Re: no more hslv format ?

[chris chery]

hi i m in france
I just try to download hamlet  again to see if i could get the hlshd1 format 
,which I did get  but all other download attempts gave me hvfxsd1
- Original Message - 
From: Paul Thornett

To: chris chery
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: no more hslv format ?


Just because I'm interested, where are you located (I'm in Australia)? And 
how come you need to download a 2nd time?


I downloaded Hamlet in hlshd format. It's 3.2Gb, and I'm happy to share it 
with you if you like. I could also reduce its size using any parameters you 
like.



-
Regards,
 Paul Thornett



On Wed., 18 Apr. 2018, 21:55 chris chery,  wrote:

hi
whatever happened on or arounf friday 13 th april when I downloaded  hamlet
in hlsv 1200*720 25fpsand now when all I get is  the Hvfxsd1format 960*540
25dfps
Trying to redownload hamlet  i do get the hlsv size but no such luck with
any other progammes
i am outside the uk
regards
cc
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From: "Paul Thornett" 

To: "RS" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!



That's interesting and odd. With the --info option I don't see the
hlsxx options nor the hvf... one, but I can certainly download the
hlsxx one!
Regards,

Paul Thornett


On 18 April 2018 at 20:41, RS  wrote:

On 18/04/18 11:05, Paul Thornett wrote:


As a matter of interest, how do I check if hls is available for a
particular file? I thought --info would show this, but using this
option on "Ordeal by Innocence Episode 1" does not reveal the
availability of the hlshd stream, even though it is there.



This is what --info gives me for that episode.
modes:  editorial:
dvfhd1,dvfhd2,dvfsd1,dvfsd2,dvfxsd1,dvfxsd2,dvfxhigh1,dvfxhigh2,
dvflow1,dvflow2,hlshd1,hlsvhigh1,hvfhd1,hvfhd2,hvfhd3,hvfsd1,hvfsd2,
hvfsd3,hvfxsd1,hvfxsd2,hvfxsd3,hvfhigh1,hvfhigh2,hvfhigh3,hvfxhigh1,
hvfxhigh2,hvfxhigh3,hvfstd1,hvfstd2,hvfstd3,hvflow1,hvflow2,hvflow3,
subtitles1,subtitles2,subtitles3

[line breaks inserted]

I have just noticed that the only HLS modes are hlshd1 and hlsvhigh1. For
the other two episodes there were only DVF and HVF modes.


Best wishes
Richard


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no more hslv format ?

[chris chery]

hi
whatever happened on or arounf friday 13 th april when I downloaded  hamlet
in hlsv 1200*720 25fpsand now when all I get is  the Hvfxsd1format 960*540
25dfps
Trying to redownload hamlet  i do get the hlsv size but no such luck with
any other progammes
i am outside the uk
regards
cc
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From: "Paul Thornett" 

To: "RS" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!



That's interesting and odd. With the --info option I don't see the
hlsxx options nor the hvf... one, but I can certainly download the
hlsxx one!
Regards,

Paul Thornett


On 18 April 2018 at 20:41, RS  wrote:

On 18/04/18 11:05, Paul Thornett wrote:


As a matter of interest, how do I check if hls is available for a
particular file? I thought --info would show this, but using this
option on "Ordeal by Innocence Episode 1" does not reveal the
availability of the hlshd stream, even though it is there.



This is what --info gives me for that episode.
modes:  editorial:
dvfhd1,dvfhd2,dvfsd1,dvfsd2,dvfxsd1,dvfxsd2,dvfxhigh1,dvfxhigh2,
dvflow1,dvflow2,hlshd1,hlsvhigh1,hvfhd1,hvfhd2,hvfhd3,hvfsd1,hvfsd2,
hvfsd3,hvfxsd1,hvfxsd2,hvfxsd3,hvfhigh1,hvfhigh2,hvfhigh3,hvfxhigh1,
hvfxhigh2,hvfxhigh3,hvfstd1,hvfstd2,hvfstd3,hvflow1,hvflow2,hvflow3,
subtitles1,subtitles2,subtitles3

[line breaks inserted]

I have just noticed that the only HLS modes are hlshd1 and hlsvhigh1. For
the other two episodes there were only DVF and HVF modes.


Best wishes
Richard


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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[Paul Thornett]

That's interesting and odd. With the --info option I don't see the
hlsxx options nor the hvf... one, but I can certainly download the
hlsxx one!
Regards,

Paul Thornett


On 18 April 2018 at 20:41, RS  wrote:
> On 18/04/18 11:05, Paul Thornett wrote:
>>
>> As a matter of interest, how do I check if hls is available for a
>> particular file? I thought --info would show this, but using this
>> option on "Ordeal by Innocence Episode 1" does not reveal the
>> availability of the hlshd stream, even though it is there.
>
>
> This is what --info gives me for that episode.
> modes:  editorial:
> dvfhd1,dvfhd2,dvfsd1,dvfsd2,dvfxsd1,dvfxsd2,dvfxhigh1,dvfxhigh2,
> dvflow1,dvflow2,hlshd1,hlsvhigh1,hvfhd1,hvfhd2,hvfhd3,hvfsd1,hvfsd2,
> hvfsd3,hvfxsd1,hvfxsd2,hvfxsd3,hvfhigh1,hvfhigh2,hvfhigh3,hvfxhigh1,
> hvfxhigh2,hvfxhigh3,hvfstd1,hvfstd2,hvfstd3,hvflow1,hvflow2,hvflow3,
> subtitles1,subtitles2,subtitles3
>
> [line breaks inserted]
>
> I have just noticed that the only HLS modes are hlshd1 and hlsvhigh1. For
> the other two episodes there were only DVF and HVF modes.
>
>
> Best wishes
> Richard
>
>
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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[RS]

On 18/04/18 11:05, Paul Thornett wrote:

As a matter of interest, how do I check if hls is available for a
particular file? I thought --info would show this, but using this
option on "Ordeal by Innocence Episode 1" does not reveal the
availability of the hlshd stream, even though it is there.


This is what --info gives me for that episode.
modes:  editorial: 
dvfhd1,dvfhd2,dvfsd1,dvfsd2,dvfxsd1,dvfxsd2,dvfxhigh1,dvfxhigh2,

dvflow1,dvflow2,hlshd1,hlsvhigh1,hvfhd1,hvfhd2,hvfhd3,hvfsd1,hvfsd2,
hvfsd3,hvfxsd1,hvfxsd2,hvfxsd3,hvfhigh1,hvfhigh2,hvfhigh3,hvfxhigh1,
hvfxhigh2,hvfxhigh3,hvfstd1,hvfstd2,hvfstd3,hvflow1,hvflow2,hvflow3,
subtitles1,subtitles2,subtitles3

[line breaks inserted]

I have just noticed that the only HLS modes are hlshd1 and hlsvhigh1. 
For the other two episodes there were only DVF and HVF modes.


Best wishes
Richard


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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[iz]

On 18 April 2018 at 10:52, RS  wrote:
> Are you counting HVF as HLS streams?

Of course. For anyone confused, you have to distinguish "hls" the
prefix from HLS the format.  The "hvf" prefix also denotes HLS format
streams.

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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[Nick Payne]

On 18/04/2018 8:05 PM, Paul Thornett wrote:
> As a matter of interest, how do I check if hls is available for a
> particular file? I thought --info would show this, but using this
> option on "Ordeal by Innocence Episode 1" does not reveal the
> availability of the hlshd stream, even though it is there.
I have tvmode=hlshd in my options file. If hlshd is available, it gets
used, otherwise the download fails, and I then look at the GiP console
output to see what modes are available, choose one, and use --tvmode=...
on the command line to override the options file.

Nick


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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[Paul Thornett]

As a matter of interest, how do I check if hls is available for a
particular file? I thought --info would show this, but using this
option on "Ordeal by Innocence Episode 1" does not reveal the
availability of the hlshd stream, even though it is there.
Regards,

Paul Thornett


On 18 April 2018 at 19:52, RS  wrote:
> On 18/04/18 09:06, iz wrote:
>>
>> On 18 April 2018 at 08:53, Alan Milewczyk  wrote:
>>>
>>> HLS streams are being phased out.
>>
>>
>> No they’re not. Only the 1280x720 and 832x468 25fps HLS streams are gone
>>
>
> Are you counting HVF as HLS streams?  If I take b0b071wx as a recent
> example, for version original I can only see DVF and HVF modes and
> subtitles.
>
> If we are stuck with DVF and HVF we are also stuck with the BBC's absurd
> notion that increasing the frame rate [by duplicating frames?] to 50fps more
> than compensates for reducing the resolution to keep the bandwidth the same.
>
> Best wishes
> Richard
>
>
>
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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[RS]

On 18/04/18 09:06, iz wrote:

On 18 April 2018 at 08:53, Alan Milewczyk  wrote:

HLS streams are being phased out.


No they’re not. Only the 1280x720 and 832x468 25fps HLS streams are gone



Are you counting HVF as HLS streams?  If I take b0b071wx as a recent 
example, for version original I can only see DVF and HVF modes and 
subtitles.


If we are stuck with DVF and HVF we are also stuck with the BBC's absurd 
notion that increasing the frame rate [by duplicating frames?] to 50fps 
more than compensates for reducing the resolution to keep the bandwidth 
the same.


Best wishes
Richard



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Re: Using ffmpeg to halve frame rate

[RS]

On 17/04/18 22:27, Nick Payne wrote:


I just ran another test on some 1280x720 50fps and 1280x720 25fps
downloads from the last UK snooker championship. As before, the 25fps
downloads were reduced to about 1/3 previous size by Handbrake (eg a
4h58m match that was 5.03Gb came down to 1.55Gb). However, the 50fps
downloads were reduced by far more with exactly the same settings in
Handbrake - for example, a 4h44m match that was a 10.2Gb download from
GiP came down to 1.48Gb, and a 4h14m 8.93Gb file came down to 1.30Gb.
This leads me to wonder if the 50fps downloads are from a 25fps original
and just have each frame duplicated, as after running through Handbrake,
the file sizes just seem proportional to the length of the program, and
whether 50fps or 25fps has no effect on the file size.

That's interesting.  I did wonder how the BBC was generating its 50fps 
material.  It seemed surprising that it would shoot all its material at 
a higher frame rate than broadcast just for the benefit of the iPlayer.


If I want to achieve a 50fps frame rate by duplicating frames I can do 
that myself.  For the BBC to duplicate frames is a waste of everyone's 
time and bandwidth.


Best wishes
Richard


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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[Owen Smith]

ie. the useful ones are being phased out. The only reason I would download 
something other than 1280 x 720 is if a higher resolution were available, or 
5.1 sound, or some other improvement. I watch this stuff on my TV and surround 
sound system, the BBC seems to think we are all watching iPlayer on our mobile 
phones and nothing else.

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> On 18 Apr 2018, at 09:06, iz  wrote:
> 
>> On 18 April 2018 at 08:53, Alan Milewczyk  wrote:
>> HLS streams are being phased out.
> 
> No they’re not. Only the 1280x720 and 832x468 25fps HLS streams are gone
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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[iz]

On 18 April 2018 at 08:53, Alan Milewczyk  wrote:
> HLS streams are being phased out.

No they’re not. Only the 1280x720 and 832x468 25fps HLS streams are gone

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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[Alan Milewczyk]

On 18/04/2018 07:33, iz wrote:

On 18 April 2018 at 07:28, Paul Thornett  wrote:

OK, but, previously, the tvmode=best has produced an .mp4 file that my
PVR is quite happy with. This is no longer the case. Does that not
suggest something has changed?

Only that you're now being denied access to the HLS streams GiP uses as default.


HLS streams are being phased out. I'm in the UK and I'm finding that 
programmes previously available in HLS no longer have that option.


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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[iz]

On 18 April 2018 at 07:28, Paul Thornett  wrote:
> OK, but, previously, the tvmode=best has produced an .mp4 file that my
> PVR is quite happy with. This is no longer the case. Does that not
> suggest something has changed?

Only that you're now being denied access to the HLS streams GiP uses as default.

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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[Paul Thornett]

OK, but, previously, the tvmode=best has produced an .mp4 file that my
PVR is quite happy with. This is no longer the case. Does that not
suggest something has changed?

And you're right - I'm not in UK. But how did you deduce that from my postings?
Regards,

Paul Thornett


On 18 April 2018 at 15:01, Paul Thornett  wrote:
> Well, I've "solved" the problem, albeit in a somewhat unintuitive manner.
>
> Remember, I can no longer play any GIP-downloaded videos on my PVR.
> And transcoding then with Handbrake helps not at all.
>
> But opening them with VideoRedo TvSuite 5, applying QuickStream Fix
> and saving the input .mp4 files as H.264 Transport Stream (.ts) files
> works, even when no errors are found (which is the case for 9 of
> the.10 files I tried). This does not involve transcoding, so speed is
> good. And I can then apply subtitles with MKVMerge. A somewhat
> convoluted process requiring 2 additional steps to what occurred
> previously, but it's fast and doesn't incur an increase in size.
>
> So the question is: what is QuickStream Fix doing that Handbrake can't?
> Regards,
>
> Paul Thornett
>
>
> On 18 April 2018 at 12:32, Paul Thornett  wrote:
>> I haven't expressed myself well.
>>
>> My PVR is able to play .mkv, .mp4, .ts, .mpg, etc. I infer its
>> preference for .ts files from the fact that when the current entry in
>> a list of videos/movies is a .ts file, it is able to display length
>> and other data.
>>
>> I was wrong in my earlier post. I have transcoded a couple of
>> different GIP download attempts using Handbrake, and the problem
>> remains - I still cannot see any video (and I am really suprised by
>> this).
>>
>> Before I discovered GIP's --raw setting a few months ago, my prefs
>> contained no preferred modes, so presumably the --tvmode=best was
>> implied. Then, of course, I was getting .mp4 files, all of which
>> played perfectly. So it seems to me that something in the BBC's
>> formatting has changed recently; but that change has apparently been
>> picked up only by my PVR (which seems rather unlikely).
>> Regards,
>>
>> Paul Thornett
>>
>>
>> On 18 April 2018 at 07:12, iz  wrote:
>>> On 17 April 2018 at 16:24, Paul Thornett  wrote:
   --tvmode = best (results in dvfxsd1)
>>>
>>> It seems hvf streams are not available to you for some reason. They
>>> would spare you this headache. Otherwise, just re-mux your .mp4 to .ts
>>> (mpeg-ts). You can then re-mux back to .mp4 if necessary. Worked for
>>> me with QuickTime and Apple TV, which have the same limitation.

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Re: Cannot play downloads from get_iplayer!

[iz]

On Wednesday, 18 April 2018, Paul Thornett  wrote:
>
>
> So the question is: what is QuickStream Fix doing that Handbrake can't?


It is doing what I told you to do, remux your .mp4 to .ts. You can do
it with ffmpeg, and no doubt with other tools. Transcoding with
Handbrake will not help if you still produce a file incompatible with
your hardware. Since you don’t have access to HLS streams, you have to
fix up the video from DASH streams to be compatible with your player.
Nothing has changed with the stream formats. You’re just not getting
all the streams you did before. I’m guessing you’re not in the UK.

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