[gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How come I don't see my own posts to this list? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH28bX8hUIAnGfls4RAvPaAJ9iVi3RdAD798CYdMQJC0AsGuNjIQCgiRD/ /WHaJPY2UjnYra6iiPC9yHQ= =CWDr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
Chris Brennan wrote: How come I don't see my own posts to this list? We got this one. I saw one other one too. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH28wO8hUIAnGfls4RArQ+AJ9DrM5N04BiAqd7M6IidiRviZ3YiwCfQb6N vYPdYR9en8+OVJ5h0mRY+Qs= =kxiB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D Sometimes the mail server filters them out. I read that ?gmail? and a few others do that. Not sure why or how to over come it tho. Somewhat common from my reading. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
Chris Brennan wrote: How come I don't see my own posts to this list? You seem to be using google for mx... ;-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On 16/03/2008, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes the mail server filters them out. I read that ?gmail? and a few others do that. Not sure why or how to over come it tho. Somewhat common from my reading. I concur with that... gmail seems to filter out duplicates from all my mail lists... ...Ric -- Ric de France Ph: +61412945554 (international) or 0412945554 (Australia) == Do you, uh... Gentoo? Gent-hooo!! == == http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml == -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norberto Bensa wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | You seem to be using google for mx... ;-) | | | Indeed I am, appeears to be the only reliable free mail service I have access to at the moment so now I will pop off and bug them about it. /me sticks out his thumb for Barnard's Star. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH29LP8hUIAnGfls4RAlEfAJ9PohL0sSmLAzMWYSL+v3EhK5PODgCeOxoT RCFoG7ZKsGEXvCf4YfpD1Hg= =oz0L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan McKinnon wrote: | On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: | Dale wrote: | | Chris Brennan wrote: | | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | | Dale | | | | :-) :-) | | Ya but you didn't answer my question :D | | The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address | as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a | non-idiot (like this one) | ahh well now that explains it all -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH29Lr8hUIAnGfls4RAlkAAJ9DJhB6m2FD34g3YMxrkT6GxNabBQCgiSFO Jl08qrlNmdndZQrjRMXJF34= =+SFk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
I believe that is true. In gmail we usually see our own posts because it composes the conversations not only with the received messages, but also with the sent ones (in the sent messages label) On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:53:43 -0400 Chris Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How come I don't see my own posts to this list? /* offtopic Please, don't hijack threads. It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients. Even more it is offending to the original poster, because they get answers to your question instead of theirs. In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending a new question instead of composing a new message. */ On the subject. My guess is you can't see your own messages because your server filters them. It is known to happen with Gmail accounts. As a workaround you could register two accounts - one for reading and one for sending messages as described in the documentation: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml ...Mailing List Mini-FAQ I subscribed to a list using my home email address, but I can't post to the list from work. What do I do to fix this? To reduce spam, all of our lists are configured to only allow posts from official subscriber email addresses. Fortunately, mlmmj supports nomail subscriptions, allowing you to register alternate email addresses that can be used only for posting to the list. Here's an example of how this works. Let's say you subscribed to the gentoo-dev list as [EMAIL PROTECTED], but you'd also like to post to the list using your [EMAIL PROTECTED] email address. To do this, send a message (as [EMAIL PROTECTED]) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should then be allowed to post to gentoo-dev using both your home and work email addresses -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:35:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Daniel Iliev wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:35:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. What does this have to do with what the list server does? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 16:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Daniel Iliev wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:35:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com I doubt it works that way. I always get mails back from the list, I can forward one to you, the headers should be proof enough. Of course it's possible to place a copy of your sent message in your inbox (and I know, kmail's got an option for that) but that's not standard behavior. It's merely a workaround for broken filters like gmail's. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On 15/03/2008, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. That's unfortunate as it screws up GMail's conversation feature - also the list email serves as confirmation that your message has got through. Can this setting be changed please? Thanks Alan -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. What does this have to do with what the list server does? OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the original* - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to enable or disable this behaviour Sometimes the user does want a copy of the post to come back as a verification that the message was indeed fully processed by the list server. That would be an issue between the user and the list admin. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the original* - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to enable or disable this behaviour Agreed. However, Gentoo lists do send back the messages to the senders, and this is unrelated to the broken way gmail handles list messages. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan McKinnon wrote: | On Saturday 15 March 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: | On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: | The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the | same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour | for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) | Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get | their original messages back? | There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say | kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. | What does this have to do with what the list server does? | | OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. | | - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y | - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X | - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the | user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the | original* | - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to | enable or disable this behaviour | | Sometimes the user does want a copy of the post to come back as a | verification that the message was indeed fully processed by the list | server. That would be an issue between the user and the list admin. | | So do the lists at gentoo provide such an option? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2+U18hUIAnGfls4RAsulAJ9P7Bf3ec5/B92373CLaQvHTWCysgCfWPCH rhB4aelLVyBWNH5jqr07bS8= =yXbQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes well, I am using thunderbird and my mail is stored on a remote server on my lan, so I can check my mail from any machine in my house. So yes, I am using Google Apps to host my e-mail, it's convenient for me and meets me needs and requirements. But the question remains, is there an options for my to enable to be sent a copy of my own posts to the lists(s) that I belong to, as a verification *and* for Thunderbird to properly sort the conversation. TB does infact differenciate somethings, like when a threads *was* infact hijacked, but after the user got his answer. I can then sort just that part and isolate it. But because TB doesn't know where I posted first, it lumps then all together and things jump around. Alan McKinnon wrote: | On Saturday 15 March 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: | On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: | The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the | same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour | for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) | Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get | their original messages back? | There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say | kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. | What does this have to do with what the list server does? | | OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. | | - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y | - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X | - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the | user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the | original* | - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to | enable or disable this behaviour | | Sometimes the user does want a copy of the post to come back as a | verification that the message was indeed fully processed by the list | server. That would be an issue between the user and the list admin. | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2+Z08hUIAnGfls4RAhOnAJ9X8FN+q64o8bxlaDTIUzAbaeE9GwCfTLX8 x5j6lBglymdwQhsgABjwZMk= =5/8c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:31:53 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Daniel Iliev wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:35:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. I don't think so. The ML software sends (bounces) every message to all subscribers (except those who had chosen the no-mail option). It is up to the subscribers' server or client to decide what to do with a given message when/if they catch this message has already been there. Anyone, please, correct me if I'm wrong. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
Alan McKinnon schrieb: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. Of course it does. That you don't see it doesn't mean the list server doesn't send it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) No it isn't. Regards mks -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Samstag, 15. März 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. What does this have to do with what the list server does? OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the original* - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to enable or disable this behaviour but you are wrong. You get your email back from the list. GMAIL just does not show it. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Samstag, 15. März 2008, Alan Milnes wrote: On 15/03/2008, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. That's unfortunate as it screws up GMail's conversation feature - also the list email serves as confirmation that your message has got through. Can this setting be changed please? there is no such setting. The ml sends all mails to all subscribers. So you DO get your mail back. gmail does not show such mails, because it is broken. Google for it, it has been discussed in the past. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Samstag, 15. März 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Norberto Bensa wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | You seem to be using google for mx... ;-) Indeed I am, appeears to be the only reliable free mail service I have access to at the moment so now I will pop off and bug them about it. /me sticks out his thumb for Barnard's Star. this broken behaviour angers people from the beginning. They won't change it. gmx is a nice, free service that always works. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag, 15. März 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the original* - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to enable or disable this behaviour but you are wrong. You get your email back from the list. GMAIL just does not show it. That is the way I understand it too. It's not the list mail server that stops it, it's the mail server on the users end. I'll have a copy of this email in my sent folder but I'll also get a copy back in my inbox folder in a little bit too. I also sort mine by threads so it is neat or the threading will be . . . confusing. I have enough confusion already. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On 15 Mar 2008, at 13:35, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. It does here. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Usually it's a user-configurable option, obviously with a default setting that the admin can set. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On 15 Mar 2008, at 13:27, Norberto Bensa wrote: Chris Brennan wrote: How come I don't see my own posts to this list? You seem to be using google for mx... ;-) And to expand on that, this is an FAQ for Gmail users. http://tinyurl.com/32h53h http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/166636/ Stroller -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:31:53 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. The original goes in the outbox, the copy from the listserv is filtered into this folder. I certainly wouldn't want my own messages filtered out by the server, what if I send from another computer or a webmail server? -- Neil Bothwick Nice computers don't go down. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
