Re: [geo] Al Gore: climate engineering research reckless and wack-a-doodle

2020-06-29 Thread Andrew Revkin 
Yes, keep in mind it took Al Gore nearly 20 years to accept that climate
*adaptation* was not a "form of laziness" (as he wrote in 1992) and has to
be pursued as vigorously as CO2 mitigation.
Wrote on this in Nat Geo: http://j.mp/adaptationrises

Not surprised it will take longer for him to be more nuanced on SRM - at
least on examining it carefully.


On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:03 PM E Durbrow  wrote:

> So there is a TED interview with Al Gore. His response (rant?) on climate
> engineering (he seems to mean SRM but also marine climate interventions)
> begins at minute 27. But do keep listening to the interview for the next
> 10min. The interview, Chris Anderson, pushes back and tries to see if Gore
> has a more nuanced view on climate engineering. He doesn’t. Note: he
> doesn't approve of even research.
>
>
> https://www.ted.com/talks/al_gore_the_case_for_optimism_on_climate_change/transcript
>
> Me: The interviewer seems to me more rational about climate intervention
> than his interviewee. He calls for an adult conversation after Gore's rant.
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Re: [geo] Al Gore: climate engineering research reckless and wack-a-doodle

2020-06-29 Thread Michael MacCracken 
I'd just note that in the few times that I served as the scientific 
expert at Al Gore's leadership training sessions, I got into discussions 
with him on SRM as questions came up from the audience, seeking to get 
him to better understand why SRM was being discussed and research is 
needed. I think Andy put the situation very well. Right now AG is really 
taken by how fast technology is improving and all the options this will 
provide and I think does not want to undermine that--but I do think 
those who feel that technology can accomplish the cutbacks needed to do 
so will generally  over time come to understand the challenge of 
replacing 80% of the global energy system, and so the need for at least 
some SRM. I also think there has generally been too little work (well, 
at least publication about work) on peak shaving SRM (so maybe 
offsetting 30-50% CO2 doubling with a phasing out with long-term CDR) as 
opposed to (a)  fully offsetting 2X or even 4X CO2 all by itself (which 
few, if any, advocate as the approach), and (b) comparisons of the 
resulting situation to changes from the preindustrial baseline (and not 
expressing the differences relative to the ranges of natural 
variability) rather than comparing the results with SRM applied to what 
would the situation would be without such SRM.


Mike MacCracken


On 6/29/20 2:10 PM, Andrew Revkin wrote:
Yes, keep in mind it took Al Gore nearly 20 years to accept that 
climate /adaptation/ was not a "form of laziness" (as he wrote in 
1992) and has to be pursued as vigorously as CO2 mitigation.

Wrote on this in Nat Geo: http://j.mp/adaptationrises

Not surprised it will take longer for him to be more nuanced on SRM - 
at least on examining it carefully.



On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:03 PM E Durbrow > wrote:


So there is a TED interview with Al Gore. His response (rant?) on
climate engineering (he seems to mean SRM but also marine climate
interventions) begins at minute 27. But do keep listening to the
interview for the next 10min. The interview, Chris Anderson,
pushes back and tries to see if Gore has a more nuanced view on
climate engineering. He doesn’t. Note: he doesn't approve of even
research.


https://www.ted.com/talks/al_gore_the_case_for_optimism_on_climate_change/transcript

Me: The interviewer seems to me more rational about climate
intervention than his interviewee. He calls for an adult
conversation after Gore's rant.
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