Re: [gentoo-user] The hopeless futility of printing.
On 29/01/2024 18:19, Alan Grimes wrote: k...@aspodata.se wrote: >> Absolutely suprimo HP laser jet network printer. You didn't write what model, hard to help you then. It's a LaserJet Pro M453-4. I have absolutely no trouble with HP. But I always used hplip. I notice though it's not installed on my current server/workstation ??? That prints fine. My printer's an M477 - with scanner and everything - but that's configured as "scan to network" so it just opens a samba share and dumps the scan there. Under "make and model", cups says "HP Color LaserJet Series PCL 6 CUPS". Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] The hopeless futility of printing.
On Monday, 29 January 2024 18:19:19 GMT Alan Grimes wrote: > It's a LaserJet Pro M453-4. You shouldn't need hplip drivers and what not, IPP Everywhere ought to allow driverless CUPS to allow you to print: https://www.pwg.org/printers/ > When I was shopping for it, there was a $350 model with wireless, and a > $450 model without wireless, I was like OMG, i DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT > WIRELESS??? SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!! Aw, the drama of it all! o_O > Apparently there is a stack of about twenty baroque, fiddly, obscure, > and broken demons and libraries that all must work together perfectly to > get the darn thing to work. Each of those packages are advertised as > being the epitome of convenience and plug-and-play perfection except > they don't work, at all... It's well past the point of being pointful > to mess with it. Even if I got it working today, It would be broken > tomorrow in such a way that I'd have no hope of diagnosing or fixing it. =| Read these pages to get to grips with the basics for CUPS: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Printing (No need for USE="zeroconf" if you prefer static IP addresses in your LAN) Then check this page to try out the IPP everywhere driver: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Driverless_printing Finally, if IPP Everywhere fails to connect and print, try the old hplip driver: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/HPLIP HTH. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] The hopeless futility of printing.
k...@aspodata.se wrote: >> Absolutely suprimo HP laser jet network printer. You didn't write what model, hard to help you then. It's a LaserJet Pro M453-4. When I was shopping for it, there was a $350 model with wireless, and a $450 model without wireless, I was like OMG, i DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WIRELESS??? SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!! Hopefully that $100 will send the message that I REALLY don't want wireless in my printer. Apparently there is a stack of about twenty baroque, fiddly, obscure, and broken demons and libraries that all must work together perfectly to get the darn thing to work. Each of those packages are advertised as being the epitome of convenience and plug-and-play perfection except they don't work, at all... It's well past the point of being pointful to mess with it. Even if I got it working today, It would be broken tomorrow in such a way that I'd have no hope of diagnosing or fixing it. =| -- You can't out-crazy a Democrat. #EggCrisis #BlackWinter White is the new Kulak. Powers are not rights.
Re: [gentoo-user] The hopeless futility of printing.
On Monday, 29 January 2024 11:11:41 GMT k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Alan Grimes:
> > I spent $450 for the most beautifulest printer ever made.
>
> That is not true, because I own the most beautiful printer:)
>
> > Absolutely suprimo HP laser jet network printer.
>
> You didn't write what model, hard to help you then.
>
> ///
>
> What I do is, well it is just me I guess:
>
> 0, print out a test page from the printers menu
> 1, check the printers network config and ping the printer
> 2, put the printer in postscript mode/emulation and send something
>simple as to it using lpr:
>
> %A4: 210 297mm
> %72 per tum, 72/25.4 per mm
> /a 72 25.4 div def
> a a scale
> 0.1 setlinewidth
>
> 0 3 297 { 0 exch moveto 210 0 rlineto stroke } for
>
> 0 3 210 { 0 moveto 0 297 rlineto stroke } for
>
> showpage
>
> 3, if it can print postscript via lpr, then keep doing that and ignore
>cups.
>
> ///
>
> What messes things up is people pressing the wifi-button (if there is
> one) while on cable, which messes up the network config.
>
> If it works with MS-Windows, it can be autodetect (udns, avahi) is
> missing on your linux box. I usually set printers to fixed ip-address
> and add it to the local dns for easy access, so I shut down any udns
> thing; I like a quiet network.
>
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar
I've had a couple of printers over the years, including a HP InkJet. Once I
spent some time to configure them I didn't have to touch anything again.
Occasionally, after many years, some change in CUPS might require particular
attention/reconfiguration. By all accounts this is a rare event.
The OP can check the protocol/port used by the MSWindows machine and use the
same to configure CUPS on Linux. As long as the correct driver (or IPP
Everywhere) is installed/selected the printer should just work. The CUPS
webgui help pages and the interwebs usually contain enough information to get
most printers working on Apple/Linux.
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Re: [gentoo-user] The hopeless futility of printing.
Alan Grimes:
> I spent $450 for the most beautifulest printer ever made.
That is not true, because I own the most beautiful printer:)
> Absolutely suprimo HP laser jet network printer.
You didn't write what model, hard to help you then.
///
What I do is, well it is just me I guess:
0, print out a test page from the printers menu
1, check the printers network config and ping the printer
2, put the printer in postscript mode/emulation and send something
simple as to it using lpr:
%A4: 210 297mm
%72 per tum, 72/25.4 per mm
/a 72 25.4 div def
a a scale
0.1 setlinewidth
0 3 297 { 0 exch moveto 210 0 rlineto stroke } for
0 3 210 { 0 moveto 0 297 rlineto stroke } for
showpage
3, if it can print postscript via lpr, then keep doing that and ignore
cups.
///
What messes things up is people pressing the wifi-button (if there is
one) while on cable, which messes up the network config.
If it works with MS-Windows, it can be autodetect (udns, avahi) is
missing on your linux box. I usually set printers to fixed ip-address
and add it to the local dns for easy access, so I shut down any udns
thing; I like a quiet network.
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
[gentoo-user] The hopeless futility of printing.
I spent $450 for the most beautifulest printer ever made. Absolutely suprimo HP laser jet network printer. I even have a test page from linux to prove that it did work, once... After going through unholy hell, with help from this list, I got it to print a second time. Naturally, when I went back to print something on it again, it doesn't work anymore. I have no idea why. None of the fiddly button is in the CUPS web interface do anything useful. My windows machine has no problem with it. I would ask for help agin but there's no goddamn point. The damn thing is just too hopelessly foobar that there's no point expending any more effort on it. If anyone asked me I'd suggest they get a bargain barrel windows machine because that's the only way you will ever be able to print stuff out exactly when you need stuff printed out. =| -- You can't out-crazy a Democrat. #EggCrisis #BlackWinter White is the new Kulak. Powers are not rights.
