[gentoo-user] OT: cheap "make yourself" server: i7-950 or phenom 1100T?
Hi, a friend of mine asked me to prepare a small server for him. Unfortunatelly he can not afford to buy brand-name server so he asked me to build one for him, from "consumer" components (yes, I already warned him about "zero-support" consequences). It should be some kind of "multi-purpose" server (web, ftp, mail, dns, virtualisation, etc). His budget is ~600-700€ (for cpu, mobo, ram), and he wants the best value for the money... Now, the crucial decision is what cpu (&mobo) I should use: A: Intel Core i7-950, 4x 3.06GHz (4 cores, + hyper-threading) B: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition, 6x 3.30GHz (6 cores) Is it better to use phenom with 6 true cores, or i7 with 4 real and 4 "fake" cores (hyper-threading)? Concerning price, there is no difference, both of the above mentioned cpus cost ~250€ here in Europe. btw, mobos for phenom have up to 4x dimm, while mobos for core-i7 can have up to 6x dimm (that might be a valid point, he is going to need a lot of memory). So what should I pick for him? i7-950, or phenom-1100t? Or yet some cheap 4/6-core opteron 4xxx/6xxx? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: cheap "make yourself" server: i7-950 or phenom 1100T?
Jarry [10-12-15 19:08]: > Hi, > > a friend of mine asked me to prepare a small server for him. > Unfortunatelly he can not afford to buy brand-name server so > he asked me to build one for him, from "consumer" components > (yes, I already warned him about "zero-support" consequences). > It should be some kind of "multi-purpose" server (web, ftp, > mail, dns, virtualisation, etc). His budget is ~600-700€ (for > cpu, mobo, ram), and he wants the best value for the money... > > Now, the crucial decision is what cpu (&mobo) I should use: > > A: Intel Core i7-950, 4x 3.06GHz (4 cores, + hyper-threading) > B: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition, 6x 3.30GHz (6 cores) > > Is it better to use phenom with 6 true cores, or i7 with > 4 real and 4 "fake" cores (hyper-threading)? Concerning price, > there is no difference, both of the above mentioned cpus cost > ~250€ here in Europe. > > btw, mobos for phenom have up to 4x dimm, while mobos for > core-i7 can have up to 6x dimm (that might be a valid point, > he is going to need a lot of memory). > > So what should I pick for him? i7-950, or phenom-1100t? > Or yet some cheap 4/6-core opteron 4xxx/6xxx? > > Jarry > > -- > ___ > This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! > Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted. > I think the formula "performance/money" is fitted better by AMD than by Intel. If you take "performance" and "forget the money" Intel will be your friend. I myself choose an AMD Phenom X6 1090T (which can easily by pushed to be a 1100T by the way) on a ASUS Crosshair IV Formula. But a few days agao I heard Gigabyte would be more AMD friendly... I uses this mainly for rendering -- all cores can be used by Blender in parallel. Only my two cent ... you currency may vary. I DONT WANT to start a flamewar here! Its only my opinion I wanted to express :) Best regards, mcc PS: If the siftware you will use is not capable to put full load on the machine you will pay for more hardware than it is used. PPS: Hyperthreading uses unused parts of a core to run stuff which does not need the used parts of the same core. When you have 8 identical jobs running, there have to be 8 identical parts in the cores available otherwise there is nothing to hypethread. It depends heavily on the kind and mixture of jobs running on the machine whether hyperthreading is a win or a marketing joke... I myself (own opinion) feel better to have six physical cores capable of running six identical threads doing six things real parallel, than to guess, whether 4 of the eight threads Blender is showing me is /possibly/ waiting for getting access to an unused part of one of the four cores. Yes, I am an AMD friend since Intel way of "handling" the P90 floating point bug for their customers. And since this 15 (?) years this decision was ok -- at least for me. ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: cheap "make yourself" server: i7-950 or phenom 1100T?
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Jarry [10-12-15 19:08]: Hi, a friend of mine asked me to prepare a small server for him. Unfortunatelly he can not afford to buy brand-name server so he asked me to build one for him, from "consumer" components (yes, I already warned him about "zero-support" consequences). It should be some kind of "multi-purpose" server (web, ftp, mail, dns, virtualisation, etc). His budget is ~600-700€ (for cpu, mobo, ram), and he wants the best value for the money... Now, the crucial decision is what cpu (&mobo) I should use: A: Intel Core i7-950, 4x 3.06GHz (4 cores, + hyper-threading) B: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition, 6x 3.30GHz (6 cores) Is it better to use phenom with 6 true cores, or i7 with 4 real and 4 "fake" cores (hyper-threading)? Concerning price, there is no difference, both of the above mentioned cpus cost ~250€ here in Europe. btw, mobos for phenom have up to 4x dimm, while mobos for core-i7 can have up to 6x dimm (that might be a valid point, he is going to need a lot of memory). So what should I pick for him? i7-950, or phenom-1100t? Or yet some cheap 4/6-core opteron 4xxx/6xxx? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted. I think the formula "performance/money" is fitted better by AMD than by Intel. If you take "performance" and "forget the money" Intel will be your friend. I myself choose an AMD Phenom X6 1090T (which can easily by pushed to be a 1100T by the way) on a ASUS Crosshair IV Formula. But a few days agao I heard Gigabyte would be more AMD friendly... I uses this mainly for rendering -- all cores can be used by Blender in parallel. Only my two cent ... you currency may vary. I DONT WANT to start a flamewar here! Its only my opinion I wanted to express :) Best regards, mcc I'll give my $0.02 worth as well. I just built a new rig. It has a Gigabyte GA-770T-USB3 mobo and a AMD Phenom II X4 and it is really fast and efficient. Price was very good too. From what I have read, Gigabyte is highly rated. This may be something you want to use as a starting point if available in you area. I'd be glad to send you links to the core parts so that you know what works well together. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: cheap "make yourself" server: i7-950 or phenom 1100T?
On 12/15/2010 09:35 AM, Jarry wrote: > So what should I pick for him? i7-950, or phenom-1100t? > Or yet some cheap 4/6-core opteron 4xxx/6xxx? Uh oh..don your flameproof underwear and open the floodgates I've not used the new six-core AMDs but I love my XII 940. And with Intel's new plumbing, my experience with the i7 seems to point to only slightly to the i7 side, as long as you have speedy RAM. I think in the long run, these two are so close, it just comes down to how much memory bandwidth you can wring from the machine. I/O is still I/O so, what else is left, really?
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: cheap "make yourself" server: i7-950 or phenom 1100T?
Dale [10-12-15 19:52]: > meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > >Jarry [10-12-15 19:08]: > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>a friend of mine asked me to prepare a small server for him. > >>Unfortunatelly he can not afford to buy brand-name server so > >>he asked me to build one for him, from "consumer" components > >>(yes, I already warned him about "zero-support" consequences). > >>It should be some kind of "multi-purpose" server (web, ftp, > >>mail, dns, virtualisation, etc). His budget is ~600-700€ (for > >>cpu, mobo, ram), and he wants the best value for the money... > >> > >>Now, the crucial decision is what cpu (&mobo) I should use: > >> > >>A: Intel Core i7-950, 4x 3.06GHz (4 cores, + hyper-threading) > >>B: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition, 6x 3.30GHz (6 cores) > >> > >>Is it better to use phenom with 6 true cores, or i7 with > >>4 real and 4 "fake" cores (hyper-threading)? Concerning price, > >>there is no difference, both of the above mentioned cpus cost > >>~250€ here in Europe. > >> > >>btw, mobos for phenom have up to 4x dimm, while mobos for > >>core-i7 can have up to 6x dimm (that might be a valid point, > >>he is going to need a lot of memory). > >> > >>So what should I pick for him? i7-950, or phenom-1100t? > >>Or yet some cheap 4/6-core opteron 4xxx/6xxx? > >> > >>Jarry > >> > >>-- > >>___ > >>This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! > >>Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted. > >> > >> > > > >I think the formula "performance/money" is fitted better by AMD > >than by Intel. > >If you take "performance" and "forget the money" Intel will be your > >friend. > > > >I myself choose an AMD Phenom X6 1090T (which can easily by pushed > >to be a 1100T by the way) on a ASUS Crosshair IV Formula. But a few > >days agao I heard Gigabyte would be more AMD friendly... > > > >I uses this mainly for rendering -- all cores can be used by Blender > >in parallel. > > > >Only my two cent ... you currency may vary. > > > >I DONT WANT to start a flamewar here! > >Its only my opinion I wanted to express :) > > > >Best regards, > >mcc > > > > > > I'll give my $0.02 worth as well. I just built a new rig. It has a > Gigabyte GA-770T-USB3 mobo and a AMD Phenom II X4 and it is really fast > and efficient. Price was very good too. From what I have read, > Gigabyte is highly rated. > > This may be something you want to use as a starting point if available > in you area. I'd be glad to send you links to the core parts so that > you know what works well together. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > Silent cooling ? Scythe Mulgen 2 Rev B! ;) mcc
