Re: [gentoo-user] Strange issue with YouTube not working at all in some browsers
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Paul Hartmanpaul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: My ISP's DNS servers have 3 strikes against them: 1. It is slow, slow, slow, slow, slow... and did I mention slow? :) 2. They have previously sold user's DNS/browsing history to advertisers. They claim to have stopped, but... 3. They hijack DNS, making every invalid address resolve to an address anyway, which when viewed in a web browser goes to an error page (full of advertisements and sponsored links). You never know if a hostname is really invalid or not, which makes troubleshooting non-HTTP connections interesting. I got the IP of the youtube I go to. Maybe try the IP number instead. http://64.15.120.233/ Hope that helps. That actually worked, sort of. The site and images all load using that IP but videos are apparently served by another host because they get stuck on the loading animation forever. I found a couple other YouTube IPs on Google which also work: http://208.65.153.238/ http://208.117.236.69/ These are the IPs I got for www.youtube.com: youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.100 youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.101 youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.102 youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.113 youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.138 youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.139 So at least I'm getting a little closer. Going to try to find my ISP's DNS servers and perform the lookups on them to see what the difference is. Thanks, Paul I believe I've solved it. I was using the level3 DNS servers (4.2.2.x) which return a different Youtube address than the other open DNS servers or running my own DNS server locally. So my guess is that maybe level3 (GTE, Verizon, whoever it actually is) has one of those special Google servers over on their network. Getting rid of those DNS servers has resolved the problem. Youtube is working normally again. Thanks all for the help.
[gentoo-user] Strange issue with YouTube not working at all in some browsers
Hi, For some reason, YouTube doesn't work for me in some web browsers. It acts like the hostname is not found. When I do host www.youtube.com lookups and tcptraceroute to port 80 and everything else I have tried to diagnose it seems to work just fine. I'm not using a proxy, I don't have youtube in my hosts file, and I haven't encountered this problem with any other website, including all of Google's other sites which I use frequently. I'm totally baffled. Loads perfectly fine in: lynx links (text and graphical mode) Opera Does not load at all in: Seamonkey Konqueror Firefox I tried it at work from a Windows machine (and a different ISP) using all of the above browsers and it worked fine. So I have no idea. I have not tried to do a wireshark capture yet. Has anyone seen this before or have any hints for me? I'm not a big YouTube person so I'm more interested in why this is happening than seeing videos. This has happened in the past with YouTube and after a few weeks it started working normally again. Not sure how long it has been since it stopped. Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange issue with YouTube not working at all in some browsers
On Saturday 01 August 2009 16:53:08 Paul Hartman wrote: Hi, For some reason, YouTube doesn't work for me in some web browsers. It acts like the hostname is not found. When I do host www.youtube.com lookups and tcptraceroute to port 80 and everything else I have tried to diagnose it seems to work just fine. I'm not using a proxy, I don't have youtube in my hosts file, and I haven't encountered this problem with any other website, including all of Google's other sites which I use frequently. I'm totally baffled. Loads perfectly fine in: lynx links (text and graphical mode) Opera Does not load at all in: Seamonkey Konqueror Firefox Those three browsers can all use the same plugins, I'm not sure about the first three. I'd be checking for stuff that works like AdBlock. I especially know of extensions that block YouTube -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange issue with YouTube not working at all in some browsers
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 01 August 2009 16:53:08 Paul Hartman wrote: Hi, For some reason, YouTube doesn't work for me in some web browsers. It acts like the hostname is not found. When I do host www.youtube.com lookups and tcptraceroute to port 80 and everything else I have tried to diagnose it seems to work just fine. I'm not using a proxy, I don't have youtube in my hosts file, and I haven't encountered this problem with any other website, including all of Google's other sites which I use frequently. I'm totally baffled. Loads perfectly fine in: lynx links (text and graphical mode) Opera Does not load at all in: Seamonkey Konqueror Firefox Those three browsers can all use the same plugins, I'm not sure about the first three. I'd be checking for stuff that works like AdBlock. I especially know of extensions that block YouTube To add more confusion: I just tried accessing YouTube over Tor from the very browser in which it refuses to work normally and it loaded fine. So I am leaning heavily towards this being an ISP issue. The fact that traceroute shows no errors really makes me wonder if my ISP (a Cable TV provider) is intentionally blocking YouTube (their competition?). But only for certain browsers? It doesn't make any sense. Following that thought -- I wonder if there is a special YouTube server for my ISP and the standard/outside YouTube server farm is blocked? I've read about Google hosting servers at or near major ISPs to reduce the number of hops, but have never heard anything about my ISP doing it. I do not use my ISP's DNS servers, so I could very well be trying access a different YouTube. I guess I will have to do some lookups on their servers and compare the results. My ISP's DNS servers have 3 strikes against them: 1. It is slow, slow, slow, slow, slow... and did I mention slow? :) 2. They have previously sold user's DNS/browsing history to advertisers. They claim to have stopped, but... 3. They hijack DNS, making every invalid address resolve to an address anyway, which when viewed in a web browser goes to an error page (full of advertisements and sponsored links). You never know if a hostname is really invalid or not, which makes troubleshooting non-HTTP connections interesting.
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange issue with YouTube not working at all in some browsers
On Saturday 01 August 2009, Paul Hartman wrote: My ISP's DNS servers have 3 strikes against them: 1. It is slow, slow, slow, slow, slow... and did I mention slow? :) 2. They have previously sold user's DNS/browsing history to advertisers. They claim to have stopped, but... 3. They hijack DNS, making every invalid address resolve to an address anyway, which when viewed in a web browser goes to an error page (full of advertisements and sponsored links). You never know if a hostname is really invalid or not, which makes troubleshooting non-HTTP connections interesting. http://www.opendns.com is your friend. :) I switched a few months back and not regretted it. HTH -Robin -- -- Robin Atwood. Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst, Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst from Mandalay by Rudyard Kipling --
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange issue with YouTube not working at all in some browsers
On Saturday 01 August 2009 18:56:24 Paul Hartman wrote: Following that thought -- I wonder if there is a special YouTube server for my ISP and the standard/outside YouTube server farm is blocked? I've read about Google hosting servers at or near major ISPs to reduce the number of hops, but have never heard anything about my ISP doing it. I do not use my ISP's DNS servers, so I could very well be trying access a different YouTube. I guess I will have to do some lookups on their servers and compare the results. That is certainly possible - Google has YouTube caches all over the world. It's not inconceivable that tweaks for specific browsers accidentally nuke the content. The test for this would be to try to view videos through a different ISP Are you able to do this? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange issue with YouTube not working at all in some browsers
Paul Hartman wrote: My ISP's DNS servers have 3 strikes against them: 1. It is slow, slow, slow, slow, slow... and did I mention slow? :) 2. They have previously sold user's DNS/browsing history to advertisers. They claim to have stopped, but... 3. They hijack DNS, making every invalid address resolve to an address anyway, which when viewed in a web browser goes to an error page (full of advertisements and sponsored links). You never know if a hostname is really invalid or not, which makes troubleshooting non-HTTP connections interesting. I got the IP of the youtube I go to. Maybe try the IP number instead. http://64.15.120.233/ Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange issue with YouTube not working at all in some browsers
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: My ISP's DNS servers have 3 strikes against them: 1. It is slow, slow, slow, slow, slow... and did I mention slow? :) 2. They have previously sold user's DNS/browsing history to advertisers. They claim to have stopped, but... 3. They hijack DNS, making every invalid address resolve to an address anyway, which when viewed in a web browser goes to an error page (full of advertisements and sponsored links). You never know if a hostname is really invalid or not, which makes troubleshooting non-HTTP connections interesting. I got the IP of the youtube I go to. Maybe try the IP number instead. http://64.15.120.233/ Hope that helps. That actually worked, sort of. The site and images all load using that IP but videos are apparently served by another host because they get stuck on the loading animation forever. I found a couple other YouTube IPs on Google which also work: http://208.65.153.238/ http://208.117.236.69/ These are the IPs I got for www.youtube.com: youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.100 youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.101 youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.102 youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.113 youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.138 youtube-ui.l.google.com has address 72.14.213.139 So at least I'm getting a little closer. Going to try to find my ISP's DNS servers and perform the lookups on them to see what the difference is. Thanks, Paul
