Re: [Gimp-developer] dependencies for GIMP CVS version
Hi, Henry Roeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm new to GIMP develop and have some (beginners?) questions about the dependecies for the current GIMP cvs version GIMP did build at one time but it didn't started because it demands the freetype2 package for the freetype plugin All you need to do is to update freetype2 then. You shouldn't have to recompile all other libraries. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes
On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 06:42:10PM +0100, David Neary wrote: I have no objections as long as people are happy with this. I would be a little worried about some splashes not getting a fair whack because they were submitted late, but sure, why not. When do you think it would be fair to call a result? Well, if I understand you correctly, the core developers have to make the decision which splash screen will be in the next gimp release. Apart from that, if a well defined group of gimp contributors can pick their favorits on mukunds page, we have at least some sort of a result: http://www.mukund.org/temp/gimp/judge/scores.php You stated out, that people picked splash screens on earlier times, so I think it would be fair, if Mukund can reset the current choices and everyone votes again. If this all is to complicated from now on and you guys want a splash screen fast, I'm very fine with your solution Dave. I don't have to make the decision which splash screen will be the winner, so I can shut up if you already figured out how to judge :) Dunno what the others think about this ... Greetings, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes
Hi, Quoting Roman Joost [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 06:42:10PM +0100, David Neary wrote: I have no objections as long as people are happy with this. I would be a little worried about some splashes not getting a fair whack because they were submitted late, but sure, why not. When do you think it would be fair to call a result? Well, if I understand you correctly, the core developers have to make the decision which splash screen will be in the next gimp release. I disagree. It should be a user community decision primarily. Of course, the core developers belong to the user community. If this all is to complicated from now on and you guys want a splash screen fast, I'm very fine with your solution Dave. I don't have to make the decision which splash screen will be the winner, so I can shut up if you already figured out how to judge :) Dunno what the others think about this ... One of the advantages of the panel system is that a few people can be conscientious and look at all the entries, whereas a larger pool of people is more likely to pick their favourites froml the first 100 or 150 splashes, and ignore the last 300, which would be a shame, since there are some really nice ones down there. Another consideration is that a panel can ignore splashes that we can't ship for one reason or another (copyright material, other people's trademarks, etc) and can also use agreed guidelines (no photos, for example) whereas that's harder for a much larger collective. In either case, we need some kind of resolution on this today or we run into the other thing I was worried about, which is time. I suggest that - Mukund wipes the existing votes - We give people on the mailing lists until Thursday to vote - Please try to avoid getting mukund's page slashdotted - On Thursday evening, if the top choice is not invalid for some reason, we're done. If it is, we go onto second choice. Etc. Is there any way to close the contest page now and not have any more entries until we have chosen a winner? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary Lyon, France ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 02:32:59PM +0100, Dave Neary wrote: I have no objections as long as people are happy with this. I would be a little worried about some splashes not getting a fair whack because they were submitted late, but sure, why not. When do you think it would be fair to call a result? Well, if I understand you correctly, the core developers have to make the decision which splash screen will be in the next gimp release. I disagree. It should be a user community decision primarily. Of course, the core developers belong to the user community. Maybe a note should be put onto the voting page - like Remember that this splash screen will be shown to a lot of users, many of whon are not computer freaks or experts. Therefore, the splash screen should be worthy a respectable image manipulation app.. If this all is to complicated from now on and you guys want a splash screen fast, I'm very fine with your solution Dave. I don't have to make the decision which splash screen will be the winner, so I can shut up if you already figured out how to judge :) Dunno what the others think about this ... One of the advantages of the panel system is that a few people can be conscientious and look at all the entries, whereas a larger pool of people is more likely to pick their favourites froml the first 100 or 150 splashes, and Just randomize them - use a seed value based on the nickname so that the page looks the same every time. ignore the last 300, which would be a shame, since there are some really nice ones down there. Another consideration is that a panel can ignore splashes that we can't ship for one reason or another (copyright material, other people's trademarks, etc) and can also use agreed guidelines (no photos, for example) whereas that's harder for a much larger collective. My k.o. criteria: - just a photo - screenshot with OS-specifics (e.g. window decoration) - advocacy In either case, we need some kind of resolution on this today or we run into the other thing I was worried about, which is time. I suggest that - Mukund wipes the existing votes - We give people on the mailing lists until Thursday to vote - Please try to avoid getting mukund's page slashdotted Mirrors, anyone? Votes are easy to add... - On Thursday evening, if the top choice is not invalid for some reason, we're done. If it is, we go onto second choice. Etc. ACK. The voting pages should close automatically (and communicate this clearly). Bye, Tino. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes
Hi all, Quoting Roman Joost [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 06:42:10PM +0100, David Neary wrote: I have no objections as long as people are happy with this. I would be a little worried about some splashes not getting a fair whack because they were submitted late, but sure, why not. If this all is to complicated from now on and you guys want a splash screen fast, I'm very fine with your solution Dave. I don't have to make the decision which splash screen will be the winner, so I can shut up if you already figured out how to judge :) Dunno what the others think about this ... I have followed this thread during the day, and I am afraid I'm going to go back on what I said above - I think we have a very good panel set up (although I understand that some people might not like all of the people on it), and I think we should let them judge. Of course, the GIMP is a community project and lots of people have CVS access, but I think that the idea of a panel is the best way to go. So - Simon, Alan, Michael, Joao and Adam, please judge away, and whatever decision you come to will have my support, and that of a large number of people around here. To address one legitimate point which was raised, there are no artists on the panel. One of the judges has already proposed soliciting the ideas of our resident artists, and I think that is good enough to address that concern. Apologies for the huge inconvenience all of this rucus has caused. I really want to clear things up as quickly as possible, and let the judges get on with it. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary Lyon, France ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] multiple instances of splash winners
hi, i have been half following this fun splash stuff. i fully admit to looking at the splash entries more than reading of the exciting plans here. i have also been working on some avi's of the splash entries. there were so many of them that now it has been divided into a movie for each day of submissions. i needed a solution for what happens when the panel picks one and the people pick another and Sven and mitch pick yet another one and how to handle this in these movies (that should be some what like catalogs to an art show). the solution for this multipile winner problem makes more more interesting movies/catalogs. if the panel will pick a favorite 10 and the people pick a favorite 10 and mitch and Sven pick a favorite 10 it will make a nice little end movie of 30 good splashes. 662 splash entries!! i wonder how many were holding onto splash waiting to be that special one? this was a lot of fun. i will let you know when the movies of the days entries are finished. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] multiple instances of splash winners
Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i have also been working on some avi's of the splash entries. there were so many of them that now it has been divided into a movie for each day of submissions. Given your permission, we will show off these movies at the GIMP booth at 21C3. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: - useable as a splash It needs to have a blank or very low-contrast area at the bottom that is large enough to hold the progress texts we show at startup. Large enough even for a slightly larger font. Unfortunately not all submissions meet these criteria. There are some very nice ones that can't be used because they violate these obvious rules :( Because there are some very _very_ nice ones that don't have the area at the bottom, maybe this shouldn't be a reason to reject them, if it is trivial to add such an area. I think the purpose is to have a great splash for gimp 2.2 and we shouldn't care about little details that can be fixed. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Scissors tool
Hi! I should've done this __very__ earlier on the dev. cycle. But the fact is that I think developers should seriopusly consider the visibility of the scissors tool on the tool box. I mean - it is a good hack, it is there for historical reasons, and the graphic algorithyms behind it are nice for paper presentations and etc... But nowadays, who seriously uses it? The fact is that it doesn't deliver the functionality it should, and is simply awkard. The new Vectors interface from GIMP 2.0 allows one to do with vectors what the Scissors tool should be doing, only it is easier to use, and to figure out how to use. That said, I raise the question: Should the scissors tool be visible by default in the toolbox? ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes
William Skaggs wrote: Since painting a solid or nearly solid rectangle on the bottom is quite an easy operation, a splash candidate would not necessarily need to be rejected on this basis. I feel that this is worth mentioning because several of the most popular candidates have this problem. If the image authors have the XCF or the splash, it would be rather easy to add this - and rearrange other items with their consent (some splashes have text there, even). Michael -- The GIMP http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool
Joao wrote: That said, I raise the question: Should the scissors tool be visible by default in the toolbox? Well, the real problem with it is that the edge-hugging algorithm sucks. It would be a very useful tool if it actually worked. So I suppose my attitude is: a) It's too late in the 2.2 development cycle to make such a major change. b) In the next cycle, it would be very nice if somebody could improve the tool's algorithm. I looked at the code not too long ago, and my impression was that it reads like it was written by somebody who started with a complex and incomprehensible algorithm and then added kludges onto it in an attempt to get it to work. The best approach might be to clear it out and start fresh. It shouldn't be horribly difficult, since the problem of connecting two points with a curve that tries to hug edges is not really all that hard. (Finding a solution quickly when the points are far apart might be challenging, though.) Best, -- Bill __ __ __ __ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at primate.ucdavis.edu ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] multiple instances of splash winners
On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 07:20:59PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i have also been working on some avi's of the splash entries. there were so many of them that now it has been divided into a movie for each day of submissions. Given your permission, we will show off these movies at the GIMP booth at 21C3. oh, absolutely :) i might need to remake them with some of the names more properly printed, however. the collection actually does so much more to show off what gimp can do than any one single image. what fun this all has been :) carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes
Hi, Steve Stavropoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because there are some very _very_ nice ones that don't have the area at the bottom, maybe this shouldn't be a reason to reject them, if it is trivial to add such an area. I think the purpose is to have a great splash for gimp 2.2 and we shouldn't care about little details that can be fixed. Well, we told people about this beforehand and it was stated clearly in the submission rules. Since there are enough very, very nice ones that followed the rules, I think it is perfectly fine to reject those that didn't. But this is completely up to the judges. I was only pointing out some facts that the judges should take into consideration when doing their decisions. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool
Hi, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I should've done this __very__ earlier on the dev. cycle. But the fact is that I think developers should seriopusly consider the visibility of the scissors tool on the tool box. I mean - it is a good hack, it is there for historical reasons, and the graphic algorithyms behind it are nice for paper presentations and etc... But nowadays, who seriously uses it? The fact is that it doesn't deliver the functionality it should, and is simply awkard. The new Vectors interface from GIMP 2.0 allows one to do with vectors what the Scissors tool should be doing, only it is easier to use, and to figure out how to use. I used it earlier today and it fit my needs. I don't see why we should remove it only because you don't like it. Even if we came to the conclusion that it would be better to hide it, we would definitely not do this at this point of the development cycle (being in UI freeze for several weeks). Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes
Steve Stavropoulos wrote: On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: - useable as a splash It needs to have a blank or very low-contrast area at the bottom that is large enough to hold the progress texts we show at startup. Large enough even for a slightly larger font. Unfortunately not all submissions meet these criteria. There are some very nice ones that can't be used because they violate these obvious rules :( Because there are some very _very_ nice ones that don't have the area at the bottom, maybe this shouldn't be a reason to reject them, if it is trivial to add such an area. I think the purpose is to have a great splash for gimp 2.2 and we shouldn't care about little details that can be fixed. I agree that it is trivial to add an opaque region to the bottom of an otherwise excellent image. I for one did not understand that stipulation, and only realized it later (after I submitted) when I actually watched the splash image on startup. My Debian system loads so fast, you barely get to see the splash image ;-) The rules said something about text getting squished, but I didn't know whether that was for text in some surrounding area, or what. I thought the template provided had a border at the bottom to balance the border at the top. Anyway, I entered for the fun of it, and don't think my image is seriously good enough to win. It would take me about 60 seconds to add the layer... I just didn't realize that it was meant for text display. I'm just throwing in my comment so that if the panel finds an otherwise agreeable candidate, they should consider adding such an opaque layer. Thanks, Greg ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes
I see that two entries have 3 votes so far on the www.mokund.org site: One with grass and the a triple self protrait mock up. Are there any trademark problems with the mock up of Rockwell's Triple Self Portrait? (I'd strongly suggest favoring originality over adaptation, anyway. The same would apply to Escher's Hand with reflecting Shere, which I also think looks very nice but would be eliminated for the same reason.) _-T Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool
Hi, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: But nowadays, who seriously uses it? I use it all the time to get a first rough draft when cutting out shapes. It's miles quicker than using bezier, and since selections are just masks, I convert the selection to a mask and fine-tune it afterwards. I have found that for me (low-end power user if such a thing exists) this is the way I get decent results quickest. That said, I raise the question: Should the scissors tool be visible by default in the toolbox? I think it is a more useful tool to beginners (and thus the target audience of defaults) than the path tool. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
