Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
Grant wrote: My main concern is the memory. My motherboad supports PC100 memory as well as a 133fsb although it's not running at that speed now. I'll have to crank it up to 133fsb to support the Tualatin CPU, and I wonder how that will affect the PC-100 memory. Would it be better to buy good Kingston PC-100 memory and hope it can handle the extra speed, That won't work, not reliably. or to buy PC-133 memory for the motherboard that officially supports PC-100. If your motherboard supports FSB at 133 MHz, then it should support PC-133 memory. Benno -- Cetere mi opinias ke ne ĉio tradukenda estas. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
My main concern is the memory. My motherboad supports PC100 memory as well as a 133fsb although it's not running at that speed now. I'll have to crank it up to 133fsb to support the Tualatin CPU, and I wonder how that will affect the PC-100 memory. Would it be better to buy good Kingston PC-100 memory and hope it can handle the extra speed, That won't work, not reliably. or to buy PC-133 memory for the motherboard that officially supports PC-100. If your motherboard supports FSB at 133 MHz, then it should support PC-133 memory. Everything I've read says it (i810E motherboard) supports 66/100/133 fsb and PC-100 memory. I've read that some BIOSes allow you to adjust the memory clock (fsb, fsb+33, fsb-33) but I don't have that option in my BIOS. Could there be a jumper on the motherboard somewhere? If I plug in the new CPU and something goes wrong, is there a way to tell if it's because my PC-100 memory can't handle the 133 fsb or because my motherboard isn't compatible with Tuatalin CPUs? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
On Friday 08 September 2006 17:59, Grant wrote: My main concern is the memory. My motherboad supports PC100 memory as well as a 133fsb although it's not running at that speed now. I'll have to crank it up to 133fsb to support the Tualatin CPU, In that case, you should buy as much 133MHz memory you can and install it after you set the jumpers on your MoBo for 133 FSB. The 100MHz RAM will work but drag everything down with it to 100MHz. That said I am not sure if the speed difference is worth the cost of the faster memory. You can google for some vintage hardware reviews to see what's the performance difference. When I looked into upgrading my PIII 600MHz Coppermine, I came to the conclusion that it was cheaper to buy a faster machine from Ebay complete with memory and all. Most of these upgrades make sense if you find a box with a totalled disk, RAM, CPU and use what's working and suitable for your needs. The alternative can be false economy. On the other hand there are IT fairs and back yard sales (depending where you live) where you could pick up a bargain - a mate won't let me forget that he picked up a 2.8GHz P4 from the streets of London two years ago and the only thing wrong with it was a jammed CD in the CDRW drive!!! Lucky guy! Good luck. :-) -- Regards, Mick pgpRJjgcbjdsL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
Grant wrote: I'm going to try a Tualatin P3-1.26 in my i810E motherboard. I did a ton of research and I think my motherboard will support it. It comes down to whether or not it's a revision B board. lspci -v just says (rev 3). eBay has it for $31 shipped and guaranteed not DOA. My main concern is the memory. My motherboad supports PC100 memory as well as a 133fsb although it's not running at that speed now. I'll have to crank it up to 133fsb to support the Tualatin CPU, and I wonder how that will affect the PC-100 memory. Would it be better to buy good Kingston PC-100 memory and hope it can handle the extra speed, or to buy PC-133 memory for the motherboard that officially supports PC-100. One thing that comes to mind is that the Tualatin P3-1.26 is a server cpu and does not work in many desktop boards (I have *heard* that it requires motherboard/memory ECC). If you've done the checking, and the board is suitable then cool. Assuming that is the case :-), I would hunt PC133 memory on ebay - there is a lot of it, and provided the Dell does not require rare or odd DIMM layouts, it should be cheap. Again - check if you need to buy ECC memory due to the choice of cpu (that will make it more expensive!). With respect to the question yeah - but is it worth upgrading? - I think there is plenty of life left in PIII machinery - I run one of these: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/P3/VIA/P3TDDE.cfm and it is just great! Cheers Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
One thing that comes to mind is that the Tualatin P3-1.26 is a server cpu and does not work in many desktop boards (I have *heard* that it requires motherboard/memory ECC). If you've done the checking, and the board is suitable then cool. It sounds like you're talking about the Pentium III-S. Are you sure the Pentium III-S has specific motherboard and memory requirements? The one I got was advertised as Pentium III, not Pentium III-S, but I'll send an email about that now. Good call. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_III#Tualatin Tualatin performed quite well, especially in variations which had 512 KiB L2 cache (called the Pentium III-S). The Pentium III-S variant was mainly intended for servers, especially those where power consumption mattered, i.e., thin blade servers. I would hunt PC133 memory on ebay So you think PC-133 should work in a motherboard that only officially supports PC-100? With respect to the question yeah - but is it worth upgrading? - I think there is plenty of life left in PIII machinery Yeah, I should be able to get a *lot* more power out of my MythTV system (also a wireless router and firewall) with a $31 CPU upgrade and ~$35 memory upgrade. That's just plain worth it. :) Plus, I figure I can start saving the parts I upgrade for another (slower) system. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
Grant wrote: One thing that comes to mind is that the Tualatin P3-1.26 is a server cpu and does not work in many desktop boards (I have *heard* that it requires motherboard/memory ECC). If you've done the checking, and the board is suitable then cool. It sounds like you're talking about the Pentium III-S. Are you sure the Pentium III-S has specific motherboard and memory requirements? The one I got was advertised as Pentium III, not Pentium III-S, but I'll send an email about that now. Good call. Right - but they are not always labeled with the trailing 'S' - so you need to check the Sspec no. for the cpu you are buying (e.g SL5QL). As for am I sure - no, just the warning These parts are intended for server design applications, which will not work on a standard desktop board - e.g : http://www.asisupport.com/intel_server_tualatin.htm I would hunt PC133 memory on ebay So you think PC-133 should work in a motherboard that only officially supports PC-100? Oops - I must have mis-read your original posting - sorry. The i810E *chipset* supports 133 Mhz operation as far as I can tell... interesting that the Mobo does not. So... err all bets off for PC133 memory - it *might* work ok, but I guess you won't get as much benefit from the new cpu... Hmm - when I got stuck in a situation similar to this, I ditched the vendor PC mobo (an HP in my case) and bought a new one on ebay - for about $50, that fitted in the case and supported what I wanted to run (IIRC it was 1Ghz PIII and PC133 memory). Cheers Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
Jean-Marc Beaune wrote: Hi, Look at http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags Then 'emerge -e system', then 'emerge -e world'. Good luck! On 9/7/06, *Grant* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a Celeron 700 Dell desktop and I'd like to upgrade the CPU if I can. What type of CPU should I look for? How can I tell what will be compatible? Also, how can I tell what kind of memory would be compatible? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailto:gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- /JM How does that help answer his question? Did you reply to the wrong email maybe?? You may have to look at your mobo to get a model or something and google it. If it is a Dell or something just google for the model and upgrade to see what happens. I have seen some old ones that there was not much to upgrade. Depends on what you can find on ebay sometimes. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 20:54 -0700, Grant wrote: I've got a Celeron 700 Dell desktop and I'd like to upgrade the CPU if I can. What type of CPU should I look for? How can I tell what will be compatible? from memory that would be either a slot 1 or socket 370. The slot 1 looks like a rectangular riser board, with the CPU soldered on it. Quite often they had a heat-sink (usually a big one) and no fan. The socket 370 is a square CPU that usually just plugs onto the motherboard as usual. Either way, you probably want to go for a Pentium III. Unfortunately, Dell do their best to make sure you can't update your hardware with standard non-Dell parts :o, and since I've only ever done this to a non-Dell PC, YMMV! There is a small chance it's a Pentium-4 based Celeron, but I think they started at the mid 1.x GHz - someone else can correct me here. The Celeron 700 was a 66MHz FSB, at a 10.5 multiplier[1], so if your board can do 133MHz, I think you can get a 1.3GHz PIII... not sure. Depending on your board, frequency multiplier, etc, it may only take up to a 933MHz CPU, or if it supports Tualatin it may go above 1 GHz (but not by all that much). More info needed here - look in your bios or provide us with the dell model number. Given that it's an older board, I'd go for the fastest CPU you can get, which is hopefully a Pentium III 133MHz FSB. Given that the Pentium III 600 outperformed the Celeron 700[2], I'd say a nice PIII 933 would make a marked improvement!! If it doesn't support Tualatin, you can get a used working 933/133 Socket 370 for about AU$25 off ebay. You can get a used working Slot 1, PIII 933/133 for about AU$35 depending on availability at the time. I don't know the Tualatin prices, because I never looked for one! (my old boards don't support it)... Anyway, you will have to go to ebay or something like that, cause I don't know if anyone stocks them, unless you find a good 2nd hand computer store. Also, how can I tell what kind of memory would be compatible? again, more info needed. Have a look in your bios and see what it says about your memory. If it was a desktop Dell, it's probably standard SDRAM, 100 or 133 MHz. Don't know if you can buy this stuff new anymore - may have to go to ebay again. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Celeron_microprocessors [2] http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1264p=6 HTH, and is accurate! -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au It's always darkest just before the lights go out. -- Alex Clark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
Hi, Look at http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags Then 'emerge -e system', then 'emerge -e world'. Good luck! On 9/7/06, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a Celeron 700 Dell desktop and I'd like to upgrade the CPU ifI can.What type of CPU should I look for?How can I tell what will be compatible?Also, how can I tell what kind of memory would be compatible?- Grant--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- /JM
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} New CPU for my motherboard
Grant wrote: I've got a Celeron 700 Dell desktop and I'd like to upgrade the CPU if I can. What type of CPU should I look for? How can I tell what will be compatible? Also, how can I tell what kind of memory would be compatible? Dell have (or had last time I looked) online manuals for their stuff. So if you identify your system model number (prob on the chassis), try looking it up on the Dell support site. Last time I did this there was quite good info about what sort of memory and cpu the systems would take. In addition the sites for the memory suppliers (Kingston, Micron etc) have memory finder apps that will help you out (once you know your system number!). Cheers Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
