Re: BBC Versions
On 28/11/2018 17:45, Alan Milewczyk wrote: On 28/11/2018 14:50, Budge wrote: On 25/11/2018 15:22, Anna Obarzanowska wrote: The different versions may also be pre/post-watershed, or signed. [snip] Further to this I have just had an issue with a recent download which was shown as pre-watershed and then crashed for some reason. The download then started again automatically but then came as the 'original' version even though the time of the download was before the watershed. Subsequently I have tried to download during the day time using pid and the pre-watershed version comes up although it seems to me unlikely the subject matter would be watershed sensitive, e.g.:- 'Operation_Gold_Rush_with_Dan_Snow_Series_1_-_1._Mountain_Passes_b0824c97_original.' This raises two question; How do I force the 'original' version for download, since it is clearly extant irrespective of ToD? If you append --info to the command line, it will show the versions available. To download the original version (if it exists online at the time) , just append --version=original. Currently, for the pid in question, the only versions available are "audiodescribed" and "original". For the second episode, it's "audiodescribed" and "prewatershed". It's not the first time that the BBC has uploaded further versions a day or two after the initial versions. I'm guessing that the only difference between "prewatershed" and "original" is language, i.e. the deletion of an expletive. Alan --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer Many thanks Alan, exactly what I needed. Pity life gets more complicated. I shall look again in a day or so to see if the original is now available. Not critical but I prefer the unexpurgated versions if available! ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: BBC Versions
On 28/11/2018 14:50, Budge wrote: On 25/11/2018 15:22, Anna Obarzanowska wrote: The different versions may also be pre/post-watershed, or signed. [snip] Further to this I have just had an issue with a recent download which was shown as pre-watershed and then crashed for some reason. The download then started again automatically but then came as the 'original' version even though the time of the download was before the watershed. Subsequently I have tried to download during the day time using pid and the pre-watershed version comes up although it seems to me unlikely the subject matter would be watershed sensitive, e.g.:- 'Operation_Gold_Rush_with_Dan_Snow_Series_1_-_1._Mountain_Passes_b0824c97_original.' This raises two question; How do I force the 'original' version for download, since it is clearly extant irrespective of ToD? If you append --info to the command line, it will show the versions available. To download the original version (if it exists online at the time) , just append --version=original. Currently, for the pid in question, the only versions available are "audiodescribed" and "original". For the second episode, it's "audiodescribed" and "prewatershed". It's not the first time that the BBC has uploaded further versions a day or two after the initial versions. I'm guessing that the only difference between "prewatershed" and "original" is language, i.e. the deletion of an expletive. Alan --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: BBC Versions
On 25/11/2018 15:22, Anna Obarzanowska wrote: The different versions may also be pre/post-watershed, or signed. [snip] Further to this I have just had an issue with a recent download which was shown as pre-watershed and then crashed for some reason. The download then started again automatically but then came as the 'original' version even though the time of the download was before the watershed. Subsequently I have tried to download during the day time using pid and the pre-watershed version comes up although it seems to me unlikely the subject matter would be watershed sensitive, e.g.:- 'Operation_Gold_Rush_with_Dan_Snow_Series_1_-_1._Mountain_Passes_b0824c97_original.' This raises two question; How do I force the 'original' version for download, since it is clearly extant irrespective of ToD? Is there some filter/process that directs or qualifies the version which is downloaded and can this be bypassed? ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: BBC Versions
The different versions may also be pre/post-watershed, or signed. > On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 at 12:16, RS wrote: >> >> On 25/11/2018 09:11, Chris Marriott wrote: >> > The names seem reasonable descriptive to me. "Legal" presumably means >> > that the programme has been edited for legal reasons. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- From: ipla...@nutwood.net >> > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:31 AM >> > To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org >> > Subject: BBC Versions >> > >> > Does anyone have any insight as to the meaning of the various 'version' >> > descriptions used by the BBC? >> > >> > The one that concerns me most is 'shortened', which is becoming more and >> > more common amongst the programmes I choose. I imagine and hope that >> > these are merely trimmed to remove extraneous material - continuity etc >> > before the actual programme. I have no way to be sure of this, though. >> > For all I know the BBC could be turning out the audio equivalent of >> > Readers Digest Condensed Books to fit available time slots. >> > >> > As for 'technical', 'editorial' and 'legal', I am at a loss. Does >> > 'legal' imply the existence of an 'illegal' version secretly >> > circulating? >> > >> I haven't come across many shortened programmes. There was an episode >> of Homes Under the Hammer I watched because I wanted to see what >> happened to one of the three properties. By the end of the programme >> there had been no mention of the property I was interested in. When I >> looked in the iPlayer only a shortened version was available. I thought >> at the time it had been shortened from 44 to 29 minutes, but since most >> of the programmes are 59 minutes it may have been shortened from 59 >> minutes to 29 minutes. >> >> >> >> ___ >> get_iplayer mailing list >> get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org >> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: BBC Versions
On 25/11/2018 09:11, Chris Marriott wrote: The names seem reasonable descriptive to me. "Legal" presumably means that the programme has been edited for legal reasons. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- From: ipla...@nutwood.net Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:31 AM To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: BBC Versions Does anyone have any insight as to the meaning of the various 'version' descriptions used by the BBC? The one that concerns me most is 'shortened', which is becoming more and more common amongst the programmes I choose. I imagine and hope that these are merely trimmed to remove extraneous material - continuity etc before the actual programme. I have no way to be sure of this, though. For all I know the BBC could be turning out the audio equivalent of Readers Digest Condensed Books to fit available time slots. As for 'technical', 'editorial' and 'legal', I am at a loss. Does 'legal' imply the existence of an 'illegal' version secretly circulating? I haven't come across many shortened programmes. There was an episode of Homes Under the Hammer I watched because I wanted to see what happened to one of the three properties. By the end of the programme there had been no mention of the property I was interested in. When I looked in the iPlayer only a shortened version was available. I thought at the time it had been shortened from 44 to 29 minutes, but since most of the programmes are 59 minutes it may have been shortened from 59 minutes to 29 minutes. ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
Re: BBC Versions
The names seem reasonable descriptive to me. "Legal" presumably means that the programme has been edited for legal reasons. Cheers, Chris -Original Message- From: ipla...@nutwood.net Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:31 AM To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org Subject: BBC Versions Does anyone have any insight as to the meaning of the various 'version' descriptions used by the BBC? The one that concerns me most is 'shortened', which is becoming more and more common amongst the programmes I choose. I imagine and hope that these are merely trimmed to remove extraneous material - continuity etc before the actual programme. I have no way to be sure of this, though. For all I know the BBC could be turning out the audio equivalent of Readers Digest Condensed Books to fit available time slots. As for 'technical', 'editorial' and 'legal', I am at a loss. Does 'legal' imply the existence of an 'illegal' version secretly circulating? -- Mike Casswell ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
BBC Versions
Does anyone have any insight as to the meaning of the various 'version' descriptions used by the BBC? The one that concerns me most is 'shortened', which is becoming more and more common amongst the programmes I choose. I imagine and hope that these are merely trimmed to remove extraneous material - continuity etc before the actual programme. I have no way to be sure of this, though. For all I know the BBC could be turning out the audio equivalent of Readers Digest Condensed Books to fit available time slots. As for 'technical', 'editorial' and 'legal', I am at a loss. Does 'legal' imply the existence of an 'illegal' version secretly circulating? -- Mike Casswell ___ get_iplayer mailing list get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
