Re: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool

2004-12-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I introduce about 50 beginning students each year
to the GIMP, and in my experience, this tool seems
to be one of the best piquant tools for the students
to use.  If anyting, I'd make it easier to undo the 
last point added and make it easier to close the 
curve when done, but please don't remove the tool from
its default place in the toolbox.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes

2004-12-07 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Greg Rundlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I agree that it is trivial to add an opaque region to the bottom of
 an otherwise excellent image.

Sure. But simply adding some opaque region will ruin any otherwise
excellent image. The point here is that the splash image should have
been designed with the text at the bottom in mind. There are some
submissions that have solved this very nicely. A lot better than just
using the opaque area from the template.


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool

2004-12-07 Thread Daniel Egger
On 06.12.2004, at 19:44, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote:
But nowadays, who seriously uses it?
I do. It's not very useful to mask an object in a low
contrast environment but it works perfectly well for
instance to mask an digitally photographed object against
a somewhat distant background to only modify the
background some more (reduce color intensity, blur, etc.)
to strengthen the effect of the photo.
Servus,
  Daniel


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes

2004-12-07 Thread Tomas Mraz
And what about the About image? Given that there are so many splash
contest entries couldn't be some one of them used as background for
About?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool

2004-12-07 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 08:38 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I introduce about 50 beginning students each year
 to the GIMP, and in my experience, this tool seems
 to be one of the best piquant tools for the students
 to use.
I second that.

 If anyting, I'd make it easier to undo the 
 last point added and make it easier to close the 
 curve when done
+1

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Judging panel for splashes

2004-12-07 Thread David Neary
Tomas Mraz wrote:
 And what about the About image? Given that there are so many splash
 contest entries couldn't be some one of them used as background for
 About?

Oooh - we have a troublemaker.

Dave.

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[Gimp-developer] contests, judges, votes and gimp-gap

2004-12-07 Thread Carol Spears
hi,

the splash contest was so cool!  i started to make movies out of the
images using gap and some scripts that yosh wrote.  these movies can be
found at:
http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/2.2/contest/index.html#movies

day one is the largest and includes the splashes that were entered on
the wiki.  another word about these movies, something is happeneing
during the encoding that is mangling the first few images in each movie.
so please do not consider these images the final product.

they might however come in handy to use to look at the splash entries
before you go to:
http://www.mukund.org/temp/gimp/judge/ to vote for your 10 favorite
splash images.

i would like to use this peoples choice information to make a movie of
the winners.  i think it would be a great movie to have 10 peoples
choice winners, 10 from the panel and 10 picks from the people who have
been picking them all along -- Sven, mitch and the usual suspects on
#gimp.

there sure are some beautiful and interesting images that were entered
into that contest.  thanks everyone!

carol

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool

2004-12-07 Thread David Neary
Hi,

Tomas Mraz wrote:
  If anyting, I'd make it easier to undo the 
  last point added and make it easier to close the 
  curve when done
 +1

And that annoying bug where you can't have anchor points within 8
pixels of the left or top edges (and possible the other edge too). 

I am sure I've seen it in CVS, but can't find it right now. Am I
imagining things?

A hint for closing the curve - you can zoom in and out with + and 
- while editing a curve, which is handy for getting those clicks
right if there are a number of points (or if you miss the first
time). Also very handy for adding points or dragging anchors when
the curve is closed.

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool

2004-12-07 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
/me shame on, and goes learn how to properly use it.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] contests, judges, votes and gimp-gap

2004-12-07 Thread Carol Spears
On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 12:53:29PM +0100, Michael Schumacher wrote:
  hi,
  
  the splash contest was so cool!  i started to make movies out of the
  images using gap and some scripts that yosh wrote.  these movies can be
  found at:
  http://carol.gimp.org/gimp/2.2/contest/index.html#movies
  
  day one is the largest and includes the splashes that were entered on
  the wiki.  another word about these movies, something is happeneing
  during the encoding that is mangling the first few images in each movie.
  so please do not consider these images the final product.
 
 They don't work at all with Winamp 5.0.7 or Windows Media Player 10.
 
this is interesting.  i am being questioned as to why we are using a
windows format for this on another mail list.

carol

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Multiple Layers and curves?

2004-12-07 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
On Tuesday 07 December 2004 19:52, Joseph Heled wrote:
 When opening the curves tool, it shows the current layer.
 Then switching to another layer, the curve tool remains unchanged.
 Now opening curves for the second layer, the first tool disappears.

 So, How can I view/adjust curves for two layers simultaneously?
You cannot.
That is simply it.

If you have a good motive to need this, you better open upa  feature 
request on bugzilla.gnome.org and describe your uses.

Meanwhile, the workaround for this is running 2 simultaneous GIMPs, 
and editing one of your layers as a separate image on other instance 
of the GIMP.



 Thanks, Joseph

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RE: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool

2004-12-07 Thread Austin Donnelly
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 Sent: 06 December 2004 19:05
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
 Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Scissors tool
 
[...]
 
 I looked at the code not too long ago, and my impression was that
 it reads like it was written by somebody who started with a
 complex and incomprehensible algorithm and then added kludges
 onto it in an attempt to get it to work.  The best approach might
 be to clear it out and start fresh.  It shouldn't be horribly
 difficult, since the problem of connecting two points with a
 curve that tries to hug edges is not really all that hard.
 (Finding a solution quickly when the points are far apart
 might be challenging, though.)

I think I was probably the last person to do any major work on the scissors
tool, and that was in 1999 to port it to the (then new) tile-based world.

The code when I took it on was a software Vietnam; a complete mess.  I had
to read the SIGGRAPH paper it was attempting to implement before I could fix
it, and believe me it left my hands much cleaner than I got it!

There are two areas where it could do with improvement:
  - it doesn't handle tile-boundaries (it treats them as edges)
  - the point editing interface sucks; I merely made the existing one work
but it might be interesting to see if it could use the same code from the
Path tool (that was always the plan)

Austin


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Multiple Layers and curves?

2004-12-07 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Meanwhile, the workaround for this is running 2 simultaneous GIMPs, 
 and editing one of your layers as a separate image on other instance 
 of the GIMP.

Joao, I think you completely misunderstood the question.


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Multiple Layers and curves?

2004-12-07 Thread Joseph Heled

Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Meanwhile, the workaround for this is running 2 simultaneous GIMPs, 
and editing one of your layers as a separate image on other instance 
of the GIMP.

Joao, I think you completely misunderstood the question.
Sven
I think he understood, but the suggested solution will not do, because the two 
layers are interacting via a layer mode, and I would like to view the effect 
interactively.

-Joseph
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