Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?
On Montag, 14. Januar 2008, Wayne Clement wrote: On 1/14/08, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, 14. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Walter Dnes: SVG is an OpenSource replacement for Schlockwave-Trash, to be used for creating singing/dancing webpages. Nope. SVG is Scalable Vector Graphics, a vector image format. Maybe it's used for icon rendering, like in KDE. Bye... Dirk Any chance it's for drawing pie charts and such yes -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?
Walter Dnes ha scritto: Tried to do an update today. Gnumeric has a new dependancy, namely goffice. Trying to build goffice fails with the following message... Use another spreadsheet and go ranting on your blog. Bye. m. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?
b.n. wrote: Walter Dnes ha scritto: Tried to do an update today. Gnumeric has a new dependancy, namely goffice. Trying to build goffice fails with the following message... Use another spreadsheet and go ranting on your blog. Bye. m. Yep, I don't see why he's shocked by having SVG and Unicode, especially the later as a dep, they seem perfectly logical to me. What shocked me is his WTF Gabriel -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?
On Monday 14 January 2008, Gabriel Rossetti wrote: b.n. wrote: Walter Dnes ha scritto: Tried to do an update today. Gnumeric has a new dependancy, namely goffice. Trying to build goffice fails with the following message... Use another spreadsheet and go ranting on your blog. Bye. m. Yep, I don't see why he's shocked by having SVG and Unicode, especially the later as a dep, they seem perfectly logical to me. What shocked me is his WTF He was shocked because he thought 'svg' was the GNU Flash-replacement, not vector graphics support. An easy enough mistake to make I suppose. Done worse myself. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?
Hi, On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:13:33 +0100 Renat Golubchyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is nothing basic about a spreadsheet program. It is a very advanced piece of software. From a developer's perspective unicode is an obvious requirement, if he tries to write a program for many different locales without too much hassle. And I can well see myself e.g. inserting greek chars that have some mathematical meaning in my spreadsheets... After all, this isn't Lotus-123 and I don't use a 9-pin-printer anymore... And FWIW, SVG (or parts of it and lots of referring definitions) is integrated in the Open Document Format for Office Applications. -hwh -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?
Tried to do an update today. Gnumeric has a new dependancy, namely
goffice. Trying to build goffice fails with the following message...
* Messages for package x11-libs/goffice-0.6.1:
* Please rebuild x11-libs/cairo with svg support enabled
* echo x11-libs/cairo svg /etc/portage/package.use
* emerge -1 x11-libs/cairo
* Please rebuild dev-libs/libpcre with unicode support enabled
* echo dev-libs/libpcre unicode /etc/portage/package.use
* emerge -1 dev-libs/libpcre
*
* ERROR: x11-libs/goffice-0.6.1 failed.
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 1717: Called dyn_setup
* ebuild.sh, line 768: Called qa_call 'pkg_setup'
* ebuild.sh, line 44: Called pkg_setup
* goffice-0.6.1.ebuild, line 64: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* [ -n ${diemessage} ] die ${diemessage}
* The die message:
* No SVG support found in cairo. No unicode support found in libpcre.
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.
* A complete build log is located at
'/var/log/portage/x11-libs:goffice-0.6.1:20080113-232058.log'.
SVG is an OpenSource replacement for Schlockwave-Trash, to be used for
creating singing/dancing webpages. Unicode is great if you're building
a desktop for use in the library room of the United Nations. There is
no real need for it on a single-language desktop machine. Can someone
explain the so-called logic behind these mandatory dependancies *IN A
SPREADSHEET*? Is there a way to to modify the ebuild to remove the
dependancies without blowing up the compile?
One reason that linux has finally started to come into its own is that
it can fit onto under-specced machines like the OLPC and Asus EEE, on
which XP has trouble fitting, and Vista is totally fuggedaboutit.
That advantage risks being ruined if we follow the Windows Disease and
insist on unnecessarily bloating basic apps.
--
Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not repeating myself
I'm an X Window user... I'm an ex-Windows-user
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Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?
Am Montag, 14. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Walter Dnes: SVG is an OpenSource replacement for Schlockwave-Trash, to be used for creating singing/dancing webpages. Nope. SVG is Scalable Vector Graphics, a vector image format. Maybe it's used for icon rendering, like in KDE. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?
On 1/14/08, Dirk Heinrichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Montag, 14. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Walter Dnes: SVG is an OpenSource replacement for Schlockwave-Trash, to be used for creating singing/dancing webpages. Nope. SVG is Scalable Vector Graphics, a vector image format. Maybe it's used for icon rendering, like in KDE. Bye... Dirk Any chance it's for drawing pie charts and such
Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:49:53 -0500 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried to do an update today. Gnumeric has a new dependancy, namely goffice. Trying to build goffice fails with the following message... [snip] SVG is an OpenSource replacement for Schlockwave-Trash, to be used for creating singing/dancing webpages. SVG is Scalable Vector Graphics, a (XML based) vector image format that *can* be used for animations. It is now used, e.g., for scalable icons in GNOME and KDE. Unicode is great if you're building a desktop for use in the library room of the United Nations. There is no real need for it on a single-language desktop machine. Everything gets converted to unicode these days. Get used to it. Nobody will write an application using only ASCII for English-speaking population and Unicode for everybody else. It's just ain't going to happen. It would be a major pain in the ass to code such a beast. Can someone explain the so-called logic behind these mandatory dependancies *IN A SPREADSHEET*? Gnumeric uses GTK+ 2.x which internally uses unicode to handles strings. Thus, it needs libpcre to be built with unicode support. If you don't like it, don't use GTK+ 2.x apps. Is there a way to to modify the ebuild to remove the dependancies without blowing up the compile? No. One reason that linux has finally started to come into its own is that it can fit onto under-specced machines like the OLPC and Asus EEE, on which XP has trouble fitting, and Vista is totally fuggedaboutit. That advantage risks being ruined if we follow the Windows Disease and insist on unnecessarily bloating basic apps. There is nothing basic about a spreadsheet program. It is a very advanced piece of software. From a developer's perspective unicode is an obvious requirement, if he tries to write a program for many different locales without too much hassle. Cheers, Renat -- Probleme kann man niemals mit derselben Denkweise loesen, durch die sie entstanden sind. (Einstein) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 22:49 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: SVG is an OpenSource replacement for Schlockwave-Trash, to be used for creating singing/dancing webpages. SVG actually has (very) little to do with shockwave. It's a graphics format, like JPEG or PNG, but is vector instead of raster. Most of the icons used these days are SVG icons. The default GNOME theme uses SVG. Gnumeric, for example, uses SVG to render charts. Unless you're on a text console or your desktop is ugly you're likely using SVG. Unicode is great if you're building a desktop for use in the library room of the United Nations. There is no real need for it on a single-language desktop machine. Unicode is pretty much a de-facto standard these days. Just today I read a (English) Changelog that had Unicode (UTF8) characters in it. Most editors, even Vim, save to UTF8 by default (if supported by your locale). Might as well get used to that one too. -a -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
