Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Searching for a solution to a logical problem...
On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 07:45 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, The problem for which I am looking for a workaround is not based on a bug -- it is a logical problem. I am using session manager like KDE/Gnome/XFCE and others but openbox as a window manager. The mapping of keystrokes to certain funtionalities is a common feature or most applications nowadays. And with this keymappings there come the conflicting of keymappings into existence... With openbox I have mapped Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-right to next-desktop and previous-desktop. When starting blender, which is a great keymapper also, I know have lost the keymapping which is mapped to Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-right, since openbox catches this one and blender does not get a glimpse of it. The remapping of lost keymaps not always helps, since often used functions are mapped to key combos, which can be reached easily. Those are used often and therefore overlap often. Remapping to avoid conflicts then led to situations where a simple del-char of an editor is mapped to something awful like Left-Ctrl-ALT-6 (exaggerated...;) Since there is one rule in the internet: You are not the first person haveing a certain problem... I dare to ask :) . Is there any way to ease this situation? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Have nice sunday! Best regards, mcc What a immensely long way to ask a simple question! Here's the simple (and brief answer): You can't have an app and window manager use the same keybindings. AFAIK the window manager will always win. Best solution is to change the bindings of one or the other. Personally, I'd cjamge. (CTRL-Left/Right) is simply too simple of a keybinding to have grabbed at the window manager level. I actually use CTRL-ALT-Up/Down to switch (vertical) workspaces. I believe CTRL-ALT-Arrow_keys is the default on most window managers because it's sane, which the openbox setting is not.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Searching for a solution to a logical problem...
Albert W. Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org [11-11-06 12:08]: On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 07:45 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, The problem for which I am looking for a workaround is not based on a bug -- it is a logical problem. I am using session manager like KDE/Gnome/XFCE and others but openbox as a window manager. The mapping of keystrokes to certain funtionalities is a common feature or most applications nowadays. And with this keymappings there come the conflicting of keymappings into existence... With openbox I have mapped Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-right to next-desktop and previous-desktop. When starting blender, which is a great keymapper also, I know have lost the keymapping which is mapped to Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-right, since openbox catches this one and blender does not get a glimpse of it. The remapping of lost keymaps not always helps, since often used functions are mapped to key combos, which can be reached easily. Those are used often and therefore overlap often. Remapping to avoid conflicts then led to situations where a simple del-char of an editor is mapped to something awful like Left-Ctrl-ALT-6 (exaggerated...;) Since there is one rule in the internet: You are not the first person haveing a certain problem... I dare to ask :) . Is there any way to ease this situation? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Have nice sunday! Best regards, mcc What a immensely long way to ask a simple question! Here's the simple (and brief answer): You can't have an app and window manager use the same keybindings. AFAIK the window manager will always win. Best solution is to change the bindings of one or the other. Personally, I'd cjamge. (CTRL-Left/Right) is simply too simple of a keybinding to have grabbed at the window manager level. I actually use CTRL-ALT-Up/Down to switch (vertical) workspaces. I believe CTRL-ALT-Arrow_keys is the default on most window managers because it's sane, which the openbox setting is not. The question was not that simple as this answer implies and which convice me again and again to send postings which explain in detail what I really mean.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Searching for a solution to a logical problem...
If I am understanding the problem, maybe what you should do is to choose a window manager that can disable a given binding when the focus is at a given window (blender, in this case). I think fvwm can do this, but it takes some learning to use it with proficiency. In any case, there will always be shortcomings to this. While you are working at blender you will surely sometimes activate that key combo hoping for the blender functionality, but sometimes you will forget you are working with it and hence you will expect that combo to take you to another desktop. The only real solution is mind-reading, which computer will handle someday, but not quite yet. In the while, what I suggest you is to use saner bindings. In a pc the mod4/win key does nothing useful, if you become accustomed to use it for all your WM bindings there will not be conflicts with most applications, probably. That's what I do. Learning some WMs can be time consuming, but configuring the keybindings is usually quick enough. -- Jesús Guerrero Botella
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Searching for a solution to a logical problem...
Jesús J. Guerrero Botella jesus.guerrero.bote...@gmail.com [11-11-06 12:32]: If I am understanding the problem, maybe what you should do is to choose a window manager that can disable a given binding when the focus is at a given window (blender, in this case). I think fvwm can do this, but it takes some learning to use it with proficiency. In any case, there will always be shortcomings to this. While you are working at blender you will surely sometimes activate that key combo hoping for the blender functionality, but sometimes you will forget you are working with it and hence you will expect that combo to take you to another desktop. The only real solution is mind-reading, which computer will handle someday, but not quite yet. In the while, what I suggest you is to use saner bindings. In a pc the mod4/win key does nothing useful, if you become accustomed to use it for all your WM bindings there will not be conflicts with most applications, probably. That's what I do. Learning some WMs can be time consuming, but configuring the keybindings is usually quick enough. -- Jesús Guerrero Botella Hi Jesús, yes, seems to be the only way to... :) Sideeffect: There is no mod4/win on my keyboard... ;) ... I am using an IBM model M of 1988...a time, when win-keys where pure science fiction. Buth this doesn't nullify the idea of make all keybindings unique in any way! It seems there is a lot of work ahead for me :) Thank you for your help and for your understanding! Have a nice sunday! Best regards, mcc
