Re: [geo] Al Gore: climate engineering research reckless and wack-a-doodle

[Michael MacCracken]

I'd just note that in the few times that I served as the scientific 
expert at Al Gore's leadership training sessions, I got into discussions 
with him on SRM as questions came up from the audience, seeking to get 
him to better understand why SRM was being discussed and research is 
needed. I think Andy put the situation very well. Right now AG is really 
taken by how fast technology is improving and all the options this will 
provide and I think does not want to undermine that--but I do think 
those who feel that technology can accomplish the cutbacks needed to do 
so will generally  over time come to understand the challenge of 
replacing 80% of the global energy system, and so the need for at least 
some SRM. I also think there has generally been too little work (well, 
at least publication about work) on peak shaving SRM (so maybe 
offsetting 30-50% CO2 doubling with a phasing out with long-term CDR) as 
opposed to (a)  fully offsetting 2X or even 4X CO2 all by itself (which 
few, if any, advocate as the approach), and (b) comparisons of the 
resulting situation to changes from the preindustrial baseline (and not 
expressing the differences relative to the ranges of natural 
variability) rather than comparing the results with SRM applied to what 
would the situation would be without such SRM.


Mike MacCracken


On 6/29/20 2:10 PM, Andrew Revkin wrote:
Yes, keep in mind it took Al Gore nearly 20 years to accept that 
climate /adaptation/ was not a "form of laziness" (as he wrote in 
1992) and has to be pursued as vigorously as CO2 mitigation.

Wrote on this in Nat Geo: http://j.mp/adaptationrises

Not surprised it will take longer for him to be more nuanced on SRM - 
at least on examining it carefully.



On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:03 PM E Durbrow > wrote:


So there is a TED interview with Al Gore. His response (rant?) on
climate engineering (he seems to mean SRM but also marine climate
interventions) begins at minute 27. But do keep listening to the
interview for the next 10min. The interview, Chris Anderson,
pushes back and tries to see if Gore has a more nuanced view on
climate engineering. He doesn’t. Note: he doesn't approve of even
research.


https://www.ted.com/talks/al_gore_the_case_for_optimism_on_climate_change/transcript

Me: The interviewer seems to me more rational about climate
intervention than his interviewee. He calls for an adult
conversation after Gore's rant.
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Re: [geo] Al Gore: climate engineering research reckless and wack-a-doodle

[Andrew Revkin]

Yes, keep in mind it took Al Gore nearly 20 years to accept that climate
*adaptation* was not a "form of laziness" (as he wrote in 1992) and has to
be pursued as vigorously as CO2 mitigation.
Wrote on this in Nat Geo: http://j.mp/adaptationrises

Not surprised it will take longer for him to be more nuanced on SRM - at
least on examining it carefully.


On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:03 PM E Durbrow  wrote:

> So there is a TED interview with Al Gore. His response (rant?) on climate
> engineering (he seems to mean SRM but also marine climate interventions)
> begins at minute 27. But do keep listening to the interview for the next
> 10min. The interview, Chris Anderson, pushes back and tries to see if Gore
> has a more nuanced view on climate engineering. He doesn’t. Note: he
> doesn't approve of even research.
>
>
> https://www.ted.com/talks/al_gore_the_case_for_optimism_on_climate_change/transcript
>
> Me: The interviewer seems to me more rational about climate intervention
> than his interviewee. He calls for an adult conversation after Gore's rant.
>
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Re: [geo] New energy and climate newsletter from South Asia

[lou del bello]

Dear Stephen and Arunabha,

Thanks for your thoughtful answers and for the suggestions on topics to
investigate. I saw the column on Nikkei this morning and I read it with
interest, I mentioned the climate change report in a previous issue of the
newsletter, here
, but I would
definitely like to look into the policy implications of these findings.
Maybe a conversation for another time, but I hope we'll stay in touch.

Please feel free to pass on any new research or news item with a regional
interest, I am always on the lookout for stories.

All the best,


Lou

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 18:21, Arunabha Ghosh  wrote:

> Dear Lou (and colleagues)
>
> Thanks for sharing your newsletter.
>
> On Saturday, *Nikkei Asian Review* published my latest column, *"India
> needs a plan for extreme weather caused by climate change"*
> .
> According to CEEW's analysis, India has already experienced 478 extreme
> weather events since 1972, most occurring after 2005. The frequency of
> cyclones is rising, jumping from 33 in the 1980s to 58 in the 2010s. As the
> government's first climate change assessment (published on 19 June) shows,
> a changing climate will hit India worse than the world on average. My
> column covers how India can build resilience against climate shocks.
>
> You might be also interested in our recent report (the first from a
> think-tank in India on an economy-wide sustainable recovery pathway), which
> was released by a senior Cabinet minister on 11 June, got 25000 views on
> launch, and front-page coverage in several newspapers: *Jobs, Growth and
> Sustainability: A New Social Contract for India’s Recovery
> *. One
> of the two pillars of the proposed social contract is a focus on tail-end
> risks.
>
> Last week, I also recorded a podcast for *Mint's Climate Change Tracker*,
> for which I spoke on India's energy future, mapping risks, and the design
> of international cooperation against chronic risks:
> https://www.htsmartcast.com/episodes-listing/science/mint-climate-change-tracker-5005017/.
> I cover the same in more detail in this Stimson Center brief, published for
> the 75th anniversary of the United Nations: *Multilateralism for Chronic
> Risks *.
>
> Very best
>
> Arunabha
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>
> *Council on Energy, Environment and Water (CEEW)*
> Sanskrit Bhawan, A-10, Qutab Institutional Area
> Aruna Asaf Ali Marg, New Delhi - 110067
> , India
>
> +91 95608 76555
>
> |
>
> +91 11 40733300
>
> |
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> | @CEEWIndia 
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> columns
>  |
> Ted Talk 
>
> *Books/ Recent Research:*
> Jobs, Growth and Sustainability: A New Social Contract for India's Recover
> y (CEEW)
> Energizing India: Towards a Resilient and Equitable Energy System
>  (SAGE;
> Amazon.com
> 
> , Amazon.in
> 
> )
> The Palgrave Handbook of the International Political Economy  of Energy
>  (Palgrave;
> Amazon.com
> 
> , Amazon.in
> 
> )
> Human Development and Global Institutions: Evolution, impact, reform
> 
>  (Routledge; Amazon.com
> 
> , Amazon.in
> 
> )
> Climate Change: A Risk Assessment
>  (FCO)
>
>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 16:30, Stephen Salter  wrote:
>
>> Lou
>>
>> The image of cyclone Amphan is scary. I 

[geo] Al Gore: climate engineering research reckless and wack-a-doodle

[E Durbrow]

So there is a TED interview with Al Gore. His response (rant?) on climate 
engineering (he seems to mean SRM but also marine climate interventions) 
begins at minute 27. But do keep listening to the interview for the next 
10min. The interview, Chris Anderson, pushes back and tries to see if Gore 
has a more nuanced view on climate engineering. He doesn’t. Note: he 
doesn't approve of even research.

https://www.ted.com/talks/al_gore_the_case_for_optimism_on_climate_change/transcript

Me: The interviewer seems to me more rational about climate intervention 
than his interviewee. He calls for an adult conversation after Gore's rant. 

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Re: [geo] New energy and climate newsletter from South Asia

[Arunabha Ghosh]

Dear Lou (and colleagues)

Thanks for sharing your newsletter.

On Saturday, *Nikkei Asian Review* published my latest column, *"India
needs a plan for extreme weather caused by climate change"*
.
According to CEEW's analysis, India has already experienced 478 extreme
weather events since 1972, most occurring after 2005. The frequency of
cyclones is rising, jumping from 33 in the 1980s to 58 in the 2010s. As the
government's first climate change assessment (published on 19 June) shows,
a changing climate will hit India worse than the world on average. My
column covers how India can build resilience against climate shocks.

You might be also interested in our recent report (the first from a
think-tank in India on an economy-wide sustainable recovery pathway), which
was released by a senior Cabinet minister on 11 June, got 25000 views on
launch, and front-page coverage in several newspapers: *Jobs, Growth and
Sustainability: A New Social Contract for India’s Recovery
*. One of
the two pillars of the proposed social contract is a focus on tail-end
risks.

Last week, I also recorded a podcast for *Mint's Climate Change Tracker*,
for which I spoke on India's energy future, mapping risks, and the design
of international cooperation against chronic risks:
https://www.htsmartcast.com/episodes-listing/science/mint-climate-change-tracker-5005017/.
I cover the same in more detail in this Stimson Center brief, published for
the 75th anniversary of the United Nations: *Multilateralism for Chronic
Risks *.

Very best

Arunabha
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*Council on Energy, Environment and Water (CEEW)*
Sanskrit Bhawan, A-10, Qutab Institutional Area
Aruna Asaf Ali Marg, New Delhi - 110067
, India

+91 95608 76555

|

+91 11 40733300

|
 ceew.in
| @CEEWIndia 
@GhoshArunabha  | Inflexion Points
columns
 |
Ted Talk 

*Books/ Recent Research:*
Jobs, Growth and Sustainability: A New Social Contract for India's Recover
y (CEEW)
Energizing India: Towards a Resilient and Equitable Energy System
 (SAGE;
Amazon.com

, Amazon.in

)
The Palgrave Handbook of the International Political Economy  of Energy
 (Palgrave;
Amazon.com

, Amazon.in

)
Human Development and Global Institutions: Evolution, impact, reform

 (Routledge; Amazon.com

, Amazon.in

)
Climate Change: A Risk Assessment
 (FCO)


On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 16:30, Stephen Salter  wrote:

> Lou
>
> The image of cyclone Amphan is scary. I dread what is happening to people
> in Bangladesh. There may be worse in future.
>
> Following the previous email I sent you I attach some updated calculations
> on marine cloud brightening for hurricane moderation.   The result depends
> on assumptions for initial nuclei concentration, cloud water content,
> boundary layer depth and subsequent nuclei life.  I have taken what I think
> are reasonable number numbers off the web. I can easily change to any other
> you might suggest. I cannot get opinions or even replies from hurricane
> experts.
>
> Temperature differences across oceans are just as important as absolute
> values. The East West difference across the Indian Ocean drives the balance
> of rainfall between Kenya and Australia.  The Australians are doing
> experiments to save their Barrier Reef but have also bad results from 

[geo] Newsletter of Week 27 of 2020

[i...@climate-engineering.eu]

Title: Climate Engineering Newsletter




  


 







 



Climate Engineering Newsletter
for Week 27 of 2020



 





07.07.2020, Event: Bio Energy with Carbon Capture & Storage (BECCS), online
08.07.2020, CCIS 2020 Webinar Series: Observations, Lab and Field Studies, online
06. 08.2020, CCIS 2020 Webinar Series: Impacts for Climate Intervention Strategies, online
21.-23. 10.2020, Workshop: Ecological Impacts of Solar Radiation Management, Port Jefferson, New York / USA
28.-30.10. 2020, Workshop: Community Climate Intervention Strategies, Boulder, CO / USA
02.-05.11.2020, Conference: 3rd Conference of the Arabian Journal of Geosciences (CAJG), Sousse / Tunisia
06.-13.12.2020, IEA Greenhouse Gas R Programme 2020 Summer School, Bandung / Indonesia
15.-18.03.2021, Conference: GHGT-15, Abu Dhabi / United Arab Emirates
18.-21.05.2021, Conference: 2nd International Conference on Negative CO2 Emissions, Gothenburg / Sweden
15.-16.07.2021, Conference: ICOFSRM 2021 on Ocean Fertilization and Solar Radiation Management, Bali, Indonesia
01.-12.11.2021, Conference: COP26, Glasgow / UK



(new) 10.07.2020, Call for Nominations: Committee Members on NASEM study: A Research Strategy for Ocean Carbon Dioxide Removal and Sequestration
21.07.2020, Call for Abstracts: Governing Carbon Dioxide Removal
22.07.2020, Call for Applications: ARPA-E: Funding Opportunity Announcements
04.08.2020, Call for Applications: PICS Opportunity Projects Program - 2020 Zero-Emission Vehicles Project
04.08.2020, Call for Applications: PICS Opportunity Projects Program - 2020 Competition
15.08.2020, Call for Abstracts: 3rd CAJG - Springer/SSG Conference on Geosciences
19.09.2020, Call for Submissions: Scenario Submission Portal for IPCC AR6 WGIII
10.11.2020, Call for Proposals: ACT3 Call



06.07.2020, Job: Postdoctoral Research Associate: Negative emissions solutions (Arizona State University)
(new) (no deadline), Job: Software engineer / Data scientist (CarbonPlan)
(no deadline), Job: Post-doctoral Researcher: Institute for Carbon Removal Law and Policy (American University)
(no deadline), Job: Climeworks: Various openings



Antonini, Cristina; et al. (2020): Hydrogen production from natural gas and biomethane with carbon capture and storage – A techno-environmental analysis
Sapinski, J. P.; et al. (2020): Has it come to this? The promises and perils of geoengineering on the brink
Hansson, Anders; et al. (2020): Biochar as multi-purpose sustainable technology: experiences from projects in Tanzania



National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (2020): Solar Geoengineering Research Governance: Proceedings of a Workshop—in Brief
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (2020): Developing a Research Agenda for Solar Geoengineering Strategies: Proceedings of a Workshop—in Brief
C2G: An important opportunity to engage with SAI research governance
Union of Concerned Scientists: Issue Brief: Strengthening Public Input on Solar Geoengineering Research
Rhodium Group (2020): Capturing New Jobs and New Business: Growth Opportunities from Direct Air Capture Scale-Up


(no new projects)


Video: IEAGHG: 25th June 2020 Reducing water usage in power plants with CCS
Deutscher Bundestag: Press release about CE research (German)
Lights On: A weekly newsletter tracking the climate, energy and business debate in India and beyond
Geomar: Mobilizing the ocean for climate protection
Phys.org: Planting non-native trees accelerates the release of carbon back into the atmosphere
Renew Economy: Zero emissions target by 2050 will require $30 carbon price, more for 2040
Pew Research Center: Two-Thirds of Americans Think Government Should Do More on Climate
IEA Press Release: IEA offers world governments a Sustainable Recovery Plan to boost economic growth, create millions of jobs and put emissions into structural decline
Current News: Bioenergy with carbon capture and storage pilot to launch at Drax Power Station
MIT Technology Review: How green sand could capture billions of tons of carbon dioxide




 



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[geo] New energy and climate newsletter from South Asia

[lou del bello]

Hi all,

Hope all is well in your respective corners of the world.

I wanted to introduce a newsletter that I started a few weeks ago, Lights On
, which covers climate change and energy
news from India (and a bit of China too). It comes out twice a week, with a
news roundup on Monday and a reported story on Thursday, often focused on
policy or science. There will be updates on geoengineering too, as they
happen in the region.

I embarked on this project because after two years living here I can't
ignore the lack of good energy and climate reporting from the region, most
correspondents here don't deal with this beat and when they do they
generally don't have the experience or the interest to put the story into
the right context.

If you'd like to subscribe you can do it here
, the newsletter is completely free
for now, though down the line I will also introduce a membership option. If
you like it, I would be extremely grateful if you could also share it with
your networks. And of course, any feedback on usability and content is very
welcome.


Cheers from Delhi,


Lou


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