Re: [gentoo-user] Good arguments to use Gentoo Linux?
Hello, - Gentoo has an important, active, community - Completly configurable - power of portage Best regards Trax qfpvajdy wrote: Hello, I would like to convince my boss and my collegues to use Gentoo GNU/Linux at the company office for the desktop system (and maybe one day also for servers). Currently everybody uses its own Linux/Unix system, but soon we could be forced to uses for everybody only one system. I must probably convince the people to use Gentoo Linux against RedHat Scientific Linux and FreeBSD. Does somebody has some good key arguments? The mines are: - newests packages with newests security updates, encryption support and full integreated KDE desktop to be used in office without problems - high performance desktop Best regards, saf -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Good arguments to use Gentoo Linux?
Givernaud Omar wrote: Hello, - Gentoo has an important, active, community - Completly configurable - power of portage Best regards Trax qfpvajdy wrote: Hello, I would like to convince my boss and my collegues to use Gentoo GNU/Linux at the company office for the desktop system (and maybe one day also for servers). Currently everybody uses its own Linux/Unix system, but soon we could be forced to uses for everybody only one system. I must probably convince the people to use Gentoo Linux against RedHat Scientific Linux and FreeBSD. Does somebody has some good key arguments? The mines are: - newests packages with newests security updates, encryption support and full integreated KDE desktop to be used in office without problems - high performance desktop Best regards, saf Bottom posting here. :D Also has some of the best docs there is. I know because most of the time when I have a problem, someone points me to them. ;-) Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967
Re: [gentoo-user] Good arguments to use Gentoo Linux?
Hi, On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:37:27 +0100 (CET) qfpvajdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to convince my boss and my collegues to use Gentoo GNU/Linux at the company office for the desktop system (and maybe one day also for servers). Currently everybody uses its own Linux/Unix system, but soon we could be forced to uses for everybody only one system. Does somebody has some good key arguments? The mines are: - newests packages with newests security updates, encryption support and full integreated KDE desktop to be used in office without problems - high performance desktop Those are not important in any case where the budget dictates matters (i.e. everywhere). Those aren't even good things to bring into play against RH and FBSD, because those do that fine, too. What really matters boils down to: - easy, cost-effective maintainance (I doubt that Gentoo will be the winner after all) - more productive for the task (I would say that Gentoo would be that e.g. for software development) - needed customization can be done the easiest - admin skills are available -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Good arguments to use Gentoo Linux?
Bottom posting here. :D Also has some of the best docs there is. I know because most of the time when I have a problem, someone points me to them. ;-) Dale I concur, gentoo IMO provides more to the OSS with the ability to compile the whole system wit h debug options, yet with a splitdebug feature to prevent the usefulness of full stack traces all the way to glibc degrading run time performance :) Also, documentation in gentoo and amongst her users are unparalleled. Often when you just google for a generic problem somebody is having with an app or with their distro in linux in general, more often than not the solution or howto will be found in gentoo-wiki.com or the gentoo forums. Debian users are too elitist, most of them will just tell you to RTFM. Gentoo's IRC help room is devoid of such sectarian elitisim. :) Power to the people, freedom for the user. - Kent -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Good arguments to use Gentoo Linux?
-Original Message- From: Hans-Werner Hilse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2007 10:06 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Good arguments to use Gentoo Linux? Hi, - snip - - needed customization can be done the easiest - admin skills are available -hwh This is where I think Gentoo does come out on top. Are all your machines similar? If so, do a custom install on one, set it up how you like it, it's compiled from source for that specific machine and purpose. Then clone it across the other machines. Gentoo's way of things just makes perfect sense - your OS is pretty much unique to you and it's easy to fine tune it to how you want it. It's updated regularly and if you lack a particular package you are free to make an ebuild for it yourself, maintain overlays for obscure software your company might use etc etc. You can have an NFS share for syncing/updates which means you dont have to download updates for each computer, only once (saves bandwidth = saves money) and all PCs are hence running the same versions of software. That, and of course the wiki. Gentoo might look daunting but people are right - this (meta-)distro has generated some fantastic documentation, and the install guide is (to me, granted I'm not an newb to gentoo) crystal clear. David I find it hard to use any other distro now Nelson -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Good arguments to use Gentoo Linux?
On Friday 19 January 2007 12:05, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: Those are not important in any case where the budget dictates matters (i.e. everywhere). Those aren't even good things to bring into play against RH and FBSD, because those do that fine, too. IMHO the only really compelling reason for ever using Gentoo is that at almost all times you get exactly what you want, as opposed to what Red Hat/Debian/et al wants you to have. Red Hat works well if you fall into that category of customer/company that is OK with using a stock standard middle-of-the road distro - this is easily 95%+ of the market. But, if you need something different, you will find that modifying RHEL is a major PITA compared to doing the same thing on Gentoo. For example, I work for a database company and we are a Red Hat partner. I simply will not support our products if they run on anything other than RHEL or SLES, because I don't want the hassle. But all my personal machines and my company notebook run Gentoo, because part of my job is keeping up with new stuff and only Gentoo gets out of the way and lets me do this without restricting me. So I suppose saf's real question ought to be something like what do we really need that is hard to provide using other (mostly) binary distros? alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Good arguments to use Gentoo Linux?
I concur, gentoo IMO provides more to the OSS with the ability to compile the whole system wit h debug options, yet with a splitdebug feature to prevent the usefulness of full stack traces all the way to glibc degrading run time performance :) Also, documentation in gentoo and amongst her users are unparalleled. Often when you just google for a generic problem somebody is having with an app or with their distro in linux in general, more often than not the solution or howto will be found in gentoo-wiki.com or the gentoo forums. Debian users are too elitist, most of them will just tell you to RTFM. Gentoo's IRC help room is devoid of such sectarian elitisim. :) Power to the people, freedom for the user. - Kent Also, on top of that, USE flags. debian + app which does graphical stuff but not necessarily uses an actual X still requires you to pull in all the X libraries. no way around it. -- Kent -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Good arguments to use Gentoo Linux?
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:37:27 +0300, qfpvajdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to convince my boss and my collegues to use Gentoo GNU/Linux at the company office for the desktop system (and maybe one day also for servers). Currently everybody uses its own Linux/Unix system, but soon we could be forced to uses for everybody only one system. Any anticipated forced action indicates that there is a problem. Identify the problem and show how Gentoo helps to solve it. Since you do not write about the problem, you should not expect much from the answers, all being based on some guess and/or assumption. For example, since Gentoo is a meta distribution, it may allow everybody to continue to use Linux their own way and still keep the management happy thinking that all are using the same thing. I must probably convince the people to use Gentoo Linux against RedHat Scientific Linux and FreeBSD. If the choice is between Red Hat Scientific and FreeBSD, you (as an organization) clearly do not know what you need. Thus, Gentoo may be the least risky option since if you ever find out that you need a BSD or even a Solaris kernel, then you can switch to it easier from Gentoo than from Red Hat. Does somebody has some good key arguments? The mines are: - newests packages with newests security updates, encryption support and full integreated KDE desktop to be used in office without problems - high performance desktop These arguments proof that Gentoo may be used, not that is should be used. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Good arguments to use Gentoo Linux?
Currently everybody uses its own Linux/Unix system, but soon we could be forced to uses for everybody only one system. Sounds like a cool organization. :) As far as considering FreeBSD, it's a great OS; however, I'd describe it as more as an alternative to using Linux. This is certainly evident in their philosophy. I'd narrow it to Linux / FreeBSD, and if you went Linux, I'd go with Gentoo. Please see: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/linux-comparison/ As far as Redhat or Gentoo are concerned, they are both great distros; however, I can't think of an advantage that Redhat has over Gentoo. In a company where the users are Linux savvy, I'd go with Gentoo for flexibility and configurability. I'm not sure how RH is handling dependency hell these days, but I can say that the team that deals with software that is available to Portage, does an unbelievable job of providing Portage with what it will need to make software maintenance trivial. At this point, I'm not sure if RH has a LiveCd. I see that FC released on a little over 1 mo ago, but I've not tried it. The Gentoo LiveCd is a stable solution that you can boot up, try out, and if you like, install. The packages that are available for Gentoo, while they may not necessarily be the, bleeding edge, while the animal is still twitching on the ground version will be a stable version. I'd get into the strengths / merits of Portage, but I think using it is worthwhile to see Portage at work, but I will say that Portage is a complete package management solution, and for the developer, one can appreciate really the versioning that one can do using Portage. Later, Shawn On 1/19/07, Andrey Gerasimenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:37:27 +0300, qfpvajdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to convince my boss and my collegues to use Gentoo GNU/Linux at the company office for the desktop system (and maybe one day also for servers). Currently everybody uses its own Linux/Unix system, but soon we could be forced to uses for everybody only one system. Any anticipated forced action indicates that there is a problem. Identify the problem and show how Gentoo helps to solve it. Since you do not write about the problem, you should not expect much from the answers, all being based on some guess and/or assumption. For example, since Gentoo is a meta distribution, it may allow everybody to continue to use Linux their own way and still keep the management happy thinking that all are using the same thing. I must probably convince the people to use Gentoo Linux against RedHat Scientific Linux and FreeBSD. If the choice is between Red Hat Scientific and FreeBSD, you (as an organization) clearly do not know what you need. Thus, Gentoo may be the least risky option since if you ever find out that you need a BSD or even a Solaris kernel, then you can switch to it easier from Gentoo than from Red Hat. Does somebody has some good key arguments? The mines are: - newests packages with newests security updates, encryption support and full integreated KDE desktop to be used in office without problems - high performance desktop These arguments proof that Gentoo may be used, not that is should be used. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Most problems go away if you just wait long enough. It might look like I'm standing motionless but I'm actively waiting for our problems to go away. I don't know why this works but it does. Scott Adams, Dilbert comic
