[geo] a mention of geo-engineering focus in story on next steps for IPCC

[Andrew Revkin]

http://bit.ly/nytIPCC
related Dot Earth post: http://bit.ly/dotIPCC
some interesting comments already in..
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[geo] Re: The Storm

[dsw_s]

The warehouses are also for superheroes to fight supervillains in.

"Abandoned warehouse?  You might as well ask for the Moon."
http://evil-comic.com/archive/20060419.html

On Aug 2, 8:17 pm, "Alvia Gaskill"  wrote:
> This movie turned out to be a two parter, the second one tonight at 9pm on 
> NBC.  Suffice to say the first one is two hours of my life I'm never going to 
> get back and if you watched it on my recommendation, we both lost.  
> Nevertheless, due to its relevance to geoengineering governance issues, I am 
> prepared to sacrifice another 120 mins and finish the job.  I'll have a wrap 
> up on it and the History Channel program on Weather Warfare that aired 
> recently, since they basically traverse the same animal waste covered ground.
>
> I even took notes during the movie to bring you up to date.  The things I do 
> for science!
>
> The Storm, made for $5 million or about 2 episodes of Discovery Project Earth 
> which continues to air repeatedly on both the Science and Planet Green 
> Channels along with Dan Kammen's Ecopolis, only slightly less frequently than 
> Martin Bashir's interview with Michael Jackson on MSNBC, combines the 
> ridiculous HAARP conspiracy theory with the past history or distorted history 
> of weather manipulation by the military.
>
> Operation Rainbow is a secret project funded by the Pentagon in which a 
> private company run by Mr. Tyrrell has developed some sort of energy beam 
> that is used to alter weather on a local basis.  The military brass want to 
> use it as a tactical weapon, similar to the goals of the Owning the Weather 
> concept paper the U.S. government considered for a while several years ago.   
> Ground based satellite like dishes send pulses of energy (what kind?) into 
> the ionosphere where they are bounced off satellites and sent back to the 
> surface.  This is somehow supposed to change the weather, but is never 
> explained (because it can't!).
>
> In the initial test of the technology, the weather makers, two male geeks and 
> an obnoxious woman cause it to rain in the Sudan, much to the delight of the 
> starving refugees in Darfur, but the side effect is snow in the Mojave 
> Desert.  They then attempt to redirect the intensity and track of hurricane 
> Edna (an all purpose technology it seems).
>
> But the hurricane test goes badly and the energy from the angry ionosphere 
> leaks back to the surface, zapping the control center, killing some of the 
> staff.  The hurricane actually strengthens and heads towards Miami.  It also 
> starts raining in Los Angeles and keeps on raining, reminiscent of Blade 
> Runner.  The creator of the out of control androids in that film was also 
> named Tyrrell.
>
> The Cable News Service, CNS whose logo looks suspiciously like that of CNN, 
> learns of the incident and begins an investigation.  They initially get 
> nowhere with the staff, who are completely subservient to their evil 
> corporate master, Mr. Tyrrell, played woodenly by Treat Williams.  One of the 
> weather maker geeks finally has an epiphany over the unintended consequences 
> of the technology and quits, but his associate stays on and attempts to 
> change the track of Edna.
>
> Meanwhile, the geek who quit (hereafter, the Geek) spills the beans to a CNS 
> reporter, but her apartment has been bugged by Tyrrell and a hit team he 
> sends kill the reporter and her boss and try to frame the Geek, who goes on 
> the run, but is captured by the police.  The Pentagon, at the request of 
> Tyrrell orders him to be turned over to the FBI, against the wishes of a 
> female detective who has been investigating the deaths at the control center.
>
> The effort to move the storm is unsuccessful and the attempt has created even 
> more changes in weather around the globe with wild temperature swings of over 
> 100 degrees in the U.S. and elsewhere. The explanation?  Residual energy 
> fields.
>
> In spite of all the destruction associated with the weather altering 
> technology, the Pentagon is still interested in using it.  They want a 
> demonstration in Afghanistan.  The General in charge, played ceramically 
> (that's worse than wooden)by JAG's David James Elliott says the Joint Chiefs 
> need more proof before they will fully fund Operation Rainbow.  Both Tyrrell 
> and the General dismiss the weather problems as unrelated to the technology.
>
> The energy beam is then used to create a dust storm outside of Kabul, to foil 
> the evil Taliban who are shown driving around in their standard issue worn 
> out Toyota pickup trucks (no cash for clunkers in SW Asia, apparently).
>
> A hurricane now forms off the coast of Peru as the perplexed head of the 
> National Weather Bureau ponders what is causing all of the wacky weather.  He 
> also takes off from work during the crisis to try to reconnect with his ex- 
> girlfriend, who is also a bartender.  
>
> Before the Geek can be handed over to the FBI, military intelligence machine 
> guns all o

[geo] Re: Method of hurricane weakening

[dsw_s]

This mostly sounds compatible with my opinions on the subject.
However, I have in mind that tropical storms close together tend to
merge into one larger cyclone.

I don't know whether any aspects of the proposal are new or not.

On Aug 3, 2:56 pm, Koldun  wrote:
> Method of hurricane weakening
>
> To fight against hurricanes it is suggested to initiate their
> premature beginning before they will collect the supply of shattering
> energy, and if succeeded, to initiate a few smaller cyclones which ,in
> principle ,will not attain a critical level. As a result, cyclones
> will go out ashore more frequent, but none of them will bring
> catastrophic destruction's, because any structure is easier to carry
> though the hundred of gusts of wind by speed 100 mph, what one gust in
> 200 mph.
>
> For this purpose it is suggested in an ocean to organize floating
> islands from the snatches of black fibre , for example from the
> painted or charred cellulose. At that rate, fig.1,  a sun radiation
> will cause greater evaporation of aquatic steam, that will result in
> creating in the aquatorium of ocean  hearths of whirlwind creations,
> which will become the centers of future cyclones.
>
> For effective work, these islands on linear sizes must be comparable
> with distance to the lower edge of clouds, that to have an area in a
> few square miles. At the same time, they will not interfere with a
> navigation and will not have negative influence on ecology, because
> only locally will interfere in temperature distributing on a depth.
> The conditional graphs of dependence of temperature on a depth are
> shown below in default of, fig.2, and presence, fig.3, islands from a
> floating fibre. Obviously, that for a those few days, while a floating
> black fibre will be the center of whirlwind creation it will not
> inflict noticeable harm of ecology no appearance, and in course of
> time will simply be consumed by an ocean.
>
> In the areas of the increased evaporation  ascending air, to saturated
> aquatic pair, it is simpler it will be to break through an inversion
> layer and due to a selection the hidden energy of aquatic steam to
> form a valuable whirlwind which will begin to tighten on itself
> ascending streams from a surrounding aquatorium and and by it to
> strengthen yet more of itself. And if in case with a clean aquatorium
> process of accumulation of energy at lasts formations of main
> whirlwind long and a powerful hurricane appears as a result, fig.4, in
> case with the artificial center of whirlwind creation, the process of
> accumulation of energy will attain the critical level of Ec before,
> fig.5, yet till there energy will be saved from all aquatorium, and as
> a result on dry land a weak cyclone will move relatively.
>
> Especially successful this method will be in case if succeed on the
> aquatorium S, where one hurricane whirlwind is usually formed, fig.6,
> to excite several weak cyclones, fig.7.
>
> Then the structures of watersides will test a few weak stormy winds
> only, in place of one destructive hurricane.
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/victorkoldun/Home/proekty/hurricane
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[geo] Method of hurricane weakening

[Koldun]

Method of hurricane weakening

To fight against hurricanes it is suggested to initiate their
premature beginning before they will collect the supply of shattering
energy, and if succeeded, to initiate a few smaller cyclones which ,in
principle ,will not attain a critical level. As a result, cyclones
will go out ashore more frequent, but none of them will bring
catastrophic destruction's, because any structure is easier to carry
though the hundred of gusts of wind by speed 100 mph, what one gust in
200 mph.

For this purpose it is suggested in an ocean to organize floating
islands from the snatches of black fibre , for example from the
painted or charred cellulose. At that rate, fig.1,  a sun radiation
will cause greater evaporation of aquatic steam, that will result in
creating in the aquatorium of ocean  hearths of whirlwind creations,
which will become the centers of future cyclones.


For effective work, these islands on linear sizes must be comparable
with distance to the lower edge of clouds, that to have an area in a
few square miles. At the same time, they will not interfere with a
navigation and will not have negative influence on ecology, because
only locally will interfere in temperature distributing on a depth.
The conditional graphs of dependence of temperature on a depth are
shown below in default of, fig.2, and presence, fig.3, islands from a
floating fibre. Obviously, that for a those few days, while a floating
black fibre will be the center of whirlwind creation it will not
inflict noticeable harm of ecology no appearance, and in course of
time will simply be consumed by an ocean.


In the areas of the increased evaporation  ascending air, to saturated
aquatic pair, it is simpler it will be to break through an inversion
layer and due to a selection the hidden energy of aquatic steam to
form a valuable whirlwind which will begin to tighten on itself
ascending streams from a surrounding aquatorium and and by it to
strengthen yet more of itself. And if in case with a clean aquatorium
process of accumulation of energy at lasts formations of main
whirlwind long and a powerful hurricane appears as a result, fig.4, in
case with the artificial center of whirlwind creation, the process of
accumulation of energy will attain the critical level of Ec before,
fig.5, yet till there energy will be saved from all aquatorium, and as
a result on dry land a weak cyclone will move relatively.



Especially successful this method will be in case if succeed on the
aquatorium S, where one hurricane whirlwind is usually formed, fig.6,
to excite several weak cyclones, fig.7.


Then the structures of watersides will test a few weak stormy winds
only, in place of one destructive hurricane.

http://sites.google.com/site/victorkoldun/Home/proekty/hurricane

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[geo] Stop Using "Vladimir Cousteau"

[Veli Albert Kallio]

Hi, 

 

I understand that we all have enemies Finns have Swedish, British have French, 
Arabs have Israel, Americans have Russians...

 

But Vladimir Putin and Jacques Yves Cousteau are respected at least by their 
own people. Also, more so as I am doing film project with Philippe Cousteau and 
President Dmitry Medjejev is my Facebook friend, the advisor of Russian 
President backing our query on ice age ending.

 

So, may be better us to tone down.

 

Kr, Albert

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[geo] Re: Is this what an energy revolution looks like?

[Alvia Gaskill]

I've had a great deal of experience with reviewing EPA STAR (Science to 
Achieve Results) Grant and SBIR proposals, so I offer here my explanation 
for the 98% reject rate.  The funding rate for these is usually about 15%, 
but within individual categories that means that of 8 proposals submitted, 
only 1 will be funded in that category, similar to those for university 
research grants.  So the competition is usually category specific.

The tendency for both DOE and EPA is to fund proposals that appear to have 
commercial viability.  This pretty much limits the landscape to existing 
companies that have a proven track record for success in either producing 
commercially viable products or processes or in winning funding.  Both are 
usually considered by the "400" as they are part of the evaluation criteria 
and especially by the government, which makes the final decisions on awards. 
Thus, high risk ideas are often sent hurtling down the reject chute.

In this particular procurement, "awards of $500,000 to $10 million" are to 
be made. "The ARPA-E awards are specifically targeted at development-stage 
companies, and are intended to help these companies cross the proverbial 
"valley of death" between identifying a promising technology and developing 
it to the point where key risks are abated and commercial adoption is 
possible."

The quoted text is from one of your links.  I haven't read the procurement 
details, but the language certainly sounds like the intent was to fund 
existing work and not startups or concept companies of which there is never 
any shortage.

I would also bet that of the 3500 proposals, less than a third made any 
sense whatsoever.  Thus, the reject letter was probably more kind than 
accurate.  Many proposals fall into several readily identifiable categories. 
The non responsive proposal.  The idea that has no chance proposal, e.g. 
cold fusion.  The started off OK, but couldn't explain how they would 
actually do it proposal.  The we have already exhausted all of the funding 
from other government agencies and will now try to extract some from this 
one proposal (a very common approach).  The one man company with no 
resources except a checking account proposal.

Once these are disposed of, it does get a little tricky in trying to pick 
winners and I have some sympathy for all parties involved.  I would note in 
regard to the recommendation to apply for SBIR grants that the SBIR program 
has similar criteria with a phased tier of funding, so some of the proposals 
that failed to win the ARPA "powerball" might make it with the SBIR "scratch 
off" lottery.  But I wouldn't bet on it.


- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Revkin" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: [geo] Is this what an energy revolution looks like?


>
> Here's an ARPA-E rejection letter.  98% of those pursuing energy
> breakthroughs rejected by DOE: http://bit.ly/EnergyRejection in first
> round...
> -- 
> Andrew C. Revkin
> The New York Times / Environment
> 620 Eighth Ave., NY, NY 10018
> Tel: 212-556-7326 Mob: 914-441-5556
> Fax:  509-357-0965
> http://www.nytimes.com/revkin
>
> > 


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[geo] Re: Ceiling the Deal

[Alvia Gaskill]

So WalMart/Sam's Club could combine their garden centers with their energy 
saving programs.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Andrew Lockley 
  To: Alvia Gaskill 
  Cc: geoengineering@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [geo] Ceiling the Deal


  An alternative is the turf roof http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turf_roof, which 
uses evapotranspiration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evapotranspiration for 
cooling.  There is also a benefit from thermal mass 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_mass


  These are quite heavily promoted in Europe.  I understand that they are used 
in Germany and occasionally in the UK.  I think that they are more suitable 
than white roofing in temperate regions.


  A


  2009/8/2 Alvia Gaskill 

Regarding the solar gain issue, in the northern states, the impact of solar 
heating during the winter is less due to a combination of sun angle and cloud 
cover.   In the most extreme example for the U.S., the Fairbanks, Alaska metro 
area (APX pop. 100,000) would not benefit at all from white or lighter covered 
roofs or suffer any loss in heating from having them even though all the 
heating and AC is supplied via fossil energy.  I'm not sure if there is any AC 
in Fairbanks, although temperatures do approach 90 degrees F in July sometimes. 
 Residents of Seattle and parts of Oregon also saw temperatures over 100 
degrees F this past week, but this is very unusual and you are correct, few 
homes in that part of the U.S. have AC.  They just don't need it very often.  I 
think the same analysis applies to Britain, especially with the large number of 
cloudy days.  

The article also makes an implied distinction between cities like NYC and 
Chicago and rural areas or cities like Minneapolis that get extremely cold in 
the winter, such cities although far enough north to require some additional 
heating during the winter if white roofs are used, are heat islands during the 
summer, less so this year due to the wayward path of the Polar Jet Stream.  So 
applications of the white roof for commercial buildings strategy have to take 
into account a number of variables.

Note also that the CO2 offsets were done on a state-by-state basis, so 
states like Washington and Oregon, which get much of their electricity from 
hydroelectric power would benefit less than states like New York and 
Pennsylvania which are more dependent on coal and natural gas.  It would be 
interesting to see the same figure done including residential roofs and paved 
surfaces.

I happened to go by the Sam's Club I mentioned in the article comments last 
Friday and noticed that the roof is now a gray color, somewhat worse than in 
March.  Since most commercial building roofs are flat, the only way they can 
maintain their original white color or something close to it is to have them 
cleaned periodically.  Residential roofs also lose some of the original 
lightness (not whiteness, since they are generally not white as the article 
notes), but do benefit from the rain and wind washing or blowing away dirt.  I 
would like to see how many of the 3000 Sam's Club's roofs are really still 
white.  If not, then their white roof program is a public relations success, 
but a global warming failure and the people in charge of calculating the energy 
savings need to "roll back" the numbers.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Andrew Lockley 
  To: agask...@nc.rr.com 
  Cc: geoengineering@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [geo] Ceiling the Deal


  I'm confused.  The diagram includes chilly Northern states.  Don't they 
need all the solar gain they can get to cut winter heating bills?  I can't 
imagine lots of people in Seattle having aircon.  In Britain hardly any homes 
have it, and most commercial buildings don't either. 


  A


  2009/7/30 Alvia Gaskill 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/science/earth/30degrees.html?_r=1


 
J. Emilio Flores for The New York Times
A Wal-Mart store in Chino, Calif., has both a cool roof and solar 
panels to cut its energy use. 

 

Jim Wilson/The New York Times
A white roof has helped cool Jon Waldrep’s Sacramento home





By Degrees
A Cool Shield 
This is one in a series of articles about stopgap measures that could 
limit global warming.


July 30, 2009
By Degrees
White Roofs Catch On as Energy Cost Cutters 
By FELICITY BARRINGER
SAN FRANCISCO — Returning to their ranch-style house in Sacramento 
after a long summer workday, Jon and Kim Waldrep were routinely met by a wall 
of heat.

“We’d come home in the summer, and the house would be 115 degrees, 
stifling,” said Mr. Waldrep, a regional manager for a national company. 

He or his wife would race to the thermostat and turn on the 
air-conditioning as their four small c

[geo] Is this what an energy revolution looks like?

[Andrew Revkin]

Here's an ARPA-E rejection letter.  98% of those pursuing energy 
breakthroughs rejected by DOE: http://bit.ly/EnergyRejection in first 
round...
-- 
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The New York Times / Environment
620 Eighth Ave., NY, NY 10018
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Fax:  509-357-0965
http://www.nytimes.com/revkin

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[geo] Re: Ceiling the Deal

[Andrew Lockley]

An alternative is the turf roof http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turf_roof,
which uses evapotranspiration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evapotranspiration for cooling.  There is also
a benefit from thermal mass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_mass
These are quite heavily promoted
in Europe.  I understand that they are used in Germany and occasionally in
the UK.  I think that they are more suitable than white roofing in temperate
regions.

A

2009/8/2 Alvia Gaskill 

>  Regarding the solar gain issue, in the northern states, the impact of
> solar heating during the winter is less due to a combination of sun angle
> and cloud cover.   In the most extreme example for the U.S., the Fairbanks,
> Alaska metro area (APX pop. 100,000) would not benefit at all from white or
> lighter covered roofs or suffer any loss in heating from having them even
> though all the heating and AC is supplied via fossil energy.  I'm not sure
> if there is any AC in Fairbanks, although temperatures do approach 90
> degrees F in July sometimes.  Residents of Seattle and parts of Oregon also
> saw temperatures over 100 degrees F this past week, but this is very unusual
> and you are correct, few homes in that part of the U.S. have AC.  They just
> don't need it very often.  I think the same analysis applies to Britain,
> especially with the large number of cloudy days.
>
> The article also makes an implied distinction between cities like NYC and
> Chicago and rural areas or cities like Minneapolis that get extremely cold
> in the winter, such cities although far enough north to require some
> additional heating during the winter if white roofs are used, are heat
> islands during the summer, less so this year due to the wayward path of the
> Polar Jet Stream.  So applications of the white roof for commercial
> buildings strategy have to take into account a number of variables.
>
> Note also that the CO2 offsets were done on a state-by-state basis, so
> states like Washington and Oregon, which get much of their electricity from
> hydroelectric power would benefit less than states like New York and
> Pennsylvania which are more dependent on coal and natural gas.  It would be
> interesting to see the same figure done including residential roofs and
> paved surfaces.
>
> I happened to go by the Sam's Club I mentioned in the article comments last
> Friday and noticed that the roof is now a gray color, somewhat worse than in
> March.  Since most commercial building roofs are flat, the only way they can
> maintain their original white color or something close to it is to have them
> cleaned periodically.  Residential roofs also lose some of the original
> lightness (not whiteness, since they are generally not white as the article
> notes), but do benefit from the rain and wind washing or blowing away dirt.
> I would like to see how many of the 3000 Sam's Club's roofs are really still
> white.  If not, then their white roof program is a public relations success,
> but a global warming failure and the people in charge of calculating the
> energy savings need to "roll back" the numbers.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Andrew Lockley 
> *To:* agask...@nc.rr.com
> *Cc:* geoengineering@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:09 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [geo] Ceiling the Deal
>
> I'm confused.  The diagram includes chilly Northern states.  Don't they
> need all the solar gain they can get to cut winter heating bills?  I can't
> imagine lots of people in Seattle having aircon.  In Britain hardly any
> homes have it, and most commercial buildings don't either.
> A
>
> 2009/7/30 Alvia Gaskill 
>
>>  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/science/earth/30degrees.html?_r=1
>>
>>
>>  J. Emilio Flores for The New York Times
>>
>> A Wal-Mart store in Chino, Calif., has both a cool roof and solar panels
>> to cut its energy use.
>>
>>  Jim Wilson/The New York Times
>>
>> A white roof has helped cool Jon Waldrep’s Sacramento home
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Imagining a Cool-Roof Nation]
>>  By Degrees*A Cool Shield*
>>
>> This is one in a series of articles about stopgap measures that could
>> limit global warming.
>>
>>  July 30, 2009
>> By Degrees
>> White Roofs Catch On as Energy Cost Cutters By FELICITY 
>> BARRINGER
>>
>> SAN FRANCISCO — Returning to their ranch-style house in Sacramento after a
>> long summer workday, Jon and Kim Waldrep were routinely met by a wall of
>> heat.
>>
>> “We’d come home in the summer, and the house would be 115 degrees,
>> stifling,” said Mr. Waldrep, a regional manager for a national company.
>>
>> He or his wife would race to the thermostat and turn on the
>> air-conditioning as their four small children, just picked up from day care,
>> awaited relief.
>>
>> All that changed last month. “Now we come home on days when it’s over 100
>> degrees outside, and the house i