Re: So what does this really mean
In article <976c65ba-82a3-d20a-fe66-c35f07f6d...@su2root.ukfsn.org>, The Kernel wrote: > Catchup is not either of those, at least not as I read it. And services > such as Ch4/5 don't have any info that I see about a TV Licence I assume they feel it isn't their job to do so, or check. The BBC don't routinely tell you that you're paying for the ad-based commercial channels every time you go shopping, either. :-) Jim -- Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: So what does this really mean
From: Jonathan H Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 07:52 On the iPlayer site it says (my emphasis) "To watch or record live TV programmes on any channel, *or* to watch or download BBC programmes on iPlayer when you're in the UK, the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man". Have you or anyone else asked OFCOM what it means? This article says it does not apply to radio programmes or S4C. http://www.theweek.co.uk/75983/tv-licence-fee-changes-what-you-need-to-know Is that right? Where in the legislation does it say that? As far as I can see a licence is now needed to listen to or download BBC radio programmes using iPlayer (and probably podcasts as well) , but I can't be sure because it is so badly drafted. There is an amendment s368(3) of the Communications Act 2003. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/704/regulation/9/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/368 The difficulty is that there have been a huge number of amendments to s368 which have not yet been incorporated in legislation.gov.uk. They may be in Halsbury's Statutes. I haven't yet checked. They relate to all sorts of things including children's programmes and electronic cigarettes. The amendments relating to Guernsey and Jersey do not help clarity. Without a fully annotated copy of the section including all the amendments which are in force, it is impossible to construe it. I have not heard any suggestion that the change was intended to cover radio programmes. Perhaps we should all write to our MPs to ask what they intended the change to mean. Since writing this I have come across this. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2009/2979/regulation/2/made I have also seen amendments to it. It may be that a radio programme is outside the definition, "its principal purpose is the provision of programmes the form and content of which are comparable to the form and content of programmes normally included in television programme services". What about programme web sites? ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: Audio encoding changed, truncated audio files
hello After spending many hours researching this issue i have the following: I used Rod_Whiting pid=p045pzc5 for all testing. the raw downloaded file: Mac Mini running Mountain Lion MacOSX & get_Iplayer-2.96: download OK Raspberry Pi 2 running Raspbian Jessie & get_iplayer-2.96:download OK Raspberry Pi 3 running Raspbian Jessie & get_iplayer-2.96:download OK Windows 10 & get_iplayer-2.96: download OK AMD Debian Linux Jessie & get_iplayer-2.96: download Failed Intel Debain Linux Jessie & get_iplayer-2.96: download Failed the Debian Linux Jessie Downloaded Raw files were all shorter in length than the other platform files. 440432523 Sep 14 10:12 Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw.m4a 440751343 Sep 14 11:33 Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-02.m4a 442055972 Sep 14 18:25 Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-hallein.m4a 442055972 Sep 14 20:51 Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-niedernsill.m4a 442055972 Sep 14 09:39 Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-wien.m4a 442055972 Sep 14 10:42 Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-windows.m4a using mp4file --list on Debian Linux machines, MacOSX & Raspbian on the raw downloaded files gives the following: ReadAtom: "Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-02.m4a": invalid atom size, extends outside parent atom - skipping to end of "" "ќǤ" 3608486380 vs 440751343 iso6 dash,iso6 32-bit Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-02.m4a iso6 dash,iso6 32-bit Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-hallein.m4a ReadAtom: "Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw.m4a": invalid atom size, extends outside parent atom - skipping to end of "" "?o??" 3609949306 vs 440432523 iso6 dash,iso6 32-bit Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw.m4a iso6 dash,iso6 32-bit Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-niedernsill.m4a iso6 dash,iso6 32-bit Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-wien.m4a iso6 dash,iso6 32-bit Rod_Whiting/Rod_Whiting_-_1364._2016-09-10_p045pzc5_original-raw-windows.m4a wien == MacOSX, hallein == Raspberry Pi 3 niedernsill == Raspberry Pi 2 raw == AMD raw-02 Intel I ran the 4 ok downloads through many different version of ffmpeg on the MacOSX & AMD Linux the resulting output file were all OK AtomicParsley tagged the output files OK. The Issue is with Perl Modules under Debian Linux Jessie. Sometime between Sunday 2016-09-04 & Sunday 2016-09-11 Debian Linux Jessie Updated which broken get_iplayer under Debian Linux. In all likelihood the update took place Saturday night. The AMD Debian Linux box has been my "go to" box for years. it have used it for get_iplayer for 4 years. There was never an issue like this at anytime in the past. The Raspberry Pi were clean installs in the past week. for now I will use the MacOSX computer until I am able to sort out the Debian Linux boxes. My first thought is to downgrade all Perl Modules on the AMD Debian Linux box. the Intel Box will be kept intact until such time I am able to wipe it clean and retire it. For now it will be a comparison box. On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Vangelis forthnet wrote: > On Wed Sep 14 13:42:05 BST 2016, RS wrote: > >> -i says >> timeadded: 3 days 1 hours ago (2016-09-11T10:22:11+00:00) >> so it has been updated. > > > Greetings Richard :-) > > The "timeadded" part actually informs you > of when that specific audio programme first > populated your local "radio.cache" file; > it has nothing to do with the actual time > that audio file was uploaded/modified > by the BBC on their CDNs! > E.g., if I "--info" on my machine: > > perl get_iplayer-296w.pl --type=radio --pid=p045j35r -i | FindStr timeadded > > I get: > > timeadded: 10 days 20 hours ago (2016-09-04T02:18:08+00:00) > > (this specific radio show was > firstbcast: original: 2016-09-03T06:00:00+01:00) > >> I have just tried this with v2.95 in Windows 10 >> (snip) >> for dashhigh1. >> (snip) >> Interestingly, all the HAF modes have been removed. > > > NO, they have not! You are using GiP 2.95, the "haf" > radiomodes were implemented in 2.96+ : > > https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/release296#3-combined-dash-haf-and-hlsaac-modes-now-default-for-radio-programmes-dash-preferred > > ergo: > > perl get_iplayer-296w.pl --type=radio --pid=p045j35r -i | FindStr "modes:" > > modes: original: > dashhigh1,dashhigh2,dashstd1,dashstd2,dashmed1,dashmed > 2,dashlow1,dashlow2,flashaacstd1,flashaacstd2,flashaaclow1,flashaaclow2,hafhigh1 > ,hafhigh2,hafstd1,hafstd2,hafmed1,hafmed2,haflow1,haflow2,hlsaacstd1,hlsaaclow1 > > whereas: > > perl get_iplayer-295.pl --type=radio --pid=p045j35r -i | FindStr "modes:"
Re: So what does this really mean
From: RS Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:31 What about programme web sites? Do I now need a television licence to watch www.bbc.co.uk/news? For example, is today's item on the centenary of the tank a programme the form and content of which are comparable to the form and content of programmes normally included in television programme services? Does that make it an on-demand service provided by the BBC? At one time I had a boss who didn't go out for lunch, but he used to listen to the lunchtime news at his desk. Suppose instead he had watched www.bbc.co.uk/news on his desktop computer, and he was still doing it now. Is the employer required to buy a television licence? ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
RE: So what does this really mean
> -Original Message- > From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On > Behalf Of RS > Sent: 15 September 2016 13:47 > To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org > Subject: Re: So what does this really mean > > > From: RS Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:31 > > > What about programme web sites? > > Do I now need a television licence to watch www.bbc.co.uk/news? > For example, is today's item on the centenary of the tank a programme > the form and content of which are comparable to the form and content of > programmes normally included in television programme services? > Does that make it an on-demand service provided by the BBC? > > At one time I had a boss who didn't go out for lunch, but he used to > listen to the lunchtime news at his desk. Suppose instead he had > watched www.bbc.co.uk/news on his desktop computer, and he was still > doing it now. > Is the employer required to buy a television licence? > > You need a licence to watch any BBC TV programmes on iPLayer, live or on demand. See.. http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/bbc-iplayer-and-th e-tv-licence However it isn't a requirement to have a licence for on-demand ITVPlayer programmes or other sources such as Netflix. Also you don't need a licence to listen to BBC radio programmes either live or on demand. See... http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/radio/other/tvs/radio_tv_licence I think the intention was always pretty clear following the Government's statement earlier in the year. Rgds Simon Morgan ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: So what does this really mean
On 15/09/16 15:23, Simon Morgan wrote: However it isn't a requirement to have a licence for on-demand ITVPlayer programmes or other sources such as Netflix. My point exactly And that really the detail is unclear And quite frankly, enforcement will be near impossible in some cases ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
