[gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
On 1/17/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:07:23 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
I haven't been brave enough to read all of this thread, but as we seem
to have gotten onto the topic of spelling, has anyone noticed that the
saviour linux website now consists of:
Saviour Linux
comming soon!
Yes,last week - hence my post about it not including a spell checker :)
You don't need bravery to read this thread, just a sense of humo{,u}r.
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[gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
What are you talking about ? I was brave enough to read the entire
thread. And it is well worth it, just for the laugh :)
On 1/17/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:07:23 +1300, Nick Rout wrote:
I haven't been brave enough to read all of this thread, but as we seem
to have gotten onto the topic of spelling, has anyone noticed that the
saviour linux website now consists of:
Saviour Linux
comming soon!
Yes,last week - hence my post about it not including a spell checker :)
You don't need bravery to read this thread, just a sense of humo{,u}r.
--
Neil Bothwick
Boss spelled backwards is double-SOB
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
That was the worst knee-slapper ever. Justin On 1/14/06, Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 14 January 2006 00:38, a tiny voice compelled Mark Shields to write: Can we let this thread die? Please? I'm with you, but I fear it will come back around Easter. -- Regards, Ernie -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Justin W. Hart -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:38:59 -0500, Mark Shields wrote: Can we let this thread die? Please? It will die when people stop posting to it. Posting to it yourself only serves to prolong it. -- Neil Bothwick Love is grand. Divorce is a few grand more. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Mark Shields wrote: Can we let this thread die? Please? Why? Can you remember a funnier one, ever? -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
HE is just a party pooper :) j/k On 1/14/06, Jorge Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Mark Shields wrote: Can we let this thread die? Please? Why? Can you remember a funnier one, ever? -- Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
On Saturday 14 January 2006 00:38, a tiny voice compelled Mark Shields to write: Can we let this thread die? Please? I'm with you, but I fear it will come back around Easter. -- Regards, Ernie -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006, Mark Shields wrote: the parent poster never replied anyways. Yes he did, but his reply came disguised as a new thread Sorry about the spam. The contents of which didn't suggest repentance, BTW. Cheers, Jorge Almeida -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:14:57 +, Justin Hart wrote: Also of note, it looks as though they took down the site. Yes, it now just says Saviour Linux comming soon! I wonder when the distro will include a spell checker... -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 41: Good grief signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
Neil Bothwick wrote: Yes, it now just says Saviour Linux comming soon! I wonder when the distro will include a spell checker... echo sci-fi/saviour-linux spell /etc/portage/package.use emerge saviour-linux -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
On Friday 13 January 2006 07:34, Mattias Merilai wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: Yes, it now just says Saviour Linux comming soon! I wonder when the distro will include a spell checker... echo sci-fi/saviour-linux spell /etc/portage/package.use emerge saviour-linux Why not: emerge -C saviour-linux That should get rid of it. If it tries to come back again: echo sci-fi/saviour-linux spell /etc/portage/package.mask should do it. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:34:00 +, Mattias Merilai wrote: echo sci-fi/saviour-linux spell /etc/portage/package.use emerge saviour-linux LOL! Are you using the sci-fi category because there isn't one for fantasy? :) -- Neil Bothwick LISP: Lots of Infuriating Silly Parentheses signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 13:34 +, Mattias Merilai wrote: echo sci-fi/saviour-linux spell /etc/portage/package.use emerge saviour-linux I think the devs moved it to apps-vapourware/saviour-linux. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Never buy what you do not want because it is cheap; it will be dear to you. -- Thomas Jefferson -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
Can we let this thread die? Please? On 1/13/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 13:34 +, Mattias Merilai wrote: echo sci-fi/saviour-linux spell /etc/portage/package.use emerge saviour-linux I think the devs moved it to apps-vapourware/saviour-linux. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Never buy what you do not want because it is cheap; it will be dear to you. -- Thomas Jefferson -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- - Mark Shields -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [SPAM] - [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way (This is a Joke, laff will ya?) - Bayesian Filter detected spam
Devon Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *Dear Gentoo-User,* This can't be the real thing. You don't write the whole post in capital letters. -- Hilsen Harald. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way (This is a Joke, laff will ya?)
On 12 January 2006 19:21, Devon Miller wrote: *Dear Gentoo-User,* [ snip ] *Yours sincerely, * * Simon kabila.* Hilarious. The From: field, though, should contain an address in Congo, Nigeria, Kenya or, at least, France. Hotmail or yahoo would be acceptable as well. ;-) -- Unix is sexy: who | grep -i blonde | date cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount sleep -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
While I appreciate a good pitch, I actually think that what awakened the list so mightily is that someone brazenly posted to a Linux user list with a business pitch with no business plan attached. I think that most people who've had at least a brush with professional software engineering read such a statement as if it were steel wool scraping their eyeballs. If they've encountered such a business situation, they know, it's not so much that it's a scam, it's that they would suffer a lot less if it was just a scam. Justin On 1/11/06, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petr Kocmid Petr.Kocmid at project-bhairava.org writes: On Tuesday 10 January 2006 04:40, Mark Stewart wrote: Hello fellow Linux Users! We here at SaviourLinux.com desire to create a united universal way. Please visit the website for more information, but here is the purpose: You missed the target audience. Here at gentoo there are mostly hardcore linux geeks, and we already have universal way. You do not make a fortune here with a scam like this. (Splash--WAKE UP CALL) This thread has generated much noise, because it invokes the very antithesis of many things we hold dear: Irrelevance of Microsoft one day, ubiquitous secure and distributed computing, fantastic multimedia influenced and controlled by the little people of world etc etc It has generated so much concern (deeply disturbing responses) because we all need to earn a living and it'd be nice if we could do it, being perveyours of linux (Gentoo specifically) yet we lack initiative. I have often talk about preparing Gentoo for the masses, with little collective interest. I have even offered to spent my limited financial resources to get talented people to develop specific software and make it open source so that it can be used freely, available in source code and also open to entrepreneurial endeavors, much like the BSDish licenses. I personally think all of the hype over licenses are a waste of bandwidth. Who gives a shit, statistically. If something is great everybody is going to use it, and it's associated technical perveyours should make money signing autographs. 'Savior' is something Linux needs. The simple solution is for perveyours of (Gentoo) linux to stop being 'bone-heads' and start being Entrepreneurs. You make money, become affluent, you can write all the code and give it to whatever cause you want. What the youth of this list do not realize is their Free time combined with strong programming skills is capital. use it wisely, and more capital will flow your way. Specifically, I work as an engineer, with machines, industrial processes, communications, and too dam many lawyers and politicians. Machines on this earth are mostly controlled by SCADA systems: Supervisor Controls And Data Aquistion (sounds sexy huh?) Currenlty MicroSuck dominates the space, but, it's lack of robust security, has created a huge vacuum, highlighted by activities of 9/11. Futhermore in the near future, there will be at least 100 machines (micro P with connnectivity) per humanoid and the gap will only increase. AKA, the net of the future belongs to machines. Just look at the number of peripherals (machines) we have today and the pending explosion of every electro-mechanical device in your home, auto, work and leisure activities, having 'connectivity' in the not too distant future. Yet Linux lacks a robust open source SCADA plan. Many attemps have been made, but, most have been diverted to the traditional business model (come work for me and I'll give you a paycheck). Now is the time to develop software so that all electrical devices can be seemlessly managed and controlled. Whe have power over ethernet (802.af) and ethernet over powerlines, not to mention Rf chipsets that are shockingly low in price. The current vendor track is build a new device, write new software, and add it to the thousands of applications that exist. The future paradyne could be: Develop a robust Linux SCADA software package, make money migrating industry and consumers to it, and write device drivers for any product someone builds. That way the cost of software development is born of the open source community, and local entrepreneurs can spin hardware with local manufacturers to build successful 'regional products'. Gentoos get new toys, many of which are built by people they know I have offered money to any young, talented person wanting to make a name for themselves by championing the cause to develop an open source SCADA system for (Gentoo) linux. No takers. none. Why? This could become an excellent opportunity to teach software development, and migrate the industrial world to Gentoo. Leads me to beleive that everyone has too much cash or are scared to 'step up'. My programming skills have atrofied (like my spelling skills) over time. Furthermore, I'd be most interested in installing this SCADA system somewhere and generating
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
Also of note, it looks as though they took down the site. He probably read a handful of threads like this :-( I guess he'll learn his lesson and come back all the stronger for it. Justin On 1/13/06, Justin Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I appreciate a good pitch, I actually think that what awakened the list so mightily is that someone brazenly posted to a Linux user list with a business pitch with no business plan attached. I think that most people who've had at least a brush with professional software engineering read such a statement as if it were steel wool scraping their eyeballs. If they've encountered such a business situation, they know, it's not so much that it's a scam, it's that they would suffer a lot less if it was just a scam. Justin On 1/11/06, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petr Kocmid Petr.Kocmid at project-bhairava.org writes: On Tuesday 10 January 2006 04:40, Mark Stewart wrote: Hello fellow Linux Users! We here at SaviourLinux.com desire to create a united universal way. Please visit the website for more information, but here is the purpose: You missed the target audience. Here at gentoo there are mostly hardcore linux geeks, and we already have universal way. You do not make a fortune here with a scam like this. (Splash--WAKE UP CALL) This thread has generated much noise, because it invokes the very antithesis of many things we hold dear: Irrelevance of Microsoft one day, ubiquitous secure and distributed computing, fantastic multimedia influenced and controlled by the little people of world etc etc It has generated so much concern (deeply disturbing responses) because we all need to earn a living and it'd be nice if we could do it, being perveyours of linux (Gentoo specifically) yet we lack initiative. I have often talk about preparing Gentoo for the masses, with little collective interest. I have even offered to spent my limited financial resources to get talented people to develop specific software and make it open source so that it can be used freely, available in source code and also open to entrepreneurial endeavors, much like the BSDish licenses. I personally think all of the hype over licenses are a waste of bandwidth. Who gives a shit, statistically. If something is great everybody is going to use it, and it's associated technical perveyours should make money signing autographs. 'Savior' is something Linux needs. The simple solution is for perveyours of (Gentoo) linux to stop being 'bone-heads' and start being Entrepreneurs. You make money, become affluent, you can write all the code and give it to whatever cause you want. What the youth of this list do not realize is their Free time combined with strong programming skills is capital. use it wisely, and more capital will flow your way. Specifically, I work as an engineer, with machines, industrial processes, communications, and too dam many lawyers and politicians. Machines on this earth are mostly controlled by SCADA systems: Supervisor Controls And Data Aquistion (sounds sexy huh?) Currenlty MicroSuck dominates the space, but, it's lack of robust security, has created a huge vacuum, highlighted by activities of 9/11. Futhermore in the near future, there will be at least 100 machines (micro P with connnectivity) per humanoid and the gap will only increase. AKA, the net of the future belongs to machines. Just look at the number of peripherals (machines) we have today and the pending explosion of every electro-mechanical device in your home, auto, work and leisure activities, having 'connectivity' in the not too distant future. Yet Linux lacks a robust open source SCADA plan. Many attemps have been made, but, most have been diverted to the traditional business model (come work for me and I'll give you a paycheck). Now is the time to develop software so that all electrical devices can be seemlessly managed and controlled. Whe have power over ethernet (802.af) and ethernet over powerlines, not to mention Rf chipsets that are shockingly low in price. The current vendor track is build a new device, write new software, and add it to the thousands of applications that exist. The future paradyne could be: Develop a robust Linux SCADA software package, make money migrating industry and consumers to it, and write device drivers for any product someone builds. That way the cost of software development is born of the open source community, and local entrepreneurs can spin hardware with local manufacturers to build successful 'regional products'. Gentoos get new toys, many of which are built by people they know I have offered money to any young, talented person wanting to make a name for themselves by championing the cause to develop an open source SCADA system for (Gentoo) linux. No takers. none. Why? This could become an excellent opportunity to
[gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
Petr Kocmid Petr.Kocmid at project-bhairava.org writes: On Tuesday 10 January 2006 04:40, Mark Stewart wrote: Hello fellow Linux Users! We here at SaviourLinux.com desire to create a united universal way. Please visit the website for more information, but here is the purpose: You missed the target audience. Here at gentoo there are mostly hardcore linux geeks, and we already have universal way. You do not make a fortune here with a scam like this. (Splash--WAKE UP CALL) This thread has generated much noise, because it invokes the very antithesis of many things we hold dear: Irrelevance of Microsoft one day, ubiquitous secure and distributed computing, fantastic multimedia influenced and controlled by the little people of world etc etc It has generated so much concern (deeply disturbing responses) because we all need to earn a living and it'd be nice if we could do it, being perveyours of linux (Gentoo specifically) yet we lack initiative. I have often talk about preparing Gentoo for the masses, with little collective interest. I have even offered to spent my limited financial resources to get talented people to develop specific software and make it open source so that it can be used freely, available in source code and also open to entrepreneurial endeavors, much like the BSDish licenses. I personally think all of the hype over licenses are a waste of bandwidth. Who gives a shit, statistically. If something is great everybody is going to use it, and it's associated technical perveyours should make money signing autographs. 'Savior' is something Linux needs. The simple solution is for perveyours of (Gentoo) linux to stop being 'bone-heads' and start being Entrepreneurs. You make money, become affluent, you can write all the code and give it to whatever cause you want. What the youth of this list do not realize is their Free time combined with strong programming skills is capital. use it wisely, and more capital will flow your way. Specifically, I work as an engineer, with machines, industrial processes, communications, and too dam many lawyers and politicians. Machines on this earth are mostly controlled by SCADA systems: Supervisor Controls And Data Aquistion (sounds sexy huh?) Currenlty MicroSuck dominates the space, but, it's lack of robust security, has created a huge vacuum, highlighted by activities of 9/11. Futhermore in the near future, there will be at least 100 machines (micro P with connnectivity) per humanoid and the gap will only increase. AKA, the net of the future belongs to machines. Just look at the number of peripherals (machines) we have today and the pending explosion of every electro-mechanical device in your home, auto, work and leisure activities, having 'connectivity' in the not too distant future. Yet Linux lacks a robust open source SCADA plan. Many attemps have been made, but, most have been diverted to the traditional business model (come work for me and I'll give you a paycheck). Now is the time to develop software so that all electrical devices can be seemlessly managed and controlled. Whe have power over ethernet (802.af) and ethernet over powerlines, not to mention Rf chipsets that are shockingly low in price. The current vendor track is build a new device, write new software, and add it to the thousands of applications that exist. The future paradyne could be: Develop a robust Linux SCADA software package, make money migrating industry and consumers to it, and write device drivers for any product someone builds. That way the cost of software development is born of the open source community, and local entrepreneurs can spin hardware with local manufacturers to build successful 'regional products'. Gentoos get new toys, many of which are built by people they know I have offered money to any young, talented person wanting to make a name for themselves by championing the cause to develop an open source SCADA system for (Gentoo) linux. No takers. none. Why? This could become an excellent opportunity to teach software development, and migrate the industrial world to Gentoo. Leads me to beleive that everyone has too much cash or are scared to 'step up'. My programming skills have atrofied (like my spelling skills) over time. Furthermore, I'd be most interested in installing this SCADA system somewhere and generating attention as to what promise Gentoo holds for the future. The more of an Entrepreneur I become the less time I have to stay current or maintain my existing skill sets. Youth provides opportunity for greatness. I'm willing to finance greatness. There is no greater need than to develop a (Gentoo) based SCADA system. EVERYONE, except the commmercial SCADA vendors is very, very tired of MicroSuck in the Industrial space Then along comes this Savior Thread where folks are almost interested in giving away their personal capital in the pursuit of foolishness. My answer to Savior Linux is put the check into the mail, and I'll be
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 16:16 +, James wrote: [a rant] I have even offered to spent my limited financial resources to get talented people to develop specific software and make it open source so that it can be used freely, ... Just add your offer to one of these sites. [They may all be offering the same bounties, I didn't look to long or hard]: http://bountycounty.org/2005/12/gnome-bounty/ http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ http://swik.net/GNOME/GNOME+Bounties/GNOME+Bounty+-+Optimization/bohh?talk 'Savior' is something Linux needs. What does Linux need saving from? IMHO Linux is the saviour, and various people are doing a damn fine job of making it better. Better is of course different for everyone, so when I say better, I mean Linux is becoming an acceptable solution for a larger number of people, instead of just geeks (like me...) The simple solution is for perveyours of (Gentoo) linux to stop being 'bone-heads' and start being Entrepreneurs. yeauch. No thanks, the last thing I want to do is become an entrepreneur. I can't even spell it! I just like doing work. I hate all the managerial stuff that comes along. I've been doing some of it for the last few months and its made me want to move to where I can just to some Real Work[tm] again. You make money, become affluent, you can write all the code and give it to whatever cause you want. What the youth of this list do not realize is their Free time combined with strong programming skills is capital. use it wisely, and more capital will flow your way. If you say they don't realise it, you're assuming they want capital. Specifically, I work as an engineer, with machines, industrial processes, communications, Me too. Yet Linux lacks a robust open source SCADA plan. Because there isn't the money for some company to come in and push Linux as being the Way To Go, sell lots of licenses, and make profits. Linux doesn't work that way - too many distributions, too much open source - it scares people (people who want to invest). But, if something you want in Linux doesn't exist yet, write it! I have offered money to any young, talented person wanting to make a name for themselves by championing the cause to develop an open source SCADA system for (Gentoo) linux. No takers. none. Why? This could become an excellent opportunity to teach software development, and migrate the industrial world to Gentoo. We got sick of the pricey commercial SCADA packages that just didn't work well enough, so we wrote our own. We started with the visualisation software, wrote our own data logging software, moved onto a communications library (which we have running on a number of PLC's, real time PC's, windows PC's, industrial controllers, etc) and we're improving it all the time. I'm sure many other companies have done the same thing, but you just don't hear about it. We've just nearly completed a rewrite of the visualisation software, that allows people (for now, just us, in the future, customers) to easily create their own 'screens' to view and control devices. In fact, not long ago we tested our version of our visualisation and communication software against a commercial SCADA package using Modbus TCP over a satellite link. Let me just say that Modbus was atrociously unresponsive in comparison. We've built our software to handle bad connections, especially poor 9600bps modems to remote areas (but I digress)... We've chosen Gentoo to go on our HMI PC's, as well as our industrial controllers (Look back in the archives for some discussions on getting Gentoo to fit in under 64Mb). My answer to Savior Linux is put the check into the mail, and I'll be right there. I think it works the other way around. You might have to do something first, and then see if the check turns up. video controls and display of video needs to be added to the SCADA software. Not there yet. Don't know that we're heading in that direction either... So, do I want your check? Probably not. Will we ever release our software to the public domain? Maybe. Will people use it? Maybe not. The fact is, we started as a small (2 person) company, started writing our own software and hardware design, we were about 8 people when I joined, continued with bigger and better software and hardware with less components made by other people and more by us, and now we're over 30 people, and still moving. I'm sure we're not the only success story in the world. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development. (By [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: A New Linux Way
Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace.net.au writes: Me too. Yet Linux lacks a robust open source SCADA plan. Because there isn't the money for some company to come in and push Linux as being the Way To Go, sell lots of licenses, and make profits. Linux doesn't work that way - too many distributions, too much open source - it scares people (people who want to invest). Well that's why a SCADA plan on Linux is what's needed. It not that it's linux, its that it is a robust SCADA on Linux. Then it can run on any (linux)distro. Gentoo just happens to be one of the better choices. NO you do not have to sell the SCADA software. The money, as IBM puts it is in the installation, consulting, customization, and support of this proposed Linux based SCADA software. Young/new developers would gain keen insight into how the software works, and could become consultants to large organizations or use it for a small business. The bottom line is the number of DSPs, micro controllers, CPU, FPGA and many other sorts of processors are getting 'connected'. Sooner or later the collective Linux community is going to have to address massive machine control. Technical persons will be managing tens of thousands of processors, via computer, and consumers and other users will not be able to surf thru thousands of vendor supplied software applications. For exammple, just go and try to find your copy of a manual to something electrical you purchased more than 3 years ago. Chances are (statistically) the manuals are gone. With operating systems just look at the amount of hardware that is controllable via the kernel, compared to 5 years ago. We are building many, many more electrical devices and it sure would be much simpler to develop software as a management systems approach for thousands of different devices, as opposed to getting the latest vendor supplied application happy with yet another device. But, if something you want in Linux doesn't exist yet, write it! That's the whole point. Why should lots of individuals and small companies spin their own SCADA software package for linux? Why not get a few top developers to develop a SCADA package for linux, then many, many small companies can make money migrating companies with Microsoft base SCADA to Linux Based SCADA, then there is money to develop the SCADA package further. Once the LINUX SCADA system is organized, many other folks could contribute. I have offered money to any young, talented person wanting to make a name for themselves by championing the cause to develop an open source SCADA system for (Gentoo) linux. No takers. none. Why? This could become an excellent opportunity to teach software development, and migrate the industrial world to Gentoo. We got sick of the pricey commercial SCADA packages that just didn't work well enough, so we wrote our own. We started with the visualisation software, wrote our own data logging software, moved onto a communications library (which we have running on a number of PLC's, real time PC's, windows PC's, industrial controllers, etc) and we're improving it all the time. I'm sure many other companies have done the same thing, but you just don't hear about it. We've just nearly completed a rewrite of the visualisation software, that allows people (for now, just us, in the future, customers) to easily create their own 'screens' to view and control devices. Yes, but with hundreds of different PLCs and other devices, wouldn't it make more sense to develop drivers once and a unified SCADA package for linux that is widely used and supported? Imagine if every company wrote their own MTA or web browser what a waste of talent. In fact, not long ago we tested our version of our visualisation and communication software against a commercial SCADA package using Modbus TCP over a satellite link. Let me just say that Modbus was atrociously unresponsive in comparison. We've built our software to handle bad connections, especially poor 9600bps modems to remote areas (but I digress)... We've chosen Gentoo to go on our HMI PC's, as well as our industrial controllers (Look back in the archives for some discussions on getting Gentoo to fit in under 64Mb). Which/what controller hardware runs Gentoo? My answer to Savior Linux is put the check into the mail, and I'll be right there. I think it works the other way around. You might have to do something first, and then see if the check turns up. No, I think you missed the point. The original author is offering vapor-financing. I'm willing to finance a serious SCADA development effort, particularly in the early stages with an open source public license. video controls and display of video needs to be added to the SCADA software. Not there yet. Don't know that we're heading in that direction either... Well let's consider an example, forget intrusion (physical) detection as it's obvious. Consider a very large pump station pulling
