Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
Grant wrote: > I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility > is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in > other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a > Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the > utility via wine with no luck. > > - Grant > > I'm not surprised wine won't work: it is a non privileged program (besides its incomplete nature). Does the flashing program open a cmd session?
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Grant wrote: > I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility > is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in > other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a > Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the > utility via wine with no luck. > > - Grant > > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-pocket,1113.html
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
Am Dienstag 19 Januar 2010 17:26:40 schrieb Grant: > I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility > is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in > other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a > Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the > utility via wine with no luck. Did you try the flashing utilities from the coreboot project? HTH... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
>> I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility >> is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in >> other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a >> Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the >> utility via wine with no luck. > > Did you try the flashing utilities from the coreboot project? I looked into that, but the only Biostar motherboard in their list of supported hardware is an old Pentium II/III: http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
>> I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility >> is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in >> other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a >> Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the >> utility via wine with no luck. >> >> - Grant >> >> > I'm not surprised wine won't work: it is a non privileged program > (besides its incomplete nature). Does the flashing program open a cmd > session? Unfortunately no, just a little GUI. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
>> I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility >> is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in >> other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a >> Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the >> utility via wine with no luck. >> >> - Grant >> >> > > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-pocket,1113.html XP on a USB stick It sounds like a Windows machine is necessary to build it, but once it's built it would be really handy. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Grant wrote: >>> I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility >>> is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in >>> other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a >>> Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the >>> utility via wine with no luck. >>> >>> - Grant >>> >>> >> >> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-pocket,1113.html > > XP on a USB stick It sounds like a Windows machine is necessary > to build it, but once it's built it would be really handy. > > - Grant > > I keep one around. It works sometimes, as long as your Windows machine hardware doesn't need anything terribly unique. It's helped me with flashing firmware on RME sound cards. They require Windows also. Just thought I'd mention it. It's a bit of work, but once it's done you don't have to mess with Windows on the disk. Good luck, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
Am Dienstag 19 Januar 2010 20:23:53 schrieb Grant: > >> I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility > >> is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in > >> other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a > >> Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the > >> utility via wine with no luck. > > > > Did you try the flashing utilities from the coreboot project? > > I looked into that, but the only Biostar motherboard in their list of > supported hardware is an old Pentium II/III: > > http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards That's the list of supported boards for coreboot itself. I was talking about their flashrom tool (www.flashrom.org). Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
On 19 Jan 2010, at 18:24, Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Grant wrote: I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the utility via wine with no luck. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-pocket,1113.html Isn't it the case that you need Windows to install that? Yay! I love recursion! Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the utility via wine with no luck. - Grant >>> >>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-pocket,1113.html >> >> XP on a USB stick It sounds like a Windows machine is necessary >> to build it, but once it's built it would be really handy. >> >> - Grant >> >> > > I keep one around. It works sometimes, as long as your Windows machine > hardware doesn't need anything terribly unique. It's helped me with > flashing firmware on RME sound cards. They require Windows also. > > Just thought I'd mention it. It's a bit of work, but once it's done > you don't have to mess with Windows on the disk. > > Good luck, > Mark Hi Mark, What's wrong with hardware that needs unique software? Doesn't the USB key work just like XP on an HD? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
On 19 Jan 2010, at 19:34, Grant wrote: ... XP on a USB stick It sounds like a Windows machine is necessary to build it, but once it's built it would be really handy. I have found my attempts at building this or a CD-based PE very frustrating indeed. It seems like an awful lot of aggro when you could just download exactly the same thing that someone else has already built, if only the license permitted it. Perhaps it's just seemed like a lot of work because it's never been a goal of mine to make a bootable Windows CD or USB stick - I've always been trying to build them in order to help me achieve some other goal, and it's been far more faffing about that I've been prepared to tolerate. There used to be plenty of PE builds available by the usual pirate sites, but I have no idea whether that's still the case. I seem to be getting more efficient at not needing them. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
>> >> I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility >> >> is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in >> >> other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a >> >> Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the >> >> utility via wine with no luck. >> > >> > Did you try the flashing utilities from the coreboot project? >> >> I looked into that, but the only Biostar motherboard in their list of >> supported hardware is an old Pentium II/III: >> >> http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards > > That's the list of supported boards for coreboot itself. I was talking about > their flashrom tool (www.flashrom.org). I should be able to use flashrom to flash my motherboard's BIOS? Do I need to check compatibility, or do I just go for it? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Stroller wrote: > > On 19 Jan 2010, at 18:24, Mark Knecht wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Grant wrote: >>> >>> I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility >>> is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in >>> other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a >>> Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the >>> utility via wine with no luck. >> >> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-pocket,1113.html > > Isn't it the case that you need Windows to install that? > > Yay! I love recursion! > > Stroller. > Yep - it's absolutely recursive. However how can you use Windows if you don't own a copy to use? I have licenses. If someone doesn't have a license then this isn't a good solution. - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Grant wrote: > I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility > is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in > other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a > Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the > utility via wine with no luck. > > - Grant > > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-pocket,1113.html >>> >>> XP on a USB stick It sounds like a Windows machine is necessary >>> to build it, but once it's built it would be really handy. >>> >>> - Grant >>> >>> >> >> I keep one around. It works sometimes, as long as your Windows machine >> hardware doesn't need anything terribly unique. It's helped me with >> flashing firmware on RME sound cards. They require Windows also. >> >> Just thought I'd mention it. It's a bit of work, but once it's done >> you don't have to mess with Windows on the disk. >> >> Good luck, >> Mark > > Hi Mark, > > What's wrong with hardware that needs unique software? Doesn't the > USB key work just like XP on an HD? > > - Grant > > Sure, but if you set this up on one machine and then try to use it on another machine that has different hardware then it may or may not work. My experience is mostly it doesn't. I've wanted to learn to set up a little library of USB images of which I'd load the one I wanted into the flash drive when I needed it, but the flash drives are so cheap these days that it's just easier to have 5 or 6 of them laying around. Then the only problem is remembering which one works with a specific machine. - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
Am Dienstag 19 Januar 2010 23:58:24 schrieb Grant: > I should be able to use flashrom to flash my motherboard's BIOS? Do I > need to check compatibility, or do I just go for it? This exercise is left to the interested reader ;) Seriously, of course you should check compatibility before you use it. The devs also state on the project web site that you would get help quite fast via IRC, if you'd run into problems. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Grant wrote: > I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility > is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in > other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a > Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the > utility via wine with no luck. Some Biostar motherboards have a flashing utility built-in. Try to press F12 or something during POST, or check the manual to see what the key might possibly be if your motherboard has such a function.
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
>> I need to update the BIOS on my Biostar motherboard, but the utility >> is said to be "Windows 2000 / XP / VISTA". I've flashed the BIOS in >> other systems by booting a FreeDOS CD, but that won't work for a >> Windows (not DOS) flashing utility, will it? I tried running the >> utility via wine with no luck. > > Some Biostar motherboards have a flashing utility built-in. Try to > press F12 or something during POST, or check the manual to see what > the key might possibly be if your motherboard has such a function. Thank you, this is how I ended up doing it. It sounds like most modern motherboards are including an OS-independent flashing method so that's great. An XP USB key only working on one system doesn't sound as good as I thought, and it doesn't sound like there is much history of coreboot working out with people here. Maybe it just isn't necessary much any more? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Flashing BIOS with Windows utility
>> XP on a USB stick It sounds like a Windows machine is necessary >> to build it, but once it's built it would be really handy. > > I have found my attempts at building this or a CD-based PE very frustrating > indeed. It seems like an awful lot of aggro when you could just download > exactly the same thing that someone else has already built, if only the > license permitted it. > > Perhaps it's just seemed like a lot of work because it's never been a goal > of mine to make a bootable Windows CD or USB stick - I've always been trying > to build them in order to help me achieve some other goal, and it's been far > more faffing about that I've been prepared to tolerate. > > There used to be plenty of PE builds available by the usual pirate sites, > but I have no idea whether that's still the case. I seem to be getting more > efficient at not needing them. > > Stroller. Has anyone tried winbuilder: http://winbuilder.net/ It's supposed to be great. - Grant
