Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:25:40AM +0200, Marc A. Lehmann wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 11:29:30AM +0200, Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you think of the 'dynamic shortcuts' preference as an alternative to > > shortcut editor you will probably see it's not much of a workaround. You > > activate it and are working in shortcut learning mode. You turn it off > > once you're done with assigning shortcuts. > > Unfortunately, many people (like me) actually use them for dynamic > shortcuts, and having to enable/disable it everytime you reassign > keybindings makes the feature useless. Essentially the "dynamic" part of > the feature got severly limited. > > Sure, "if" you think that way it's fine... but not everybody thinks in > statically assigned keybindings, I often reassign keys dynamically in > vi or use macros, the same is true for gimp. Of course, I am not such a > power user that gimp should be specifically re-written for my (possibly > exceptional) taste. > > While I don't understand *exactly* the issues, I am not arguing from > the point of "the design is broken" but from a point of "a very useful > feature now became rather limited". It might be possible that there is no > current solution since mnemonics and dynamic shortcuts simply cannot be > made to harmonize. I just wanted to say that it's a useful feature, and > it *should* be supported. If it is dangerous to use or if it cannot be > supported in the 1.2 way, so be it... So simply turn on the preference and leave it enabled all the time. It's back to the 1.2 behavior, modulo the mnemonics clashing. Perhaps there should be a pref for disabling the mnemonics, but the defaults should stay as is. -Yosh ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1
On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 11:29:30AM +0200, Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you think of the 'dynamic shortcuts' preference as an alternative to > shortcut editor you will probably see it's not much of a workaround. You > activate it and are working in shortcut learning mode. You turn it off > once you're done with assigning shortcuts. Unfortunately, many people (like me) actually use them for dynamic shortcuts, and having to enable/disable it everytime you reassign keybindings makes the feature useless. Essentially the "dynamic" part of the feature got severly limited. Sure, "if" you think that way it's fine... but not everybody thinks in statically assigned keybindings, I often reassign keys dynamically in vi or use macros, the same is true for gimp. Of course, I am not such a power user that gimp should be specifically re-written for my (possibly exceptional) taste. While I don't understand *exactly* the issues, I am not arguing from the point of "the design is broken" but from a point of "a very useful feature now became rather limited". It might be possible that there is no current solution since mnemonics and dynamic shortcuts simply cannot be made to harmonize. I just wanted to say that it's a useful feature, and it *should* be supported. If it is dangerous to use or if it cannot be supported in the 1.2 way, so be it... -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | | ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Suggestions + Patch, Redo - Part 1
On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 18:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But why do menmonics and dynamic shortcuts clash at all? Either a key is > bound to a menmonic or it is bound to a dynamic shortcut, but never > both. And if I really want to reassign a key used currently by a > mnemonic, it should either work or not work, but assigning it to both > mnemonic and a shortcut doesn'T sound like a "solution" to me. The problem is that once you enter a submenu an item is selected. Mnemonics make it possible to access a particular item in the submenu with an underlined letter. But with dynamic shortcuts on, you can assign a shortcut to the active item. And it can be a single letter/key shortcut. It may be possible to have no items selected when entering a subdirectory, but I'd have to leave that discussion to gtk+ aware hackers. Also the parent menu item might be ready to accept the shortcut combo at this time, so maybe it doesn't solve the problem either. If you think of the 'dynamic shortcuts' preference as an alternative to shortcut editor you will probably see it's not much of a workaround. You activate it and are working in shortcut learning mode. You turn it off once you're done with assigning shortcuts. cheers -- Jakub Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
