Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:34:52 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:00:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe > > the many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some > > cultures it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to > > a senior (replies have to go through intermediaries). > > Is this the culture in Alanland? ;-) > > Some of the citizens in AlansUserland believe that's the culture. Honest guv, I swear, it wasn't my doing! -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:00:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the > many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures > it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior > (replies have to go through intermediaries). Is this the culture in Alanland? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:16:56 -0400 Matthew Finkel wrote: > I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic > just seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam. > It definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to > the other suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you > don't know what is going on in their life and it may take a few days > to respond. Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we > should assume they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply). Dealing with foreign users can be interesting, triply so if they are not European/Caucasian. I have about 150 or so technical users throughout Africa (Nigerians are especially interesting) and their Support requests routinely end up in spam folders. These are ISP employees, you'd think the mail lines would work smoothly. Ah, not so. Until you work with foreign cultures you won't believe the many varied ways communication can veer off course. In some cultures it's considered rude for a junior to respond in any way to a senior (replies have to go through intermediaries). -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100 > schrieb Mick : > > > On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 > > > > > > schrieb Jonas de Buhr : > > > > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to > > > > help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds > > > > the behavior described above at least confusing? > > > > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. > > > > > > no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: > > > http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 > > > > > > Interesting! > > > > Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as > > we understand the question asked. Not everyone is blessed with good > > knowledge of the English language. > > i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do my > best to help as well. > > > The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have > > similar problems. > > right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;) > but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and > info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions? > it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the > usual way of solving problems is a cycle of "i am trying to do X > and receive error Y"->"hey, try Z"->"oh, now A happens"->"try B too" > etc. > > > Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would > > someone spam the list in this manner? It doesn't make sense. > > my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post > this comment in the first place. > what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using > the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as > far as reporting it. > > > So I > > am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a > > cultural (or personal) issue. > > possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn't > go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with > english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right) > and how they react to "hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude". > not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious. > > > I understand why you would think the OP is a spammer, but the topic just seems too genuine (to me at least) for this to actually be spam. It definitely would have been more polite if Lavender had replied to the other suggestions, but (assuming the thread is not spam) you don't know what is going on in their life and it may take a few days to respond. Just because the person is from China, doesn't mean we should assume they're a spammer (following Alan's last reply). -- Matthew Finkel
Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:08:19 +0200 Jonas de Buhr wrote: > what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using > the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went > as far as reporting it. Simplest possible answer: Chinese internet cafe's that use NAT. It only takes one regular to discover a halfway decent Chinese<->English translation site that does mail, and suddenly the cafe's entire regular customer base uses it. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:54:37 -0400 > schrieb Michael Mol : > >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Jonas de Buhr >> wrote: >> > hey guys, >> > >> > please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense. >> > can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads >> > some kind of trolling i don't get? >> > >> > it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are >> > ignored) combines loads of annoying qualities: >> > >> > - nondescriptive titles >> > - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even >> > subject changes >> > - no line-breaks >> > - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk) >> > - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored >> > - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented >> >> To me, the "Lavender's" messages read like someone is going through an >> automated translation tool to get between English and their native >> language. (In this case, Chinese) >> >> "Anyone can afford ... ?" sounds like bad forced translation between >> semantic idioms. >> >> "Anyone can afford information about build kernel" >> "Can anyone afford information about build kernel" >> "Can anyone spend time helping about build kernel" >> "Can anyone spend time helping me build my kernel" >> >> That explains the punctuation (poor translation tool(!)) and nebulous >> requests. > >> His responses indicated he was reading what had been sent in >> reply. >> His first reply and his second reply were closely related, and >> when commands were offered that allowed him to find the exact >> information he needed, he gave his third reply indicating he had what >> he needed. >> >> I'm using GMail as my email client, and threading and subject lines >> showed intact for me until your "this is spam" message following the >> one I'm replying to. > > interesting, so gmail is aware of the chinese equivalent of "Re" (回复) > but doesn't use the In-Reply-To: header correctly? The two replies I saw from him have these lines in their original headers: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel? Subject: [gentoo-user] =?gbk?B?u9i4tKO6IFtnZW50b28tdXNlcl0gQW55b25lIGNh?= =?gbk?B?biBhZmZvcmQgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gYWJvdXQgYnVp?= =?gbk?B?bGQga2VybmVsPw==?= So the second one definitely came through worse than the first, but (for whatever reason), GMail didn't signal a topic change. (Usually, it's pretty good about that) Maybe GMail was clever enough to pick up on something like X-Reply-Hash and tie it to a thread. Dunno. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:54:37 -0400 schrieb Michael Mol : > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Jonas de Buhr > wrote: > > hey guys, > > > > please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense. > > can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads > > some kind of trolling i don't get? > > > > it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are > > ignored) combines loads of annoying qualities: > > > > - nondescriptive titles > > - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even > > subject changes > > - no line-breaks > > - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk) > > - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored > > - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented > > To me, the "Lavender's" messages read like someone is going through an > automated translation tool to get between English and their native > language. (In this case, Chinese) > > "Anyone can afford ... ?" sounds like bad forced translation between > semantic idioms. > > "Anyone can afford information about build kernel" > "Can anyone afford information about build kernel" > "Can anyone spend time helping about build kernel" > "Can anyone spend time helping me build my kernel" > > That explains the punctuation (poor translation tool(!)) and nebulous > requests. > His responses indicated he was reading what had been sent in > reply. > His first reply and his second reply were closely related, and > when commands were offered that allowed him to find the exact > information he needed, he gave his third reply indicating he had what > he needed. > > I'm using GMail as my email client, and threading and subject lines > showed intact for me until your "this is spam" message following the > one I'm replying to. interesting, so gmail is aware of the chinese equivalent of "Re" (回复) but doesn't use the In-Reply-To: header correctly? > As for line endings, I can think of two possible reasons. The first > (and, I suspect, more likely) would be that Lavender is using an email > gateway that automatically translates between English and Chinese, and > the email gateway did not implement line wrapping (or did so poorly). > The second might be that Chinese email clients, frequently operating > with an ideogram langauge, don't need to line-wrap so frequently, so > Lavender's email client might be buggy in that regard. > > > > > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to > > help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds > > the behavior described above at least confusing? > > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. > > I have no reason to believe it's fake. I'm reasonably sure it was > machine-processed, but I expect there was a human at the far end. i agree that there is definitely a human at the other end. you raise some good points. the automated translation might even trigger automated entries in the spam database. but why use three names at the same time? still there might be an explanation for it. as said before i meant no offense. im not 100% convinced, but your explanation sounds reasonable, let's not make a lengthy discussion out of it :) thx for your insightful reply!
Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:54:06 +0100 schrieb Mick : > On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote: > > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 > > > > schrieb Jonas de Buhr : > > > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to > > > help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds > > > the behavior described above at least confusing? > > > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. > > > > no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: > > http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 > > > Interesting! > > Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as > we understand the question asked. Not everyone is blessed with good > knowledge of the English language. i totally agree to that given any effort on the other end i would do my best to help as well. > The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have > similar problems. right, the replies probably gave the thread some value ;) but there was *no* reaction at all to the proposed solutions, hints and info requests. why ask for help if you don't even try the suggestions? it takes you about ten minutes of reading this list to realize that the usual way of solving problems is a cycle of "i am trying to do X and receive error Y"->"hey, try Z"->"oh, now A happens"->"try B too" etc. > Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would > someone spam the list in this manner? It doesn't make sense. my point exactly! i don't get it - this intially led me to post this comment in the first place. what really points into the direction of spam in my opinion is using the different names mentioned of stopforumspam. and that others went as far as reporting it. > So I > am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a > cultural (or personal) issue. possible. but what makes it even more confusing is that this doesn't go well with my experience of chinese people having a hard time with english (i can't really put my finger on it, but it doesn't feel right) and how they react to "hey, you're doing X wrong, thats rude". not meaning to stereotype, it just made it more suspicious.
[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Jonas de Buhr wrote: > hey guys, > > please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense. > can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads some > kind of trolling i don't get? > > it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are ignored) > combines loads of annoying qualities: > > - nondescriptive titles > - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even > subject changes > - no line-breaks > - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk) > - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored > - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented To me, the "Lavender's" messages read like someone is going through an automated translation tool to get between English and their native language. (In this case, Chinese) "Anyone can afford ... ?" sounds like bad forced translation between semantic idioms. "Anyone can afford information about build kernel" "Can anyone afford information about build kernel" "Can anyone spend time helping about build kernel" "Can anyone spend time helping me build my kernel" That explains the punctuation (poor translation tool(!)) and nebulous requests. His responses indicated he was reading what had been sent in reply. His first reply and his second reply were closely related, and when commands were offered that allowed him to find the exact information he needed, he gave his third reply indicating he had what he needed. I'm using GMail as my email client, and threading and subject lines showed intact for me until your "this is spam" message following the one I'm replying to. As for line endings, I can think of two possible reasons. The first (and, I suspect, more likely) would be that Lavender is using an email gateway that automatically translates between English and Chinese, and the email gateway did not implement line wrapping (or did so poorly). The second might be that Chinese email clients, frequently operating with an ideogram langauge, don't need to line-wrap so frequently, so Lavender's email client might be buggy in that regard. > > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in > spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior > described above at least confusing? > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. I have no reason to believe it's fake. I'm reasonably sure it was machine-processed, but I expect there was a human at the far end. -- :wq
Re: this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
On Tuesday 11 Oct 2011 12:51:12 Jonas de Buhr wrote: > Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 > > schrieb Jonas de Buhr : > > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help > > in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the > > behavior described above at least confusing? > > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. > > no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: > http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 Interesting! Well, the broken English is not an insurmountable problem as long as we understand the question asked. Not everyone is blessed with good knowledge of the English language. The questions seem genuine, so it may help the OP or others that have similar problems. The lack of netiqutte, well ... if I only I had a penny for every time that we have collectively or singularly asked people to respect it. ;-) Now, if as you say it is indeed spam, what escapes me is why would someone spam the list in this manner? It doesn't make sense. So I am led to believe that the peculiarities you mention are probably a cultural (or personal) issue. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
this is spam (was: Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?)
Am Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:03:27 +0200 schrieb Jonas de Buhr : > it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help > in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the > behavior described above at least confusing? > anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. no, apparently i am not the only one thinking that: http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/58.243.95.123 > > /jonas > > Am Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:44:28 +0800 > schrieb "Lavender" <448463...@qq.com>: > > > Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I > > should do . > > > > -- 原始邮件 -- > > 发件人: "Michael Mol"; > > 发送时间: 2011年10月9日(星期天) 晚上9:40 > > 收件人: "gentoo-user"; > > > > 主题: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build > > kernel? > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol > > wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender <448463...@qq.com> > > > wrote: > > >> Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused > > >> by those modules' names, I can't find any contact between the > > >> hard device name and its module name . For example, there is a > > >> module named 3c59x.ko , I totally don't know what device it > > >> present for , > > > > > > This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added. > > > > > > cd /sys/module//drivers/ > > > > > > And go from there > > > > > > lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in > > > question. > > > > > > For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for. > > > > > > $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers > > > $ ls > > > pci:ahci > > > $ cd pci\:ahci/ > > > $ ls > > > :00:11.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind > > > $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0 > > > 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA > > > Controller [AHCI mode] > > > $ > > > > > > So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller. > > > > Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command > > should tell you what driver is associated with every device on the > > system. > > > > find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' > > -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' > > > > Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it > > should help. > >
Re: [gentoo-user] 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
hey guys, please don't get me wrong on this one, i mean no offense. can anyone explain to me what this is? are these lavender threads some kind of trolling i don't get? it (apparently on purpose, since hints in that direction are ignored) combines loads of annoying qualities: - nondescriptive titles - doing everything to rip apart threads: no In-Reply-To and even subject changes - no line-breaks - difficult to read incorrect punctuation (plenk) - problem details are kept nebulous and info requests are ignored - none of the proposed solutions are ever tried or commented it's nice how much many people on this this list are willing to help in spite of all this. but am i really the only one who finds the behavior described above at least confusing? anyway, i'm quite convinced it is fake. /jonas Am Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:44:28 +0800 schrieb "Lavender" <448463...@qq.com>: > Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I should > do . > > -- 原始邮件 -- > 发件人: "Michael Mol"; > 发送时间: 2011年10月9日(星期天) 晚上9:40 > 收件人: "gentoo-user"; > > 主题: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build > kernel? > > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender <448463...@qq.com> wrote: > >> Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by > >> those modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard > >> device name and its module name . For example, there is a module > >> named 3c59x.ko , I totally don't know what device it present for , > > > > This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added. > > > > cd /sys/module//drivers/ > > > > And go from there > > > > lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in question. > > > > For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for. > > > > $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers > > $ ls > > pci:ahci > > $ cd pci\:ahci/ > > $ ls > > :00:11.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind > > $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0 > > 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA > > Controller [AHCI mode] > > $ > > > > So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller. > > Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should > tell you what driver is associated with every device on the system. > > find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' > -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' > > Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it should > help. >
Re: 回复： [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Lavender <448463782 qq.com> writes: > Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I should do . http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-tipsntricks.xml#livecd-kernel Hello Lavender, At the end of your last thread, I mentioned how to copy a kernel from the boot/install media. The link about should get right there (Section 2.8). Once you get a booted kernel, then is just a matter of time and effort until you get a target kernel to work. I always keep at least 2 bootable kernels on any given system. hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 05:26:45 -0300, Spidey wrote: > Just read the HELP pages (I use make menuconfig for configuration, but > xconfig and gconfig should give you the help pages too) and when in > doubt set the default option. The search function is useful too, press / in menuconfig. -- Neil Bothwick Documentation: (n.) a novel sold with software, designed to entertain the operator during episodes of bugs or glitches. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I ended up learning how to build my own kernel with Google, basically. I've learned about timers (HPET), chipset, sata controllers, the sata/pata drivers in linux, sound architecture (alsa/oss/pulseaudio), debugging file systems and messages, about the serial terminal (stty0), about kexec, DRM + KMS... Just read the HELP pages (I use make menuconfig for configuration, but xconfig and gconfig should give you the help pages too) and when in doubt set the default option.
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Am Sonntag 09 Oktober 2011, 17:49:25 schrieb Lavender: > Thanks a lot ! The e-book is nice ! Hmm, , I > haven't heard it before , would you like to recommend more books about > linux kernel ? no, I don't know any other book (well.. one - linux/unix Kurzreferenz - all the commands, comaprism of shells, plus how to get out of vi(m) without going insanse, awk etc pp.. in one nice book). > -- Original -- > From: "Volker Armin Hemmann"; > Date: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 02:21 PM > To: "gentoo-user"; > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build > kernel? > > Am Sonntag 09 Oktober 2011, 08:55:55 schrieb Lavender: > > > It seems that no matter I build gentoo manually or with genkernel I > > can't have a fine-working kernel finally. Obviously I must solve it by > > myself , so I determined to build entire kernel all manually , it > > requests a lot of linux knowlege . All for that, I hope someone could > > tell me where to get this information , I haven't found them on > > gentoo.org , so please lead me to the correct direction, thank you for > > you all ! > > > http://www.kroah.com/lkn/ > > there. > > You can download it there. It helps you with building. > > btw: > make -jX && make modules_install install > > With make all modules_install install > or > make && make modules_install > > you only have one make instance. Which is very slow. > > -- > #163933 -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Michael Mol wrote: find /sys/devices -name driver \ -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' \ -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' That worked better. I did have to copy it from the email to kwrite, because of the word wrapping, then to a Konsole. It would be nice if we could disable that in plain text emails sometimes. Word wrapping that is. I was really looking forward to the book thing too. Bummer. Life's a biscuit then you get burned in the oven. lol Dale :-) :-)
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On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Dale wrote: > Michael Mol wrote: >> >> Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should tell >> you what driver is associated with every device on the system. find >> /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' -f10-|sed -e >> 's/\.\.\///g' Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it >> should help. > > Hmm: > > root@fireball / # find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut > -d' '-f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' > cut: the delimiter must be a single character > Try `cut --help' for more information. > xargs: ls: terminated by signal 13 > root@fireball / # Your -f got stuck attached to the -d argument. Wordwrap reconstruction fail. :-| Try this for an alternate representation: find /sys/devices -name driver \ -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' \ -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Lavender <448463...@qq.com> [11-10-09 03:07]: > It seems that no matter I build gentoo manually or with genkernel I can't > have a fine-working kernel finally. Obviously I must solve it by myself , so > I determined to build entire kernel all manually , it requests a lot of linux > knowlege . All for that, I hope someone could tell me where to get this > information , I haven't found them on gentoo.org , so please lead me to the > correct direction, thank you for you all ! Hi, when I am setup a new system for example after changing the motherboard and CPU for some reason, I normally boot into a live sysrtem like ubuntoo or such, check whether the most things are running and do a lsmod. Then I mount the tmp dir rw of my hd, which is on a separate filesystem, and paste all valuable info on that like the output of lsmod, lsusb and such. Then I use this infos for setting up a new kernel. Only ashot in the dark... HTH! Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Dale wrote: > Michael Mol wrote: > > Let's not fail to mention lspci -k either. That is a handy tool. Heh. Now if only I'd known... -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Michael Mol wrote: Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should tell you what driver is associated with every device on the system. find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it should help. Hmm: root@fireball / # find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' '-f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' cut: the delimiter must be a single character Try `cut --help' for more information. xargs: ls: terminated by signal 13 root@fireball / # Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Michael Mol wrote: On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol wrote: On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender<448463...@qq.com> wrote: Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by those modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard device name and its module name . For example, there is a module named 3c59x.ko , I totally don't know what device it present for , This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added. cd /sys/module//drivers/ And go from there lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in question. For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for. $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers $ ls pci:ahci $ cd pci\:ahci/ $ ls :00:11.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] $ So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller. Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should tell you what driver is associated with every device on the system. find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it should help. Let's not fail to mention lspci -k either. That is a handy tool. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag 09 Oktober 2011, 08:55:55 schrieb Lavender: It seems that no matter I build gentoo manually or with genkernel I can't have a fine-working kernel finally. Obviously I must solve it by myself , so I determined to build entire kernel all manually , it requests a lot of linux knowlege . All for that, I hope someone could tell me where to get this information , I haven't found them on gentoo.org , so please lead me to the correct direction, thank you for you all ! http://www.kroah.com/lkn/ there. You can download it there. It helps you with building. btw: make -jX&& make modules_install install With make all modules_install install or make&& make modules_install you only have one make instance. Which is very slow. I get 404 errors on the links on the page. Is there some secret to getting them? Dale :-) :-)
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Thank you all ! Thanks for helping , now I know which things I should do . -- 原始邮件 -- 发件人: "Michael Mol"; 发送时间: 2011年10月9日(星期天) 晚上9:40 收件人: "gentoo-user"; 主题: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel? On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender <448463...@qq.com> wrote: >> Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by those >> modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard device name and >> its module name . For example, there is a module named 3c59x.ko , I totally >> don't know what device it present for , > > This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added. > > cd /sys/module//drivers/ > > And go from there > > lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in question. > > For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for. > > $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers > $ ls > pci:ahci > $ cd pci\:ahci/ > $ ls > :00:11.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind > $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0 > 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA > Controller [AHCI mode] > $ > > So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller. Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should tell you what driver is associated with every device on the system. find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it should help. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender <448463...@qq.com> wrote: >> Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by those >> modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard device name and >> its module name . For example, there is a module named 3c59x.ko , I totally >> don't know what device it present for , > > This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added. > > cd /sys/module//drivers/ > > And go from there > > lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in question. > > For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for. > > $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers > $ ls > pci:ahci > $ cd pci\:ahci/ > $ ls > :00:11.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind > $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0 > 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA > Controller [AHCI mode] > $ > > So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller. Came up with something possibly a little handier. This command should tell you what driver is associated with every device on the system. find /sys/devices -name driver -print0|xargs -0 ls -l|cut -d' ' -f10-|sed -e 's/\.\.\///g' Output could probably still be a bit better cleaned up, but it should help. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Lavender <448463...@qq.com> wrote: > Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by those > modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard device name and > its module name . For example, there is a module named 3c59x.ko , I totally > don't know what device it present for , This got a *lot* easier back when sysfs was added. cd /sys/module//drivers/ And go from there lspci will help you see the 'text' name for the device in question. For example, let's say I don't know what the 'ahci' module is for. $ cd /sys/module/ahci/drivers $ ls pci:ahci $ cd pci\:ahci/ $ ls :00:11.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind $ sudo lspci|grep 11.0 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] $ So now I know the ahci module manages my SATA controller. > I mean I can't figure out that which > module correspond to which device though I know the hard devices consisted > of my PC. So I need information about contact between them so that I could > know what modules need to be chosen in kernel , also the options of kernel > are quiet a lot , there're many features that I never heard , I want to > find them out . > May be you think these problems are too easy , but I have never contacted > them before . Pretty sure we've all been there before. It helps to have some foreknowledge about hardware standards and the like, but it's not strictly necessary. As long as you're interested in *how* to find information, and use that knowledge once you find it, I don't doubt people will be interested in helping. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Thanks a lot ! The e-book is nice ! Hmm, , I haven't heard it before , would you like to recommend more books about linux kernel ? -- Original -- From: "Volker Armin Hemmann"; Date: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 02:21 PM To: "gentoo-user"; Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel? Am Sonntag 09 Oktober 2011, 08:55:55 schrieb Lavender: > It seems that no matter I build gentoo manually or with genkernel I can't > have a fine-working kernel finally. Obviously I must solve it by myself , > so I determined to build entire kernel all manually , it requests a lot of > linux knowlege . All for that, I hope someone could tell me where to get > this information , I haven't found them on gentoo.org , so please lead me > to the correct direction, thank you for you all ! http://www.kroah.com/lkn/ there. You can download it there. It helps you with building. btw: make -jX && make modules_install install With make all modules_install install or make && make modules_install you only have one make instance. Which is very slow. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Am Sonntag 09 Oktober 2011, 08:55:55 schrieb Lavender: > It seems that no matter I build gentoo manually or with genkernel I can't > have a fine-working kernel finally. Obviously I must solve it by myself , > so I determined to build entire kernel all manually , it requests a lot of > linux knowlege . All for that, I hope someone could tell me where to get > this information , I haven't found them on gentoo.org , so please lead me > to the correct direction, thank you for you all ! http://www.kroah.com/lkn/ there. You can download it there. It helps you with building. btw: make -jX && make modules_install install With make all modules_install install or make && make modules_install you only have one make instance. Which is very slow. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
On Sun 09 Oct 2011 10:23:50 AM IST, Lavender wrote: > Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by > those modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard device > name and its module name . For example, there is a module named > 3c59x.ko , I totally don't know what device it present for , I mean I > can't figure out that which module correspond to which device though I > know the hard devices consisted of my PC. So I need information about > contact between them so that I could know what modules need to be > chosen in kernel , also the options of kernel are quiet a lot , > there're many features that I never heard , I want to find them out . > May be you think these problems are too easy , but I have never > contacted them before . Forum I visited and books about Linux I readed > are both not mentioned them , so I wish you all could instruct me. Kernel module names are usually named according to a specific naming scheme like .ko So here, 3c59x.ko is 3COM 59X device. 3COM ethernet cards are quite common. -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Yeah, your reply is exact what I mean , but I'm really confused by those modules' names, I can't find any contact between the hard device name and its module name . For example, there is a module named 3c59x.ko , I totally don't know what device it present for , I mean I can't figure out that which module correspond to which device though I know the hard devices consisted of my PC. So I need information about contact between them so that I could know what modules need to be chosen in kernel , also the options of kernel are quiet a lot , there're many features that I never heard , I want to find them out . May be you think these problems are too easy , but I have never contacted them before . Forum I visited and books about Linux I readed are both not mentioned them , so I wish you all could instruct me. -- Original -- From: "Nilesh Govindarajan"; Date: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:09 AM To: "gentoo-user"; Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel? On 10/09/2011 06:25 AM, Lavender wrote: > It seems that no matter I build gentoo manually or with genkernel I > can't have a fine-working kernel finally. Obviously I must solve it by > myself , so I determined to build entire kernel all manually , it > requests a lot of linux knowlege . All for that, I hope someone could > tell me where to get this information , I haven't found them on > gentoo.org , so please lead me to the correct direction, thank you for > you all ! If you're new to building kernel, it will take some time to learn what modules you need what options you should enable, etc. You're building gentoo on some host Linux os, so you can use that os's lsmod utility to know what modules you require. Also, if some modules may be compiled right into the kernel you may not be able to see them in the lsmod produces, instead use lspci -v for that. One important thing I learnt the hard way while building gentoo for a server- Always compile the critical modules like disk controllers, RAID, also don't forget to use RAID autodetection if you're not going to use an initramfs and filesystems (involved at boot) statically. While citing my experience about building gentoo on a server, you have to do the things invisibly, so you can't see what the kernel emits befor panic. It turned out that I'd disabled RAID autodetection and wasn't using an initramfs either (which will load the arrays using mdadm). -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
On 10/09/2011 06:25 AM, Lavender wrote: > It seems that no matter I build gentoo manually or with genkernel I > can't have a fine-working kernel finally. Obviously I must solve it by > myself , so I determined to build entire kernel all manually , it > requests a lot of linux knowlege . All for that, I hope someone could > tell me where to get this information , I haven't found them on > gentoo.org , so please lead me to the correct direction, thank you for > you all ! If you're new to building kernel, it will take some time to learn what modules you need what options you should enable, etc. You're building gentoo on some host Linux os, so you can use that os's lsmod utility to know what modules you require. Also, if some modules may be compiled right into the kernel you may not be able to see them in the lsmod produces, instead use lspci -v for that. One important thing I learnt the hard way while building gentoo for a server- Always compile the critical modules like disk controllers, RAID, also don't forget to use RAID autodetection if you're not going to use an initramfs and filesystems (involved at boot) statically. While citing my experience about building gentoo on a server, you have to do the things invisibly, so you can't see what the kernel emits befor panic. It turned out that I'd disabled RAID autodetection and wasn't using an initramfs either (which will load the arrays using mdadm). -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
Nick Khamis wrote: cd /usr/src/linux make menuconfig "select the list of modules/drivers you need for your box" make modules_install make && make modules_install cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-2.6.3. vi /boot/grub/grub.conf "nano if you have not used vi before" title Gentoo Linux 2.6.36-r1 root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.36-native-r3 root=/dev/sda3 reboot If this is a fresh install, make mistakes, break your environment, chroot into jail...This is the only cure for your condition. Nick. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
cd /usr/src/linux make menuconfig "select the list of modules/drivers you need for your box" make modules_install cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-2.6.3. vi /boot/grub/grub.conf "nano if you have not used vi before" title Gentoo Linux 2.6.36-r1 root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.36-native-r3 root=/dev/sda3 reboot If this is a fresh install, make mistakes, break your environment, chroot into jail...This is the only cure for your condition. Nick. On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Lavender <448463...@qq.com> wrote: > It seems that no matter I build gentoo manually or with genkernel I can't > have a fine-working kernel finally. Obviously I must solve it by myself , so > I determined to build entire kernel all manually , it requests a lot of > linux knowlege . All for that, I hope someone could tell me where to get > this information , I haven't found them on gentoo.org , so please lead me to > the correct direction, thank you for you all !
[gentoo-user] Anyone can afford information about build kernel?
It seems that no matter I build gentoo manually or with genkernel I can't have a fine-working kernel finally. Obviously I must solve it by myself , so I determined to build entire kernel all manually , it requests a lot of linux knowlege . All for that, I hope someone could tell me where to get this information , I haven't found them on gentoo.org , so please lead me to the correct direction, thank you for you all !
