're probably stuck with FAT32 or similar due to Windows.
>
> > 1. How should I prepare this device so that it can be plugged into any
> > machine and will be writable by anyone?  I suspect the answer will
> > involve words like fdisk, mkfs.xxx, mkdir/mount, chmod/chown.  I'm
> > most interested in the chmod/chown part.
>
> If you go with FAT, there's no notion of ownership (I believe) so it's
> not a problem. If you don't, I still don't think chmod/chown matters
> as long as the user has the permissions to write to the stick when
> mounted on their own machine. I might be wrong though!
>
> > 2. How can I prepare the device so that files/directories added by
> > people in the future will continue to be writable by anyone?
>
> Likewise, I think they'll be able to as long as they have the
> permission to write to the mounted stick _on their own machine_.
>
> > 3. How can I ensure that all files will appear to have the same owner;
> > or, if this is not important, can you explain why it should not be a
> > problem.
>
> I think it's not a problem, at least not with FAT.
>
> > And of course if you can refer me to a document that explains this I'm
> > happy to read it.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
> I'm not an expert but hopefully this helps to at least steer you in
> the right direction. I used multiple USB sticks across multiple
> machines across multiple systems in the past and I never had any
> ownership concerns that you do. The only issues were if one of the
> systems couldn't read the file format used.
>
> --
> Mateusz K.
>
>

As far as I know, in a Gentoo system, any user in the group "disk" will be
able to read/write to any USB stick plugged into the computer, with no
ownership to any written file. In Linux (at least), as users are internally
treated as numbers, those would not match from one system to another, so
there is no meaning in a user owning a file in a removable device.

I would suggest to format tat USB stick using NTFS, as it will be possible
to use its compression (to write a compressed file is, AFAIK, exclusive to
Windows, but any NTFS file, compressed or not, is readable under Linux -
including Android, I already tested it, and also my Blu-Ray player with USB
connection is able to read my NTFS formated USB stick).

Hope this helps
Francisco


[gentoo-user] Re: recommendation sought for external disk

2014-01-02 Thread walt
On 01/01/2014 03:28 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 01 2014, walt wrote:
> 
>> On 01/01/2014 02:07 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
>>> My home desktop has had a seagate external 750GB drive ST3750640cbrk for
>>> a number of years and the disk is starting to fail.
>>
>> Maybe I'm weird or something but I've never once had a hard drive fail
>> gradually/gracefully.  They all just stop working, usually when I power
>> the machine on for the first time in the morning.
>>
>> What warning is the disk giving you of early failure?
> 
> First it wouldn't mount in during startup.
> 
> Then I tried switching the USB ports on the desktop and rebooted.
> It mounted but fsck took forever with pauses.

The open-source culture in general seems to frown upon promotion of
proprietary software (as opposed to proprietary hardware) so I usually
avoid recommending proprietary software.

But, based on reports I consider reliable (how's them for weasel words!)
I'd suggest that Spin-Rite has a chance of restoring that drive to normal
function.  ("Has a chance" == more weasel words).

Anyway, consider buying Spin-Rite here:

https://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm

My own hard drives usually fail catastrophically within the the first month,
so I just return them for replacement under warranty.  But if I ever have
an older drive fail I will certainly use Spin-Rite before giving up hope.





[gentoo-user] Re: how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Holger Hoffstätte
On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 00:59:29 +0200, Anton Shumskyi wrote:

> Hi, there is a native queuing at my INTEL SSD 64GB, so i'v set "noop"
> scheduler via udev rules. And it's kind a luggish when deleting a lot files
> like kernel sources (at ext4,xfs,btrfs, FS makes no difference, some cheap

That's the discard setting. Since kernel 3.8.x the block layer sends TRIMs
synchronously and this totally tanked performance. Just run without discard
and run fstrim nightly.

> hardware stuff)​. Will test some day another scheduler like "deadline" on

Will not help in this case.

-h




Re: [gentoo-user] coolest mp3 player?

2014-01-02 Thread v_2e
  Hello!

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 17:16:22 + (UTC)
james  wrote:
> Well, I have not kept up on mp3/wav/ portable players,
> so your input as to a Gentoo friendly device is welcome. A miniture
> video screen is not necessary, and keeping costs down is desired.
> Google for this said device leaves me with this scant choices:
> 
> Sandisk has the Sansa Clip +
> 
  I have been using this model for several years and I am just fond of
it. It has a great hardware quality (at least, its playback part), and
by installing the RockBox on it you obtain a very powerful software
which you can even customize by yourself.
  It is also GNU/Linux-friendly, since the latest versions of RockBox
feature the complete USB exchange support, and you can copy the
files just like to a regular USB flash drive.
  I recommend this player to everybody, especially to the people who
appreciate free software. 
  My only doubt is whether these players are still available on the
market or  not. Sansa Clip+ is a rather old model.

  Regards,
 Vladimir

-
v_2e 



Re: [gentoo-user] Preparing a shared USB stick

2014-01-02 Thread Mateusz Kowalczyk
On 02/01/14 23:02, Chris Stankevitz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Please consider a USB "stick" that is unformatted but is to be used by
> multiple people/machines.  Ideally your instructions will work for all
> people/os/WM, but if necessary please assume that everyone is running
> gnome under linux

Well, if it ideally should work across multiple operating systems,
you're probably stuck with FAT32 or similar due to Windows.

> 1. How should I prepare this device so that it can be plugged into any
> machine and will be writable by anyone?  I suspect the answer will
> involve words like fdisk, mkfs.xxx, mkdir/mount, chmod/chown.  I'm
> most interested in the chmod/chown part.

If you go with FAT, there's no notion of ownership (I believe) so it's
not a problem. If you don't, I still don't think chmod/chown matters
as long as the user has the permissions to write to the stick when
mounted on their own machine. I might be wrong though!

> 2. How can I prepare the device so that files/directories added by
> people in the future will continue to be writable by anyone?

Likewise, I think they'll be able to as long as they have the
permission to write to the mounted stick _on their own machine_.

> 3. How can I ensure that all files will appear to have the same owner;
> or, if this is not important, can you explain why it should not be a
> problem.

I think it's not a problem, at least not with FAT.

> And of course if you can refer me to a document that explains this I'm
> happy to read it.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris
>

I'm not an expert but hopefully this helps to at least steer you in
the right direction. I used multiple USB sticks across multiple
machines across multiple systems in the past and I never had any
ownership concerns that you do. The only issues were if one of the
systems couldn't read the file format used.

--
Mateusz K.



Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 02.01.2014 23:59, schrieb Anton Shumskyi:

> And the best guide is at Arch wiki=) As always=)
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives

been there before ;-)





[gentoo-user] Preparing a shared USB stick

2014-01-02 Thread Chris Stankevitz
Hello,

Please consider a USB "stick" that is unformatted but is to be used by
multiple people/machines.  Ideally your instructions will work for all
people/os/WM, but if necessary please assume that everyone is running
gnome under linux

1. How should I prepare this device so that it can be plugged into any
machine and will be writable by anyone?  I suspect the answer will
involve words like fdisk, mkfs.xxx, mkdir/mount, chmod/chown.  I'm
most interested in the chmod/chown part.

2. How can I prepare the device so that files/directories added by
people in the future will continue to be writable by anyone?

3. How can I ensure that all files will appear to have the same owner;
or, if this is not important, can you explain why it should not be a
problem.

And of course if you can refer me to a document that explains this I'm
happy to read it.

Thank you,

Chris



Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Anton Shumskyi
Hi, there is a native queuing at my INTEL SSD 64GB, so i'v set "noop"
scheduler via udev rules. And it's kind a luggish when deleting a lot files
like kernel sources (at ext4,xfs,btrfs, FS makes no difference, some cheap
hardware stuff)​. Will test some day another scheduler like "deadline" on
top of native one at hardware, it's some kernel overhead but hope system
will not freeze for half a minute or more at high I/O

For me best performance was at XFS, but for you ZFS (or less stable BTRFS)
may be a better choice if you have powerful enough CPU, my 2 core + HT
Intel Atom is too slow for it =(

and fstab options for my XFS (discard = trim option)
attr2,discard,inode64,noquota,relatime

And the best guide is at Arch wiki=) As always=)
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives


Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 02.01.2014 23:39, schrieb Alan McKinnon:

> Give BFQ a try, set USE=experimental in *-sources to patch the source
> 
> euses -sf experimental giove further info and links

thanks for the hint ...

edited USE-flags and re-emerging sources ...

BFQ only for the SSDs ?



Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 00:23, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 02.01.2014 23:17, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> 
>> Before you test other fs's, do you use BFQ? What IO scheduler do you use?
> 
> for SSD(s): noop
> for HDD(s): cfq
> 
> both triggered/set via udev-rules
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Give BFQ a try, set USE=experimental in *-sources to patch the source

euses -sf experimental giove further info and links



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 02.01.2014 23:17, schrieb Alan McKinnon:

> Before you test other fs's, do you use BFQ? What IO scheduler do you use?

for SSD(s): noop
for HDD(s): cfq

both triggered/set via udev-rules





Re: [gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 03/01/2014 00:14, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> 
> I am running both my desktop and laptop on SSDs for years now.
> 
> I think I got the basic things right:
> 
> proper alignment of partitions, scheduler, TRIM (fstrim) ... you know.
> 
> Today I received my new and shiny Samsung 840 EVO and migrated my
> desktop to it (writing this very email running Gentoo on it).
> 
> I use ext4 for / and /home ... with "noatime", yes.
> 
> I wonder if I should test another filesystem for /home or even / ...
> maybe XFS? The system is snappy and works fine, I just wonder if another
> fs would perform better with SSDs ?
> 
> Any opinions?
> 
> Greets, Stefan
> 
> 
> 


Before you test other fs's, do you use BFQ? What IO scheduler do you use?


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




[gentoo-user] how to use my SSD the right way ;-)

2014-01-02 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger

I am running both my desktop and laptop on SSDs for years now.

I think I got the basic things right:

proper alignment of partitions, scheduler, TRIM (fstrim) ... you know.

Today I received my new and shiny Samsung 840 EVO and migrated my
desktop to it (writing this very email running Gentoo on it).

I use ext4 for / and /home ... with "noatime", yes.

I wonder if I should test another filesystem for /home or even / ...
maybe XFS? The system is snappy and works fine, I just wonder if another
fs would perform better with SSDs ?

Any opinions?

Greets, Stefan



Re: [gentoo-user] coolest mp3 player?

2014-01-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 02.01.2014 18:16, schrieb james:
> Well, I have not kept up on mp3/wav/ portable players,
> so your input as to a Gentoo friendly device is welcome. A miniture
> video screen is not necessary, and keeping costs down is desired.
> Google for this said device leaves me with this scant choices:
>
> Sandisk has the Sansa Clip +

isn't bad. Just put rockbox on it.

The only reason I stopped using it:
in the car, I have stereo
At home, my computer provides the music



Re: [gentoo-user] coolest mp3 player?

2014-01-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 17:16:22 + (UTC), james wrote:

> Well, I have not kept up on mp3/wav/ portable players,
> so your input as to a Gentoo friendly device is welcome. A miniture
> video screen is not necessary, and keeping costs down is desired.
> Google for this said device leaves me with this scant choices:
> 
> Sandisk has the Sansa Clip +
> 
> Cowon iAudio 10
> 
> Creative's Zen Touch 2
> 
> I definately need something simple; able to copy  files
> from a gentoo system over to the device with ease. I thinking of a
> robust application (gui) that runs on my gentoo box for file format
> changes, then easy copy to the device, in folders, playlists,
> management etc etc. Support for many various audio file formats is a
> plus, either in the management (gui) api or on the device, natively.

I used to use a Sansa Clip and really like it. It is a straightforward
USB mass storage device so you can copy file with your favourite GUI or
plain old rsync. It also plays Ogg Vorbis as well as MP3.

The only reason I stopped using it is that I now use my phone to listen
to music.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

If I save time, when do I get it back?


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[gentoo-user] coolest mp3 player?

2014-01-02 Thread james

Well, I have not kept up on mp3/wav/ portable players,
so your input as to a Gentoo friendly device is welcome. A miniture
video screen is not necessary, and keeping costs down is desired.
Google for this said device leaves me with this scant choices:

Sandisk has the Sansa Clip +

Cowon iAudio 10

Creative's Zen Touch 2

I definately need something simple; able to copy  files
from a gentoo system over to the device with ease. I thinking of a robust
application (gui) that runs on my gentoo box for file format changes, then
easy copy to the device, in folders, playlists, management etc etc.
Support for many various audio file formats is a plus, either in the
management (gui) api or on the device, natively.

I do not want anything crippled by apple, Sony, Redmond..

Possibly a custom cover for a Rasberry PI or something
commercial or  is fine.


I also have a large collection of audio recordings I want to
be able to put into folders on the device, that are not
commercial.


James




[gentoo-user] Re: PHP 5.3, 5.4 and 5.5

2014-01-02 Thread James
Tanstaafl  libertytrek.org> writes:


> I have a VM running in the cloud that has an old web/php app (10+ years 
> old, believe it or not), that still runs fine on apache 2.2.25, but I 
> pinned php to 5.3 some time ago.

googling for "vulnerabilities in php 5.3"
yeilded many interesting links. Here is one:

http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-74/product_id-128/version_id-97802/PHP-PHP-5.3.3.html



> Does anyone see any big potential gotchas (major changes) with php 5.4, 
> or even 5.5, if I were to upgrade it?

Security wise, there are many tools for testing the security of
your web server, hopefully, you are concurrent on your server
testing:

http://projects.webappsec.org/w/page/13246988/Web Application Security
Scanner List

open source list at the bottom



Google for php--bugs to see if any related to your
servers.

If what you have done is secure, then it *should* be ok, just
monitor and watch your logs closely for a while.

hth,
James






Re: [gentoo-user] recommendation sought for external disk

2014-01-02 Thread gottlieb
On Thu, Jan 02 2014, Helmut Jarausch wrote:

> On 01/01/2014 11:07:22 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
>> My home desktop has had a seagate external 750GB drive ST3750640cbrk  
>> for
>> a number of years and the disk is starting to fail.  The system gets
>> only modest usage.  It is powered on about 1/2 the time and the disk
>> often goes significant periods without activity so it spins down.
>> 
>> I was considering what seagate calls an "expansion hard drive".  They
>> are USB 3, but I will be using only USB 2.
>
> If you have a free expansion slot I'd install a (very cheap) USB 3  
> adapter.
> There is a tremendous difference in speed compared to USB 2.
>
> Data transfer to my (quite recent) external USB 3 drives is about 130  
> MB/s
> (measured by iotop) which is faster than for my built in SATA 3 drives.
>
> Helmut

Thanks for the advice (and numbers).  I do have a slot and may follow
your suggestion.  My only reluctance is that the disk gets such light
usage that I don't notice its slowdown compared to my internal faster
disk.  So I have pause if opening the case is justified.

But again, thanks for your helpful msg.
allan



Re: [gentoo-user] PHP 5.3, 5.4 and 5.5

2014-01-02 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 01/02/2014 07:46 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a VM running in the cloud that has an old web/php app (10+ years
> old, believe it or not), that still runs fine on apache 2.2.25, but I
> pinned php to 5.3 some time ago.
> 
> Does anyone see any big potential gotchas (major changes) with php 5.4,
> or even 5.5, if I were to upgrade it?
> 

If it runs *cleanly* on PHP 5.3, then it will be fine with PHP 5.5.
Enable all warnings with PHP 5.3 and see what it tells you.

A number of things were removed between 5.3 and 5.5, but you will be
warned about them in 5.3.

  * http://us1.php.net/manual/en/migration54.incompatible.php

  * http://us1.php.net/manual/en/migration55.incompatible.php




Re: [gentoo-user] PHP 5.3, 5.4 and 5.5

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 02/01/2014 15:36, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-01-02 8:15 AM, Alan McKinnon  wrote:
>> On 02/01/2014 14:46, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a VM running in the cloud that has an old web/php app (10+ years
>>> old, believe it or not), that still runs fine on apache 2.2.25, but I
>>> pinned php to 5.3 some time ago.
>>>
>>> Does anyone see any big potential gotchas (major changes) with php 5.4,
>>> or even 5.5, if I were to upgrade it?
> 
>> Impossible to say without seeing your php code. Potentially there are
>> many changes.
>>
>> You'd be better off doing the heavy lifting yourself first:
>>
>> 1. read all the changelogs
>> 2. run it in a staging vm with php5.5 and see what happens
> 
> Actually, I was just thinking of doing #2 on the dev server (no dev
> going on, but I had this set up some time ago when we moved the
> production server to linode, so now at least I can test things without
> breaking the production system), and if it breaks, just downgrade back
> to 5.3...
> 
> That assumes, of course...
> 
> Is php difficult to downgrade after an upgrade?

I don't see why not, all three are in the tree and supported (and it's
not glibc)

It might take a few goes through the emerge && depclean cycle to get it
back to a working state but it should all sort out eventually. And you
can always quickpkg things that get upgraded before doing the emerge.

Even better, use a VM and snapshot it.


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] PHP 5.3, 5.4 and 5.5

2014-01-02 Thread covici
You can have more than one 
Tanstaafl  wrote:


> > On 02/01/2014 14:46, Tanstaafl wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have a VM running in the cloud that has an old web/php app (10+ years
> >> old, believe it or not), that still runs fine on apache 2.2.25, but I
> >> pinned php to 5.3 some time ago.
> >>
> >> Does anyone see any big potential gotchas (major changes) with php 5.4,
> >> or even 5.5, if I were to upgrade it?
> 
> > Impossible to say without seeing your php code. Potentially there are
> > many changes.
> >
> > You'd be better off doing the heavy lifting yourself first:
> >
> > 1. read all the changelogs
> > 2. run it in a staging vm with php5.5 and see what happens
> 
> Actually, I was just thinking of doing #2 on the dev server (no dev
> going on, but I had this set up some time ago when we moved the
> production server to linode, so now at least I can test things without
> breaking the production system), and if it breaks, just downgrade back
> to 5.3...
> 
> That assumes, of course...
> 
> Is php difficult to downgrade after an upgrade?
You can have more than one version of php at a time, now.  See the
portage news items for details.  You will need PHP_TARGETS variable to
decide which ones you want to work with.


-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com



Re: [gentoo-user] PHP 5.3, 5.4 and 5.5

2014-01-02 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2014-01-02 8:15 AM, Alan McKinnon  wrote:

On 02/01/2014 14:46, Tanstaafl wrote:

Hi all,

I have a VM running in the cloud that has an old web/php app (10+ years
old, believe it or not), that still runs fine on apache 2.2.25, but I
pinned php to 5.3 some time ago.

Does anyone see any big potential gotchas (major changes) with php 5.4,
or even 5.5, if I were to upgrade it?



Impossible to say without seeing your php code. Potentially there are
many changes.

You'd be better off doing the heavy lifting yourself first:

1. read all the changelogs
2. run it in a staging vm with php5.5 and see what happens


Actually, I was just thinking of doing #2 on the dev server (no dev 
going on, but I had this set up some time ago when we moved the 
production server to linode, so now at least I can test things without 
breaking the production system), and if it breaks, just downgrade back 
to 5.3...


That assumes, of course...

Is php difficult to downgrade after an upgrade?

Thx Alan...



Re: [gentoo-user] PHP 5.3, 5.4 and 5.5

2014-01-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 02/01/2014 14:46, Tanstaafl wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a VM running in the cloud that has an old web/php app (10+ years
> old, believe it or not), that still runs fine on apache 2.2.25, but I
> pinned php to 5.3 some time ago.
> 
> Does anyone see any big potential gotchas (major changes) with php 5.4,
> or even 5.5, if I were to upgrade it?
> 
> Thx
> 
> 
> 

Impossible to say without seeing your php code. Potentially there are
many changes.

You'd be better off doing the heavy lifting yourself first:

1. read all the changelogs
2. run it in a staging vm with php5.5 and see what happens

some folks might be in a position to tell you what happened to them with
such an upgrade, but that's only a partial picture, you'd still have to
deal with what *your* code does

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] NFS & static ports - driving me crazy...

2014-01-02 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2014-01-02 7:48 AM, Tanstaafl  wrote:

On 2014-01-02 7:38 AM, William Kenworthy  wrote:

Try this:

# /etc/conf.d/nfs


Thanks Bill, I will...

But what do I need to restart to test the changes? I'd rather not have
to reboot every time...

Is it just rpcbind? Or do I need to restart nfs/nfsmmount too? Others?

Thanks... hope I can get this resolved...


Made the above changes, restarted rpcbind, current nfs mounts 
successfully unmounted, but failed to remount, and the OUTBOUND firewall 
now shows a different port being used/blocked (this time it was UDP 51804...






Re: [gentoo-user] NFS & static ports - driving me crazy...

2014-01-02 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2014-01-02 7:38 AM, William Kenworthy  wrote:

Try this:

# /etc/conf.d/nfs


Thanks Bill, I will...

But what do I need to restart to test the changes? I'd rather not have 
to reboot every time...


Is it just rpcbind? Or do I need to restart nfs/nfsmmount too? Others?

Thanks... hope I can get this resolved...



[gentoo-user] PHP 5.3, 5.4 and 5.5

2014-01-02 Thread Tanstaafl

Hi all,

I have a VM running in the cloud that has an old web/php app (10+ years 
old, believe it or not), that still runs fine on apache 2.2.25, but I 
pinned php to 5.3 some time ago.


Does anyone see any big potential gotchas (major changes) with php 5.4, 
or even 5.5, if I were to upgrade it?


Thx



Re: [gentoo-user] NFS & static ports - driving me crazy...

2014-01-02 Thread William Kenworthy
Try this:

# /etc/conf.d/nfs

# If you wish to set the port numbers for lockd,
# please see /etc/sysctl.conf

# Optional services to include in default `/etc/init.d/nfs start`
# For NFSv4 users, you'll want to add "rpc.idmapd" here.
NFS_NEEDED_SERVICES="rpc.idmapd"

# Number of servers to be started up by default
OPTS_RPC_NFSD="8"

# Options to pass to rpc.mountd
# ex. OPTS_RPC_MOUNTD="-p 32767"
OPTS_RPC_MOUNTD="-p 4000"

# Options to pass to rpc.statd
# ex. OPTS_RPC_STATD="-p 32765 -o 32766"
OPTS_RPC_STATD="-p4001 -o4002" #-p 4000"

# Options to pass to rpc.idmapd
OPTS_RPC_IDMAPD=""

# Options to pass to rpc.gssd
OPTS_RPC_GSSD=""

# Options to pass to rpc.svcgssd
OPTS_RPC_SVCGSSD=""

# Options to pass to rpc.rquotad (requires sys-fs/quota)
OPTS_RPC_RQUOTAD=""

# Timeout (in seconds) for exportfs
EXPORTFS_TIMEOUT=30


in /etc/sysctl.conf:
...
# TCP Port for lock manager
fs.nfs.nlm_tcpport = 4003
# UDP Port for lock manager
fs.nfs.nlm_udpport = 4003



asterisk ~ # rpcinfo -p
   program vers proto   port  service
104   tcp111  portmapper
103   tcp111  portmapper
102   tcp111  portmapper
104   udp111  portmapper
103   udp111  portmapper
102   udp111  portmapper
1000241   udp   4001  status
1000241   tcp   4001  status
151   udp   4000  mountd
151   tcp   4000  mountd
152   udp   4000  mountd
152   tcp   4000  mountd
153   udp   4000  mountd
153   tcp   4000  mountd
132   tcp   2049  nfs
133   tcp   2049  nfs
132   udp   2049  nfs
133   udp   2049  nfs
1000211   udp   4003  nlockmgr
1000213   udp   4003  nlockmgr
1000214   udp   4003  nlockmgr
1000211   tcp   4003  nlockmgr
1000213   tcp   4003  nlockmgr
1000214   tcp   4003  nlockmgr
asterisk ~ #


BillK




On 02/01/14 19:23, Tanstaafl wrote:
> No one?
> 
> Another reboot, and had to open up OUTGOING port 57212 this time.
> 
> Why are the static ports I'm assigning not being used?
> 
> On 2013-12-31 8:11 AM, Tanstaafl  wrote:
>> On 2013-12-31 7:30 AM, Tanstaafl  wrote:
>>> I've made the following changes to the following config files:
>>>
>>> /etc/conf.d/nfs
>>>
>>> OPTS_RPC_MOUNTD="-p 32767"
>>> OPTS_RPC_STATD="-p 32765 -o 32766"
>>>
>>> I've also changed the lockd ports
>>>
>>> /etc/sysctl.conf
>>>
>>> # You should compile nfsd into the kernel or add it
>>> # to modules.autoload for this to work properly
>>> # TCP Port for lock manager
>>> fs.nfs.nlm_tcpport = 4001
>>> # UDP Port for lock manager
>>> fs.nfs.nlm_udpport = 4001
>>>
>>> But when I try to mount the remote filesystem, I see the outbound
>>> request being blocked by the firewall.
>>>
>>> If I open up the port in the firewall, it mounts immediately.
>>>
>>> But after a reboot, the next time I try mounting it, some other random
>>> port shows up in the firewall logs...
>>>
>>> This can't be all that difficult... I must be missing something obvious.
>>
>>   # rpcinfo -p
>> program vers proto   port  service
>>  104   tcp111  portmapper
>>  103   tcp111  portmapper
>>  102   tcp111  portmapper
>>  104   udp111  portmapper
>>  103   udp111  portmapper
>>  102   udp111  portmapper
>>  1000241   udp  32765  status
>>  1000241   tcp  32765  status
>>
>> Again, this system is NOT running an NFS SERVER, I am only trying to use
>> the nfs CLIENT to mount a remote NFS share - so, is the above what I
>> should expect to see? something tells me no...
>>
>> Shouldn't the lockd ports be showing up to?
>>
> 
> 




Re: [gentoo-user] NFS & static ports - driving me crazy...

2014-01-02 Thread Tanstaafl

No one?

Another reboot, and had to open up OUTGOING port 57212 this time.

Why are the static ports I'm assigning not being used?

On 2013-12-31 8:11 AM, Tanstaafl  wrote:

On 2013-12-31 7:30 AM, Tanstaafl  wrote:

I've made the following changes to the following config files:

/etc/conf.d/nfs

OPTS_RPC_MOUNTD="-p 32767"
OPTS_RPC_STATD="-p 32765 -o 32766"

I've also changed the lockd ports

/etc/sysctl.conf

# You should compile nfsd into the kernel or add it
# to modules.autoload for this to work properly
# TCP Port for lock manager
fs.nfs.nlm_tcpport = 4001
# UDP Port for lock manager
fs.nfs.nlm_udpport = 4001

But when I try to mount the remote filesystem, I see the outbound
request being blocked by the firewall.

If I open up the port in the firewall, it mounts immediately.

But after a reboot, the next time I try mounting it, some other random
port shows up in the firewall logs...

This can't be all that difficult... I must be missing something obvious.


  # rpcinfo -p
program vers proto   port  service
 104   tcp111  portmapper
 103   tcp111  portmapper
 102   tcp111  portmapper
 104   udp111  portmapper
 103   udp111  portmapper
 102   udp111  portmapper
 1000241   udp  32765  status
 1000241   tcp  32765  status

Again, this system is NOT running an NFS SERVER, I am only trying to use
the nfs CLIENT to mount a remote NFS share - so, is the above what I
should expect to see? something tells me no...

Shouldn't the lockd ports be showing up to?






Re: [gentoo-user] recommendation sought for external disk

2014-01-02 Thread Helmut Jarausch

On 01/01/2014 11:07:22 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
My home desktop has had a seagate external 750GB drive ST3750640cbrk  
for

a number of years and the disk is starting to fail.  The system gets
only modest usage.  It is powered on about 1/2 the time and the disk
often goes significant periods without activity so it spins down.

I was considering what seagate calls an "expansion hard drive".  They
are USB 3, but I will be using only USB 2.


If you have a free expansion slot I'd install a (very cheap) USB 3  
adapter.

There is a tremendous difference in speed compared to USB 2.

Data transfer to my (quite recent) external USB 3 drives is about 130  
MB/s

(measured by iotop) which is faster than for my built in SATA 3 drives.

Helmut