Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[R0b0t1]

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Dale  wrote:
> Danny YUE wrote:
>> On 2017-09-08 00:48, Adam Carter  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Danny YUE  wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I have been using FoxyProxy in Firefox for a really long time, until
 today I found its new version really sucks.

 Then I read the comment from author who declared that the old version
 can *only* be used before (roughly) end of 2017 before Firefox 57 and in
 new version some features must perish.

>>> I am assuming that most actively developed addons will be updated before 57
>>> drops, so the transition wont be too painful. Is the issue you're having
>>> with FoxyProxy related to it relying on features that are no longer
>>> available under the new framework?
>> Yes. The FoxyProxy author declared that some features are no long
>> available under the new framework.
>> I am really depressed about it because I just use that plugin every time
>> I use Firefox.
>>
>>
>>> This update will break my favorite extension, Vimperator. I am already
>>> looking at replacements for Firefox due to this. So far I have found
>>> qutebrowser which isn't really as featureful.
>>>
>>> R0b0t1.
>> I am using Keysnail, no idea whether or not it will be deprecated.
>>
>> If the features I want are blocked by the new framework, I'm afraid I
>> would lock the version (fortunately it's Gentoo) for a long time, until
>> I find replacement for plugins, or even Firefox...
>>
>> Danny
>>
>>
>
>
> It's been mentioned before in other threads recently, have you looked at
> Palemoon?  I have it installed here from a overlay.  I haven't checked
> on it recently but if this new plugin thing with Firefox leaves some of
> my plugins unusable, I may be looking at some other options myself.  I
> might add, Seamonkey is stepping on a nerve or two of mine as well.
>
> I've been wondering about this plugin thing myself since I heard about
> it a few weeks ago.  Sort of glad to see a discussion about it.  Hoping
> to find out what others think this is going to end up looking like.
>

Palemoon is a good mention. As I've expressed previously on
gentoo-user, I was concerned about using it due to the slow
application of security patches. Someone responded that this is no
longer the case.


If anyone has time to join some of the Mozilla mailing lists I think
it would be worth it to ask them about their decisions. They seem to
be making most of their choices without user input. To be fair, I
doubt there are many users on the development mailing lists.

In this case I actually think switching to WebExtensions addons is the
start of a good idea as I can see some of the benefit, but asking that
plans for adding back some of the now missing API be created sounds
like a good idea.

Hopefully I will have time to do this myself, but if anybody gets to
it before me that would be appreciated. I am extremely busy now. I'm
suggesting this here because it seems like people here will be
affected and know enough to hold a conversation with the developers
who are making decisions.

My personal experience with Mozilla is that no one is authorized to
make changes. So why are there changes?

Cheers,
 R0b0t1

Re: [gentoo-user] wireless software config problem

[allan gottlieb]

On Thu, Sep 07 2017, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM, allan gottlieb  wrote:
>>
>> My system runs gnome3/systemd.  I use NetworkManager, which is mostly
>> working fine.
>>
>> At work the desired network is named "nyu".  The sysadmins say I need to
>> change at least one security parameter.  When I open the gui it shows
>> the network configuration parameters (by clicking the gear) and lets me
>> select different values.  However the "Apply" button never becomes
>> active so I can only "Cancel".
>>
>> If I try to select the "nyu" network it asks for the password, which I
>> know and enter. I then click the appropriate button (something like
>> "apply" or "ok").  As expected the window goes away but I am not
>> connected and the window reappears.
>>
>> A "tip" from the sys admins at work is to somehow tell my system to
>> forget all it knows about the network "nyu", but neither I nor they know
>> how to do it (they don't "fully support" linux).
>
> I would try this:
>
> 1. Select the system menu (top right corner)
> 2. Select settings (lower left corner of the menu)
> 3. Select Network
> 4. Click the gears icon for the wireless network
> 5. Select the "Reset" option (last option available)
> 6. Click the "Forget" button
>
> This should allow you to start from the beginning. You should not need to
> muck around  around with permissions, it should Just Work™.
>
> Regards.
> --
> Dr. Canek Peláez Valdés

Thank you canek!

It is a little embarrassing since I got to the same screen as you see in
step 5 via a different path but didn't think of "reset".  Instead I
tried "security" and "identity", made my changes but could not "apply"
them.  I am back at nyu on tuesday and will definitely try your
suggestion.

Thank you again.
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Dale]

Danny YUE wrote:
> On 2017-09-08 00:48, Adam Carter  wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Danny YUE  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have been using FoxyProxy in Firefox for a really long time, until
>>> today I found its new version really sucks.
>>>
>>> Then I read the comment from author who declared that the old version
>>> can *only* be used before (roughly) end of 2017 before Firefox 57 and in
>>> new version some features must perish.
>>>
>> I am assuming that most actively developed addons will be updated before 57
>> drops, so the transition wont be too painful. Is the issue you're having
>> with FoxyProxy related to it relying on features that are no longer
>> available under the new framework?
> Yes. The FoxyProxy author declared that some features are no long
> available under the new framework.
> I am really depressed about it because I just use that plugin every time
> I use Firefox.
>
>
>> This update will break my favorite extension, Vimperator. I am already
>> looking at replacements for Firefox due to this. So far I have found
>> qutebrowser which isn't really as featureful.
>>
>> R0b0t1.
> I am using Keysnail, no idea whether or not it will be deprecated.
>
> If the features I want are blocked by the new framework, I'm afraid I
> would lock the version (fortunately it's Gentoo) for a long time, until
> I find replacement for plugins, or even Firefox...
>
> Danny
>
>


It's been mentioned before in other threads recently, have you looked at
Palemoon?  I have it installed here from a overlay.  I haven't checked
on it recently but if this new plugin thing with Firefox leaves some of
my plugins unusable, I may be looking at some other options myself.  I
might add, Seamonkey is stepping on a nerve or two of mine as well. 

I've been wondering about this plugin thing myself since I heard about
it a few weeks ago.  Sort of glad to see a discussion about it.  Hoping
to find out what others think this is going to end up looking like. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[R0b0t1]

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Danny YUE  wrote:
>
> On 2017-09-08 00:48, Adam Carter  wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Danny YUE  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have been using FoxyProxy in Firefox for a really long time, until
>>> today I found its new version really sucks.
>>>
>>> Then I read the comment from author who declared that the old version
>>> can *only* be used before (roughly) end of 2017 before Firefox 57 and in
>>> new version some features must perish.
>>>
>>
>> I am assuming that most actively developed addons will be updated before 57
>> drops, so the transition wont be too painful. Is the issue you're having
>> with FoxyProxy related to it relying on features that are no longer
>> available under the new framework?
>
> Yes. The FoxyProxy author declared that some features are no long
> available under the new framework.
> I am really depressed about it because I just use that plugin every time
> I use Firefox.
>
>
>> This update will break my favorite extension, Vimperator. I am already
>> looking at replacements for Firefox due to this. So far I have found
>> qutebrowser which isn't really as featureful.
>>
>> R0b0t1.
>
> I am using Keysnail, no idea whether or not it will be deprecated.
>
> If the features I want are blocked by the new framework, I'm afraid I
> would lock the version (fortunately it's Gentoo) for a long time, until
> I find replacement for plugins, or even Firefox...
>

I saw some people talking about creating a non-Mozilla LTS Firefox
version. I'm not sure how well that will work but I wish them luck. In
the case of Vimperator, it looks like a lot of the breaking changes
revolve around what you can and can't do to the UI. I run Vimperator
with 'gui="none,tabs"' which is something worth looking up if you
haven't seen it.

Keysnail looks nice but it seems like it doesn't modify the GUI.
There's a few Vim inspired addons for Firefox, but none of them are as
comprehensive as Vimperator. There's a lot of Vim mimicry that I'm not
even aware of in the addon, it's extremely comprehensive.

Thanks for the suggestion,
 R0b0t1.

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Danny YUE]

On 2017-09-08 00:48, Adam Carter  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Danny YUE  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have been using FoxyProxy in Firefox for a really long time, until
>> today I found its new version really sucks.
>>
>> Then I read the comment from author who declared that the old version
>> can *only* be used before (roughly) end of 2017 before Firefox 57 and in
>> new version some features must perish.
>>
>
> I am assuming that most actively developed addons will be updated before 57
> drops, so the transition wont be too painful. Is the issue you're having
> with FoxyProxy related to it relying on features that are no longer
> available under the new framework?

Yes. The FoxyProxy author declared that some features are no long
available under the new framework.
I am really depressed about it because I just use that plugin every time
I use Firefox.


> This update will break my favorite extension, Vimperator. I am already
> looking at replacements for Firefox due to this. So far I have found
> qutebrowser which isn't really as featureful.
>
> R0b0t1.

I am using Keysnail, no idea whether or not it will be deprecated.

If the features I want are blocked by the new framework, I'm afraid I
would lock the version (fortunately it's Gentoo) for a long time, until
I find replacement for plugins, or even Firefox...

Danny

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Adam Carter]

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Danny YUE  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have been using FoxyProxy in Firefox for a really long time, until
> today I found its new version really sucks.
>
> Then I read the comment from author who declared that the old version
> can *only* be used before (roughly) end of 2017 before Firefox 57 and in
> new version some features must perish.
>

I am assuming that most actively developed addons will be updated before 57
drops, so the transition wont be too painful. Is the issue you're having
with FoxyProxy related to it relying on features that are no longer
available under the new framework?

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[R0b0t1]

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 7:38 AM, konsolebox  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Danny YUE  wrote:
>> Afterwards I found that it seems Firefox 57 will use a new ecosystem for
>> extensions and be more strict for plugin developers.
>>
>> So Firefox gurus, what do you think about it?
>
> Not a guru, but if it's something that enhances add-on security
> without sacrificing flexibility, I don't mind.
>

I've seen some questionable choices w.r.t. security being made. Things
aren't being made less secure, but choices made in the interest of
security don't really seem to relate to it. The last big extension
update was like that. There was some easy way to get around the
sandbox that Mozilla made for Firefox.

This update will break my favorite extension, Vimperator. I am already
looking at replacements for Firefox due to this. So far I have found
qutebrowser which isn't really as featureful.

R0b0t1.

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Dale]

bytes...@monksofcool.net wrote:
> On 07.09.2017 23:24, Dale wrote:
>
>> So, it's on topic enough and let's leave it at that.
> Sigh. What you quoted was not part of the OP. To cut things short:
> *Plonk*
>
> -R
>



It's in the 5th message in the thread.  I quoted his reply to Ralph. 
Maybe you missed Ralph's reply??

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Mick]

On Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:24:09 BST Dale wrote:
> Ralph Seichter wrote:
> > On 07.09.17 22:04, Dale wrote:
> >> If he's using or planning to use Firefox on Gentoo, that is on topic.
> > 
> > If you read the OP again, you'll find that it had no relation to Gentoo
> > whatsoever. Danny himself agreed this is not the right mailing list, so
> > please let's leave it at that.
> > 
> > -Ralph
> 
> I also read this:
> > By the way I have not used Firefox 57 yet...
> > I have set keyword ~amd64 so my version is 55.0.2 currently.
> 
> To me, that looks like he is using Firefox on Gentoo and keeping it at a
> older version until he can find out where extensions are headed.  Since
> he seems to be using Gentoo, and Firefox on it, that's Gentoo related
> enough.  The question is about Firefox itself but still Gentoo related. 
> 
> So, it's on topic enough and let's leave it at that. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

We're dealing with all sorts of questions on this M/L.  I even recall a thread 
with a guy receiving advice how to tune his motorbike because it was misfiring 
on higher altitude (or something like that).  Of course, that was not the main 
topic he posted to ask help for, but while he was here it would be rude not to 
offer help to a fellow gentooer!  LOL!

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problems with XFCE probably after last update

[Alexey Eschenko]

Seems like part of my problems with XFCE are somehow related with Dropbox.

I have now installed net-misc/dropbox-34.4.20 (older version have same 
issue). If Dropbox is started than I'm seeing the error message and 
loosing the notification area. Even if I try to add it to the panel 
again it will fail to start. If I then kill dropbox process then 
notification area became available to start without any errors.


I managed to reproduce same behavior on my laptop.

I don't think it's dropbox-only problem. Seems like dropbox only causing 
some bug in XFCE panel to show itself.



On 08/28/2017 05:17 PM, Alexey Eschenko wrote:

Hi everyone.

I'm experiencing some strange problems after last XFCE update on my 
desktop system (and less on my laptop).


1. (desktop only) After DE startup I'm encountering error message 
telling me that Notification Area plugin unexceptedly stopped (or 
something like that) with two options: execute it again and remove 
from the panel.
1.1. Restarting does not help on regular basis. One time it works, but 
next time it keeps showing this dialogue window again and again until 
I close it (and notifications disappears from the panel).


2. (desktop and laptop) Some icons in "Launcher" plugin now doesn't 
shows (see: 
https://storage4.static.itmages.ru/i/17/0828/h_1503929343_8878570_d6da7a7763.png 
). Some of them are detected natively from default application icons 
and some of them was added/changed by me to ICO/PNG files.
2.1. Some icons are still shown in the Launcher settings while not 
shown in the pannel in the end (see: 
https://storage1.static.itmages.ru/i/17/0828/h_1503929483_5621165_a51b37f6fd.png 
)


3. (desktop only) At the same time when I first encountered problem #1 
I also discovered that "qTox" messenger now starts in two instances 
when on previous system boot it was only one. There is only one 
instance of "qTox" in the "Session and Startup" -> "Application 
Autostart". May be XFCE now fails to merge "Session" and "Application 
Autostart" data to prevent this type of situations? Strange thing is: 
this bug encounters only with qTox. Nothing else runs twice (at least 
I didn't see anything like that).




--
Kind regards,
Alexey Eschenko
https://skobk.in/

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Dale]

Ralph Seichter wrote:
> On 07.09.17 22:04, Dale wrote:
>
>> If he's using or planning to use Firefox on Gentoo, that is on topic.
> If you read the OP again, you'll find that it had no relation to Gentoo
> whatsoever. Danny himself agreed this is not the right mailing list, so
> please let's leave it at that.
>
> -Ralph
>
>


I also read this:

> By the way I have not used Firefox 57 yet...
> I have set keyword ~amd64 so my version is 55.0.2 currently.

To me, that looks like he is using Firefox on Gentoo and keeping it at a
older version until he can find out where extensions are headed.  Since
he seems to be using Gentoo, and Firefox on it, that's Gentoo related
enough.  The question is about Firefox itself but still Gentoo related. 

So, it's on topic enough and let's leave it at that. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Ralph Seichter]

On 07.09.17 22:04, Dale wrote:

> If he's using or planning to use Firefox on Gentoo, that is on topic.

If you read the OP again, you'll find that it had no relation to Gentoo
whatsoever. Danny himself agreed this is not the right mailing list, so
please let's leave it at that.

-Ralph

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Dale]

Ralph Seichter wrote:
> On 07.09.2017 15:20, Danny YUE wrote:
>
>> Well, I know it is not the perfect place but I don't want to spam my
>> inbox with Firefox topics, so that's why I don't subscribe that mail
>> list and am asking here. ;-)
> And you believe that spamming the inbox people interested in Gentoo
> (that's why we subscribed to this mailing list) is OK ? ;-) Seriously,
> this is completely off-topic here, so please use the appropriate mailing
> lists instead. Thanks.
>
> -Ralph
>

If he's using or planning to use Firefox on Gentoo, that is on topic. 
It is certainly not completely off-topic. 

I might add, using your logic, if a person has a question about the use
of or changes to any software, they should ask on the mailing list for
that software and not here on Gentoo lists.  The only topic that would
be on-topic would be questions about emerge/portage/openrc/and friends
since they are the only things that are Gentoo and doesn't come from
somewhere else.  A large portion of the software that people ask about,
including Firefox, comes from somewhere besides Gentoo.  Also, I've been
known to ask questions about M$ OSs before.  People here that use and
have a answer, they help where they can. 

Just my $0.02 worth.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Danny YUE]

On 2017-09-07 14:47, Ralph Seichter  wrote:
> On 07.09.2017 15:20, Danny YUE wrote:
>
>> Well, I know it is not the perfect place but I don't want to spam my
>> inbox with Firefox topics, so that's why I don't subscribe that mail
>> list and am asking here. ;-)
>
> And you believe that spamming the inbox people interested in Gentoo
> (that's why we subscribed to this mailing list) is OK ? ;-) Seriously,
> this is completely off-topic here, so please use the appropriate mailing
> lists instead. Thanks.
>
> -Ralph

Maybe this can be understood as "application software discussion in
Gentoo"? XD

Let's just stop here...sorry for any potential spam.


Danny

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Ralph Seichter]

On 07.09.2017 15:20, Danny YUE wrote:

> Well, I know it is not the perfect place but I don't want to spam my
> inbox with Firefox topics, so that's why I don't subscribe that mail
> list and am asking here. ;-)

And you believe that spamming the inbox people interested in Gentoo
(that's why we subscribed to this mailing list) is OK ? ;-) Seriously,
this is completely off-topic here, so please use the appropriate mailing
lists instead. Thanks.

-Ralph

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Danny YUE]

On 2017-09-07 13:00, Ralph Seichter  wrote:
> On 07.09.2017 14:26, Danny YUE wrote:
>
>> I have been using FoxyProxy in Firefox for a really long time, until
>> today I found its new version really sucks.
>
> If you're curious about Mozilla's move to the WebExtensions API, see
> https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/ . You'll
> probably have more in-depth discussions about this on other mailing
> lists, since it is not Gentoo-specific.
>
> -Ralph

Thanks so much for the link.

Well, I know it is not the perfect place but I don't want to spam my
inbox with Firefox topics, so that's why I don't subscribe that mail
list and am asking here. ;-)

By the way I have not used Firefox 57 yet...
I have set keyword ~amd64 so my version is 55.0.2 currently.


Danny

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Ralph Seichter]

On 07.09.2017 14:26, Danny YUE wrote:

> I have been using FoxyProxy in Firefox for a really long time, until
> today I found its new version really sucks.

If you're curious about Mozilla's move to the WebExtensions API, see
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/ . You'll
probably have more in-depth discussions about this on other mailing
lists, since it is not Gentoo-specific.

-Ralph

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Rasmus Thomsen]

Hi,

I feel like firefox 57 is an awesome release, it's finally competitive with 
chromium in terms of speed. It also looks a lot better than older ff versions ( 
IMO ). It's kinda sad that they broke the addon compatibility, but I guess that 
was required for progressing.

Regards,
Rasmus

 Original Message 
On 7 Sep 2017, 14:26, Danny YUE wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have been using FoxyProxy in Firefox for a really long time, until
> today I found its new version really sucks.
>
> Then I read the comment from author who declared that the old version
> can *only* be used before (roughly) end of 2017 before Firefox 57 and in
> new version some features must perish.
>
> Afterwards I found that it seems Firefox 57 will use a new ecosystem for
> extensions and be more strict for plugin developers.
>
> So Firefox gurus, what do you think about it?
>
> Danny

Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[konsolebox]

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Danny YUE  wrote:
> Afterwards I found that it seems Firefox 57 will use a new ecosystem for
> extensions and be more strict for plugin developers.
>
> So Firefox gurus, what do you think about it?

Not a guru, but if it's something that enhances add-on security
without sacrificing flexibility, I don't mind.

-- 
konsolebox

[gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57?

[Danny YUE]

Hi all,

I have been using FoxyProxy in Firefox for a really long time, until
today I found its new version really sucks.

Then I read the comment from author who declared that the old version
can *only* be used before (roughly) end of 2017 before Firefox 57 and in
new version some features must perish.

Afterwards I found that it seems Firefox 57 will use a new ecosystem for
extensions and be more strict for plugin developers.

So Firefox gurus, what do you think about it?


Danny