Re: Help text query

[artisticforge .]

hello

it is like most thing Ubuntu, they just have to be "different".
;-)



On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:06 AM, David Cantrell  wrote:
> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 06:22:35PM +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
>> Hi David,
>> > > If your distribution handles PPAs, there is little point, but if it
>> > > does not, it could be very handy.
>> > Not really. I have no idea what a PPA is so I presume that my OSes
>> > don't handle them. I just regularly 'brew update;brew upgrade' on OS X
>> > and 'apt-get update;apt-get upgrade' on Linux.
>> A PPA is one place for apt-get to fetch packages from.
>> If you find apt-get update gives you 3.00, 3.01, etc., soon after
>> they're released, then you pulling their packages from somewhere other
>> than a stable Ubuntu 2016-10, etc., that wouldn't update much once
>> released;  that might be a PPA you've told it about in the past.
>
> Oh, so it's just Hipster for "third-party repository".
>
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Re: Help text query

[David Cantrell]

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 06:22:35PM +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Hi David,
> > > If your distribution handles PPAs, there is little point, but if it
> > > does not, it could be very handy.
> > Not really. I have no idea what a PPA is so I presume that my OSes
> > don't handle them. I just regularly 'brew update;brew upgrade' on OS X
> > and 'apt-get update;apt-get upgrade' on Linux.
> A PPA is one place for apt-get to fetch packages from.
> If you find apt-get update gives you 3.00, 3.01, etc., soon after
> they're released, then you pulling their packages from somewhere other
> than a stable Ubuntu 2016-10, etc., that wouldn't update much once
> released;  that might be a PPA you've told it about in the past.

Oh, so it's just Hipster for "third-party repository".

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Re: Help text query

[Colin Law]

On 9 May 2017 at 16:03, David Cantrell  wrote:
> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 01:56:03PM +0100, Martin Powell wrote:
> ...
>> If your distribution handles PPAs, there is little point, but if it does
>> not, it could be very handy.
>
> Not really. I have no idea what a PPA is so I presume that my OSes don't
> handle them. I just regularly 'brew update;brew upgrade' on OS X and
> 'apt-get update;apt-get upgrade' on Linux.

Ubuntu/Mint PPA (Personal Package Archive) for get-iplayer is
https://launchpad.net/~jon-hedgerows/+archive/ubuntu/get-iplayer

>
>> I'm in the process of moving from Mint (with PPAs) to PCLinuxOS (No
>> PPAs) so the update would be nice.
>
> PCLinuxOS's web page is confusing, it says that it uses APT (from
> Debian) but also that they have loads of RPM packages. Either way,
> better to just add a suitable package repository and use that instead of
> each application supplying its own update tool.

The PPA *is* the 'suitable package repository' if you want to keep up
to date on Ubuntu or Mint.

Colin

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Re: Help text query

[Ralph Corderoy]

Hi David,

> > If your distribution handles PPAs, there is little point, but if it
> > does not, it could be very handy.
>
> Not really. I have no idea what a PPA is so I presume that my OSes
> don't handle them. I just regularly 'brew update;brew upgrade' on OS X
> and 'apt-get update;apt-get upgrade' on Linux.

A PPA is one place for apt-get to fetch packages from.
If you find apt-get update gives you 3.00, 3.01, etc., soon after
they're released, then you pulling their packages from somewhere other
than a stable Ubuntu 2016-10, etc., that wouldn't update much once
released;  that might be a PPA you've told it about in the past.

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RE: Help text query

[Andy Wedge]

> On Behalf Of David Cantrell
> Sent: 09 May 2017 16:04


> On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 01:56:03PM +0100, Martin Powell wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone think reinstating the -u flag would be a good idea??
> 
> No.
> 

It seems like it's just on oversight in the documentation now then.  I
always looked for the release notifications and decided if I want to
update rather than relying on a switch.  If, as it seems, the -u option
has been removed I don't see a need to reinstate it.

Cheers,
Andy



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Re: Help text query

[David Cantrell]

On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 01:56:03PM +0100, Martin Powell wrote:

> Does anyone think reinstating the -u flag would be a good idea??

No.

> If your distribution handles PPAs, there is little point, but if it does 
> not, it could be very handy.

Not really. I have no idea what a PPA is so I presume that my OSes don't
handle them. I just regularly 'brew update;brew upgrade' on OS X and
'apt-get update;apt-get upgrade' on Linux.

> I'm in the process of moving from Mint (with PPAs) to PCLinuxOS (No 
> PPAs) so the update would be nice.

PCLinuxOS's web page is confusing, it says that it uses APT (from
Debian) but also that they have loads of RPM packages. Either way,
better to just add a suitable package repository and use that instead of
each application supplying its own update tool.

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Re: Help text query

[Ralph Corderoy]

Hi Martin,

> Does anyone think reinstating the -u flag would be a good idea??

I don't think it will happen.  Presumably, it was removed to encourage
one to read the upgrade and installation notes and follow them, rather
than just assume it's all automatic?

An option that was silent unless a new release was available would be
useful.  It can be manually checked by visiting

$ curl -sSI https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/releases/latest |
> grep -i '^location:'
Location: https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/releases/tag/v3.01
$

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Re: Help text query

[Martin Powell]

Does anyone think reinstating the -u flag would be a good idea??

If your distribution handles PPAs, there is little point, but if it does 
not, it could be very handy.


I'm in the process of moving from Mint (with PPAs) to PCLinuxOS (No 
PPAs) so the update would be nice.


What do other people think??

Martin


On 09/05/17 13:42, Ralph Corderoy wrote:

Hi Andy,


Yes, the --force option is described in the recording options but it
mentions -u which I can't see referenced anywhere else.

In 2.90, one of the old version I have here, -u is present.

 update => [ 2, "update|u!", 'Config', '--update, -u',
 "Update get_iplayer if a newer version is available.  If so,
 plugins also will be updated if newer versions available."],

That option was removed some time ago, and it stopped having an effect
in versions that did have it, leaving users, including me, blissfully
ignorant that there were new releases as we were happily running -u to
check.




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Re: Help text query

[Ralph Corderoy]

Hi Andy,

> Yes, the --force option is described in the recording options but it
> mentions -u which I can't see referenced anywhere else.

In 2.90, one of the old version I have here, -u is present.

update => [ 2, "update|u!", 'Config', '--update, -u',
"Update get_iplayer if a newer version is available.  If so,
plugins also will be updated if newer versions available."],

That option was removed some time ago, and it stopped having an effect
in versions that did have it, leaving users, including me, blissfully
ignorant that there were new releases as we were happily running -u to
check.

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RE: Help text query

[Andy Wedge]

> On Behalf Of Simon Morgan
> Sent: 09 May 2017 11:49
> 
> Its only use seems to be in the recording options as described here...
> 
>
https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/options#recording-option
s
> 

Yes, the --force option is described in the recording options but it
mentions -u which I can't see referenced anywhere else.

Andy


> 
> > On Behalf Of Andy Wedge
> > Sent: 09 May 2017 11:38
> >
> > I'm just looking through the -helplong text for GiP 3.01 and the
-force
> > option says that it "forces a script update if used with -u".   I
can't
> > see any other reference to a -u option though and specifying it just
> > seems to cause GiP to display some basic help information as though
> > it's an unrecognised parameter.  Have I missed something?
> >
> > Andy

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RE: Help text query

[Simon Morgan]

Its only use seems to be in the recording options as described here...

https://github.com/get-iplayer/get_iplayer/wiki/options#recording-options

Rgds
Simon Morgan

> -Original Message-
> From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org] On
> Behalf Of Andy Wedge
> Sent: 09 May 2017 11:38
> To: get_iplayer@lists.infradead.org
> Subject: Help text query
> 
> I'm just looking through the -helplong text for GiP 3.01 and the -force
> option says that it "forces a script update if used with -u".   I can't
> see any other reference to a -u option though and specifying it just
> seems to cause GiP to display some basic help information as though
> it's an unrecognised parameter.  Have I missed something?
> 
> Andy
> 



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