Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp
On 12/23/2012 03:22 PM, luis jure wrote: > well, it seems i have been very lucky indeed. i just emerged jmtpfs as per > mark's suggestion, and it just worked. i just created a /media/galaxy > directory, and an entry in fstab (like yours, but with jmtpfs instead of > mtpfs) and that was it. now i can simply mount /media/galaxy. > > and the best, for those of you using xfce and thunar, in the "multimedia" > tab of preferences -> advanced -> volume manager, i clicked the "portable > music players" check box, and added the command "mount /media/galaxy/". > now when i connect my phablet it is automatically mounted, and i can > umount/eject it from thunar. couldn't be easier, a perfect solution for my > needs! > > > best, > > > lj > I just removed mtpfs and installed jmtpfs from the poly-c overlay, in order to get access to my external SD card in my new Galaxy S3. It was far easier to get to work than mtpfs - and so far jmtpfs hasn't segfaulted yet. Apparently mtpfs only sees the internal SD and not the external one. Trying to get some music on there so I can bring my bluetooth speaker to work so I have something to listen to while I work. It's just me so I don't care too much about automounting, I just put an entry in /etc/fstab and mount it manually when I need to update something. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2012-12-24, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: >> On Monday 24 December 2012 09:24:16 AM IST, Grant Edwards wrote: >>> I'm glad they chose MTP: I want my phone to continue to work while I'm >>> transferring files. In order to mount the filesystem via USB, the >>> phone would have to unmount it (which means it's nothing but a flash >>> drive). In order to mount the filesystem via USB, it also means >>> they'd be forced to use VFAT for the Linux root filesystem, and that >>> sucks bad. >>> >> >> They still use VFAT for the so called sdcard (my Xperia S has internal >> storage, not extensible). > > That's understandable. But for phones with only a single flash device > (like my Nexus Galaxy), using MTP is the only sensical thing to do. > If you want to access only the SD card, then VFAT and USB mass storage > works (well, it works as well as VFAT allows). To a very limited extent. If you have running programs on the phone, they may very well depend on being able to write to the SD card, and may crash if the SD card is removed. In Android, there is _no_ internal storage space for application data; only application code. If an application is supposed to retain data, it needs to be able to put it on the SD card. Similarly, it's very common to move user-installed applications from internal memory to the phone (for many apps, this doesn't require rooting the phone). This is problematic if the filesystem is yanked out from under them while they're running. VFAT is not designed for concurrent access, and should not be used if MTP can be made to work. MTP is there specifically to allow the filesystem to be available to multiple consumers...that of the device and that of the machine the device is plugged into. -- :wq
[gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp
On 2012-12-24, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: > On Monday 24 December 2012 09:24:16 AM IST, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2012-12-23, luis jure wrote: >>> on 2012-12-22 at 17:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> Now, imagine you are the guy at Samsung deciding what features the S2 will support. Which option you gonna pick? >>> >>> yeah, you're right, i guess. but for once i'd like the guys at the >>> corporations to think like me, and not to be forced to think like >>> them... >> >> I'm glad they chose MTP: I want my phone to continue to work while I'm >> transferring files. In order to mount the filesystem via USB, the >> phone would have to unmount it (which means it's nothing but a flash >> drive). In order to mount the filesystem via USB, it also means >> they'd be forced to use VFAT for the Linux root filesystem, and that >> sucks bad. >> > > They still use VFAT for the so called sdcard (my Xperia S has internal > storage, not extensible). That's understandable. But for phones with only a single flash device (like my Nexus Galaxy), using MTP is the only sensical thing to do. If you want to access only the SD card, then VFAT and USB mass storage works (well, it works as well as VFAT allows). -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp
On Monday 24 December 2012 09:24:16 AM IST, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2012-12-23, luis jure wrote: >> on 2012-12-22 at 17:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> Now, imagine you are the guy at Samsung deciding what features the S2 >>> will support. Which option you gonna pick? >> >> yeah, you're right, i guess. but for once i'd like the guys at the >> corporations to think like me, and not to be forced to think like >> them... > > I'm glad they chose MTP: I want my phone to continue to work while I'm > transferring files. In order to mount the filesystem via USB, the > phone would have to unmount it (which means it's nothing but a flash > drive). In order to mount the filesystem via USB, it also means > they'd be forced to use VFAT for the Linux root filesystem, and that > sucks bad. > They still use VFAT for the so called sdcard (my Xperia S has internal storage, not extensible). -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
[gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp
On 2012-12-23, luis jure wrote: > on 2012-12-22 at 17:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: > >>Now, imagine you are the guy at Samsung deciding what features the S2 >>will support. Which option you gonna pick? > > yeah, you're right, i guess. but for once i'd like the guys at the > corporations to think like me, and not to be forced to think like > them... I'm glad they chose MTP: I want my phone to continue to work while I'm transferring files. In order to mount the filesystem via USB, the phone would have to unmount it (which means it's nothing but a flash drive). In order to mount the filesystem via USB, it also means they'd be forced to use VFAT for the Linux root filesystem, and that sucks bad. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp
on 2012-12-22 at 19:55 Daniel Frey wrote: > I really struggled with my Nexus 7 and mtpfs. I did finally get it to > work, well, it seems i have been very lucky indeed. i just emerged jmtpfs as per mark's suggestion, and it just worked. i just created a /media/galaxy directory, and an entry in fstab (like yours, but with jmtpfs instead of mtpfs) and that was it. now i can simply mount /media/galaxy. and the best, for those of you using xfce and thunar, in the "multimedia" tab of preferences -> advanced -> volume manager, i clicked the "portable music players" check box, and added the command "mount /media/galaxy/". now when i connect my phablet it is automatically mounted, and i can umount/eject it from thunar. couldn't be easier, a perfect solution for my needs! best, lj
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp
On 12/22/2012 03:32 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2012-12-21, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:19:10 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: >> >>> I think you can use mtpfs and then browse it like any other disk. > > >> I found that to be rather fragile, jmtpfs works far better for me, with a >> Galaxy S3 and a Nexus 7. > > I couldn't get mtpfs to work either, and I've seen a lot of reports > that it's flakey. > > I second the recommendation for jmtpfs (I'm using version 0.4). I've > had zero problems with my Nexus Galaxy and jmtpfs. > I really struggled with my Nexus 7 and mtpfs. I did finally get it to work, posted under the Nexus 7 thread on the forums: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7135656.html#7135656 I was getting a reliable connection and 8-9MB/sec transfer rate to my device. I had to try all sorts of things to try to get the thing to work. Miraculously, I got it to work after trying many things. I specifically had: * Searching for mtpfs ... [IP-] [ ] sys-fs/mtpfs-1.0:0 installed. I put an entry in /etc/fstab and manually mount it when needed: mtpfs /mnt/nexus7 fuse user,noauto,allow_other 0 0 I remember trying for weeks to get this to work, I don't know if I just lucked out. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp
On Sunday 23 December 2012 05:02:17 AM IST, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2012-12-21, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:19:10 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: >> >>> I think you can use mtpfs and then browse it like any other disk. > > >> I found that to be rather fragile, jmtpfs works far better for me, with a >> Galaxy S3 and a Nexus 7. > > I couldn't get mtpfs to work either, and I've seen a lot of reports > that it's flakey. > > I second the recommendation for jmtpfs (I'm using version 0.4). I've > had zero problems with my Nexus Galaxy and jmtpfs. > MTP never worked for me. I use the FTP server with ES File Explorer over USB Tethering. The process is a bit clumsy, but works at USB transfer speeds. Disable wifi, connect usb and enable usb tethering. Then start ES FTP server and connect to it using the address shown. :D :D -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
[gentoo-user] Re: android and mtp
On 2012-12-21, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:19:10 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: > >> I think you can use mtpfs and then browse it like any other disk. > I found that to be rather fragile, jmtpfs works far better for me, with a > Galaxy S3 and a Nexus 7. I couldn't get mtpfs to work either, and I've seen a lot of reports that it's flakey. I second the recommendation for jmtpfs (I'm using version 0.4). I've had zero problems with my Nexus Galaxy and jmtpfs. -- Grant
