[geos-devel] Re: [Incubator] Motion: GEOS to Graduate Incubation
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: > Frank, > Thankyou for your responses and hard work in mentoring. > > I am currently +0 for graduation of Geos. > > I will be +1 once: > * An OSGeo Project Officer has been identified. Can we also ask this project > officer if they will act as a contact point for the OSGeo-Live project too? Cameron, The project has selected Sandro Santilli as project liason and chair. > * A commitment has been made to create an OSGeo-Live Project Overview in > time for the next OSGeo-Live release. (Frank, I think you have already made > that commitment) I made a start on it this weekend and hope to finish soon. I will note that so far only Jody has explicitly supported the motion. I'll add my +1 and make another call for other members of the committee to vote. I'd like a more convincing sense of the opinion of the committee before closing the motion! Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ geos-devel mailing list geos-devel@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/geos-devel
[geos-devel] Re: [Incubator] Motion: GEOS to Graduate Incubation
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote: > It is my opinion that it is sufficient for the project to accept the task of > writing a project overview. I would be willing to commit to doing this > for the project. I have filed a ticket to this effect, and will try to do it this weekend. http://trac.osgeo.org/geos/ticket/520 I have also become convinced that a small developer introduction for developers using GEOS would be a big asset for the project and I might take a crack at that too. Best regards, ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ geos-devel mailing list geos-devel@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/geos-devel
[geos-devel] Re: [Incubator] Motion: GEOS to Graduate Incubation
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote: > Thanks Frank, > > Based upon your questions, it seems like Geos is close to completion, but > there are still a couple of things that need to be addressed? (At least the > writing of a Project Overview for marketing). > > Am I right in assuming that we should wait until these issues are actioned > before considering Geos for incubation? Cameron, It is my opinion that it is sufficient for the project to accept the task of writing a project overview. I would be willing to commit to doing this for the project. There is a motion on the table, and if you feel that not currently having the project overview is sufficient grounds to hold up graduation it would be appropriate for you to vote -1 with an explanation to hold things up. I am not; however, going to withdraw the motion over this issue as I don't feel it is blocking. > If ok with you, I'd encourage you or someone to copy the incubation answers > below into a wiki or similar, so that we retain a more permanent record of > passing incubation. Once again, it had not been my expectation that we were supposed to provide in-advance answers to the checklist - that a completed incubation status report like: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GEOS_Incubation_Status is what is expected. If we want specific answers to everything in the checklist then it should be added to the status template. I continue to see the checklist as something mentors and incubation committee members should be reviewing when considering a project for graduation - and that might prompt specific questions. Many of my answers were already covered in the status document for instance. > My feeling is that the most thorough use of a checklist > is to have answers to each question (as you have done in an email) and > reviewers just need to check the answers, rather than try to work out > answers or email questions to a list to get the answers. Perhaps, but that is certainly a new process and I don't think it should be assumed. Best regards, -- ---+-- I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam, warmer...@pobox.com light and sound - activate the windows | http://pobox.com/~warmerdam and watch the world go round - Rush | Geospatial Software Developer ___ geos-devel mailing list geos-devel@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/geos-devel
[geos-devel] Re: [Incubator] Motion: GEOS to Graduate Incubation
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Cameron Shorter
wrote:
> Frank,
> Before we pass Geos through incubation, could you please point us at answers
> to the Incubation checklist:
Good point!
> Current version here:
> http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html
>
> Although I think it would be better to make use of the new 2.0 version of
> the checklist which I think Jody is about to get approved.
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Draft_Project_Graduation_Checklist_Draft
Let me try to address the draft checklist.
Open:
The code is under an open source license (LGPL).
Communication is done via the open mailing list and Trac.
Decision making is open, on the list, though my concern is that the
project hasn't really had contentious decisions to make so I'm not
fully confident in the maturity of the project in making tough decisions.
But I am not concerned about it being too closed.
Active and healthy community:
The developers and users are cooperative and open.
I am concerned about the size of the developer community, though there
are multiple contributors from different organizations so I think this is ok.
Copyright and License:
1. Again, the code is under an open source license.
2. I believe the API documentation is under LGPL by virtue of being
derived from the source files. There is relatively little other
documentation.
3. The code is properly vetted as part of the provenence review.
4. I do not believe the project keeps a list of copyright holders
identified in the provenance review, and now that I come on this item
in the checklist I question it's appropriateness. We do not normally
expect projects to keep a list of copyright holders.
5. The commiters have agreed to the license policy. I'm not sure
about this agreement being archived. I see this is archived for Chuck
Thibert, but seemingly not for Steven Wong.
Processes:
1. The code is under svn.
2. The project uses Trac.
3. The project has RFCs covering the PSC and committer guidelines. A
bit light I must admit.
Release Procedure:
1. The project does not have a codified release procedure. It does
have established practice which involves beta's and RCs for review,
and a vote before the release is finalized.
2. The project has a significant regression test ("make check").
3. The processes are not documented though they are part of the
project culture.
Board:
A person has not yet been identified to be the project officer. I
would suggest the person be Sandro Santilli, and I will discuss this
with the project now.
Marketing:
The project lacks a "quickstart" page or an "application overview" or
a one page flier. I'm not sure quickstart is applicable since the
project does not have any user facing tools, but at least an overview
is desirable.
The project is included in most binary distributions including OSGeo
Live, UbuntuGIS, and OSGeo4W.
Projects:
The GEOS project has good links to GDAL/OGR, PostGIS, Ingres, and
MapServer projects primarily in the form of common developers.
SAC:
The project is hosted at OSGeo, in the geos.osgeo.org domain and makes
good use of SAC support.
I would note I had imagined the check list being something that the
mentor would review before recommending a project for graduation, and
that incubation committee members would take into account when voting.
I was not expecting that a detailed report against the items would be
expected from the mentor or project.
> Of note (from the new checklist), I think that Geos should be addressing the
> Marketing criteria from the new checklist, which would include creating a
> Project Overview for Geos:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Draft_Project_Graduation_Checklist_Draft#Marketing
Agreed, this is a deficiency worth rectifying.
Best regards,
--
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