Re: [Gimp-developer] Dither patch...
Hi, Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been sitting on a backend patch for probably most of the year, that greatly improves the quality of positional/fixed dither -- against GIMP 2.0.x. I was hoping to find time to get a GIMP 2.1.x build working and forward-port the patch, but that didn't transpire and it's likely too late for 2.2 now... I will attempt to file the 2.0.x patch in Bugzilla some time soon and if anyone cares they can forward-port it (hopefully the dithering back-end didn't suffer many changes during 2.1.x). Please do file your bug report as soon as possible. We might even still sneak it into 2.2 if you are confident that your changes don't introduce any major bugs. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable? [was [Bug 160890] Change Gimp name (fwd)]
Alan Horkan wrote: Some people have difficulty dealing with the connotations of the term The GIMP. I wont go into details again about why some people have issues with the name, some even finding it offensive. I still find it baffling that people would get upset about something so lighthearted and harmless, but the idea of making the name configurable in the interests of a quiet life vaguely appeals if it can be done non-intrusively. Has anyone thought of (ab)using the i18n system for this? If all occurances of 'GIMP' can be tagged, someone can easily derive a en_US.TriviallyOffended translation from en_US... --Adam -- Adam D. Moss . ,,^^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.foxbox.org/ co:3 ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable? [was [Bug 160890] Change Gimp name (fwd)]
Hi Alan, I don't think it is a good idea to change the project name. So you kind of answered to yourself... It is a good sign that the gimp has improved so much that people are only left with the name to complain about :) I don't complain about the name. I think it would be a fair compromise to accept patches that make it easier for those who would like to configure the name. That a non-sense claim. I think that people that get offended by a name have deeper problems. And they should worry first about them instead of changing everybody's minds to their way of thinking. I answer to you, because i work on a window manager with a name that could be considered offensive by spanish-speakers with similar ideas to the users who claim that gimp should change its name. But we didn't intend to offense anyone when we choosed the name, it was just a joke. People who complained about the name understood this when we explained it to them. If a project as big as Mozilla Firefox allows it name to be changed, why would it be an issue for the gimp? There was another project called Firebird, so there was a good reason to change it. Why require people to fork or maintain their own patchsets for the sake of a little extra configurability. I wouldn't call it configurability. Regards, -- David Gómez Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dither patch...
Ah, it's worse than I remembered, since the patch is actually against GIMP 1.2! But I'm compiling up GIMP 2.0.x now and so hope to have time to port this to 2.0 today, and from there hopefully it's only a short hop to 2.1.x (but I can't test that). --Adam ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] scheduling name change to boondoggle
hi, lets schedule the changing of the name TheGIMP to Boondoggle right after it is announced that you can change the name of photoshop to something less hyped and media driven also. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable?
Hi, Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have to ask why reject such patches? Because IMO the name is important. If we allow the name to be changed easily, our users will not any longer know what software they are using. Contributors will be lost because they will look for the Foo project instead of the GIMP project. It would also make it way too easy for anyone who wants to make some quick money out of The GIMP. We must not allow people to change the name by means of a simple configure option and let them benefit from our hard work. You are in the lead developer in charge and can do anything you want and I certainly wouldn't expect you to make the changes but I'd feel a lot better if you gave a good reason to reject patches that would make it easier to get more people to use Free Software? I seriously doubt that the name is effectively keeping GIMP from being used. And I am all happy to ignore the very few people who are so narrow-minded as to having a problem with the name. If a project as big as Mozilla Firefox allows it name to be changed, why would it be an issue for the gimp? For Firefox having the name configurable is part of the business plan. I can't find any such note in the GIMP's business plan. Heck, I can't even find the plan. Why require people to fork or maintain their own patchsets for the sake of a little extra configurability. So that it becomes harder for them to do this. And if they really think it's worth all the hassle, well, then they can do it. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable? [was [Bug 160890] Change Gimp name (fwd)]
i have a question for you; you don't need to answer it to anyone but yourself. what does the word gimp mean to you and where ever could you have come up with this meaning? when i hear the word gimp, i get a chuckle from a media image that some pack of film geniuses inbedded into our collective language lately. also, i did not see this movie when it first came out because there was too much hype. had it not been for the hype, this movie would have only been seen by a handful of similar film geeks (not gimp -- geek) and you might never had associated that word with that image. i was a girl scout when i was a kid. this means a lot of different things, one of the things that was necessary to do when you were affiliated with this organization when i was growing up was you were required to tie this sort of knot: http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/sierratses/images/lanyard.jpg with this sort of cord: http://www.boondoggleman.com/what_is_it.htm so i am going to suggest that the only name we consider to change TheGIMP to is Boondoggle. children know what they can tell their grandparents better than their parents, i think. adults get plagued with interesting media images much more than children do, especially when both see the same image. to say that TheGIMP is an inappropriate name is to bring human beings all down to this level that is unnecessary. i am becoming confusing again. i am sorry. let me try to sum it up this way: what gives you the right to inflict your perversions on a group of developers like that? if you have a problem with the name, perhaps you should fix yourself. that was a well done movie, over hyped but well done and extremely funny. do you *know* anyone like any character in it? what i would like for you to do is to get some gimp, tie up a lanyard and think about all of this. what is it that you think of when you read the characters TheGIMP? leave bugzilla for software problems. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dither patch...
Adam D. Moss wrote: Ah, it's worse than I remembered, since the patch is actually against GIMP 1.2! But I'm compiling up GIMP 2.0.x now and so hope to have time to port this to 2.0 today, and from there hopefully it's only a short hop to 2.1.x (but I can't test that). Why can't you test 2.1 (or 2.2pre, rather)? On a decent distro, getting all of the dependencies of 2.0 should get you ready for building 2.1/2pre without any additional work. Michael -- The GIMP http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] multiple instances of splash winners
Hi, Joseph Heled [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note/Disclaimer: I am *not* suggesting adding this feature into gimp. And please don't tell me I am doing something wrong or stupid or degrading gimp in any way or form. I like many of the splash screens submitted, so I select a random one at startup. If you wish to do the same, - create a gimp-splash subdirectory under ~/.gimp-2.2 - place all your favorites there - Apply the included patch (patch -p1 rand-splash.diff) - recompile gimp You don't need to apply any patch since that feature is already there. The directory is called ~/.gimp-2.2/splashes though. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Re: Why not allow the name to be configurable? [was [Bug 160890] Change Gimp name (fwd)]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2004-12-12 at 1719.26 +0100): If a project as big as Mozilla Firefox allows it name to be changed, why would it be an issue for the gimp? There was another project called Firebird, so there was a good reason to change it. I think Firefox option was from one point of view, a joke, and from another, a way to cover their ass, just in case they had to do it again (Phoenix, Firebird, Firefox... what next? ;] ). GSR ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dither patch...
Michael Schumacher wrote: Why can't you test 2.1 (or 2.2pre, rather)? I thought GIMP 2.2 required GTK = 2.4. On a decent distro I'm not on a decent distro. :) --Adam -- Adam D. Moss . ,,^^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.foxbox.org/ co:3 ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] A beginning GIMP Developer?
He all GIMP developers out there, I'm new to this list and therefore lets introduce myself first. As a Software developer I'm working for about 2 years now with Java/C/C++ and other languages like XML/XSLT. My expirence with C/C++ is about medium and I know a little about Linux/UNIX programming but have more expirence with Win32 platforms.My expirence with GTK+ and GIMP code is zero. At this time I'm working(Using) now about 2 weeks with The GIMP for graphical stuff (as a hoby) and I'm very excited about all that GIMP offers! Because I'm a developer I like to help fixing bugs or add some new features. A already debuged some of the code but because of my lack of expirence with GTK+ and all I like to begin easy :-). In short: Can I help with bug fixing? If so should I start with bug fixing (which bugs) and how and to who can I deliver the patches? Greetings, Henry Roeland -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable?
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:05:46 +0100 Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have to ask why reject such patches? Because IMO the name is important. If we allow the name to be changed easily, our users will not any longer know what software they are using. Contributors will be lost because they will look for the Foo project instead of the GIMP project. It would also make it way too easy for anyone who wants to make some quick money out of The GIMP. We must not allow people to change the name by means of a simple configure option and let them benefit from our hard work. Changing the source code and documentation is the easiest part of it. The hard part is changing the web site, references all over the net, etc. I speak here from ongoing experience -- the Gimp-Print project is in the process of renaming to Gutenprint. Changing the source took Roger Leigh perhaps a week or so, but the web site, hosting, etc. are still moving along very slowly, and we have a lot of work to do. This is probably the primary reason that 5.0 wasn't released perhaps a month ago. If a project as big as Mozilla Firefox allows it name to be changed, why would it be an issue for the gimp? For Firefox having the name configurable is part of the business plan. I can't find any such note in the GIMP's business plan. Heck, I can't even find the plan. Firefox had a little legal problem on their hands, and didn't have much choice. -- Robert Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project lead for Gimp Print --http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works. --Eric Crampton ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dither patch...
Hi, Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Submitted as bug 161113. I've given it the usual selection of tests and I'm confident that it doesn't introduce any major bugs... It's in CVS now. I'll see if I can move my tree to 2.2pre tonight, though I suspect that the patch in that bug should apply to 2.2 pretty cleanly, since it's all 'deep code' stuff and would probably only collide with any cosmetic code-formatting changes. We refrainded from doing any cosmetic code-formatting changes to that part of the GIMP code. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[semi-OT] Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable?
The word itself is inappropriate for software if you're trying to feed it to the unwashed masses. I said this when GIMP was chosen as a name back when it moved from Motif to GTK A correction... GIMP was called GIMP long before the move from Motif to GTK. The first public release (0.53 IIRC) was called GIMP. It's always been GIMP. The only naming change that happened during the time of which you speak is that the 'G' started to stand for 'GNU' instead of 'General'. --Adam -- Adam D. Moss . ,,^^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.foxbox.org/ co:3 ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable?
Hi, Michael J. Hammel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 11:05, Sven Neumann wrote: I seriously doubt that the name is effectively keeping GIMP from being used. And I am all happy to ignore the very few people who are so narrow-minded as to having a problem with the name. While I agree with most of what you've said in response to this thread, Sven, I take a bit of exception with this. Being one of the few open minded liberals stuck in Texas, I tend to be a little sensitive to being called narrow minded. My apologies. I shouldn't have generalized here. As you pointed out there's a difference between having a problem with the name and refusing to accept the software because of the name and despite better knowledge. So what I suggest we do is to keep the name, but perhaps we can indeed do something about the way it is perceived. It could help to use the full name more. Not saying that we should avoid using the acronym but perhaps it would be good if we could try to mention the full name in release announcements and such at least once. If someone wants to review the README, NEWS. INSTALL files as well as the man-pages for this, that would be appreciated. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] multiple instances of splash winners
Note/Disclaimer: I am *not* suggesting adding this feature into gimp. And
please don't tell me I am doing something wrong or stupid or degrading gimp in
any way or form.
I like many of the splash screens submitted, so I select a random one at
startup. If you wish to do the same,
- create a gimp-splash subdirectory under ~/.gimp-2.2
- place all your favorites there
- Apply the included patch (patch -p1 rand-splash.diff)
- recompile gimp
-Joseph
*** gimp-2.2-pre2/app/gui/splash.c2004-12-13 08:46:25.0
+1300
--- gimp-2.2-pre2s/app/gui/splash.c 2004-12-13 08:46:25.0 +1300
***
*** 74,92
g_return_if_fail (splash == NULL);
! filename = gimp_personal_rc_file (gimp-splash.png);
! pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (filename, NULL);
! g_free (filename);
!
! if (! pixbuf)
! {
! filename = g_build_filename (gimp_data_directory (),
!images, gimp-splash.png,
!NULL);
pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (filename, NULL);
! g_free (filename);
}
if (! pixbuf)
return;
--- 74,119
g_return_if_fail (splash == NULL);
! {
! int nFiles = 0;
! GError* err;
! const char* folder = gimp_personal_rc_file(gimp-splash);
! GDir* d = g_dir_open(folder, 0, err);
!
! filename = 0;
! if( d ) {
! srandom(time(NULL));
! G_CONST_RETURN gchar* name;
! while( (name = g_dir_read_name(d)) ) {
! if( (random() % (nFiles+1)) == 0 ) {
! filename = g_build_filename(folder, name, NULL);
! }
! ++nFiles;
! }
! g_dir_close(d);
! }
!
! if( filename ) {
pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (filename, NULL);
! g_free(filename);
}
+ }
+ if (!pixbuf ) {
+ filename = gimp_personal_rc_file (gimp-splash.png);
+ pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (filename, NULL);
+ g_free (filename);
+
+ if (! pixbuf)
+ {
+ filename = g_build_filename (gimp_data_directory (),
+images, gimp-splash.png,
+NULL);
+ pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (filename, NULL);
+ g_free (filename);
+ }
+ }
+
if (! pixbuf)
return;
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable?
Would it be too much of a compromise to just drop the P at the end? GNU Image Manipulator instead of GNU Image Manipulation Program ? Of course I would suggest planning and waiting until a major version change to change it. _-T Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dither patch...
Sven Neumann wrote: Please do file your bug report as soon as possible. We might even still sneak it into 2.2 if you are confident that your changes don't introduce any major bugs. Submitted as bug 161113. I've given it the usual selection of tests and I'm confident that it doesn't introduce any major bugs... I'll see if I can move my tree to 2.2pre tonight, though I suspect that the patch in that bug should apply to 2.2 pretty cleanly, since it's all 'deep code' stuff and would probably only collide with any cosmetic code-formatting changes. --Adam -- Adam D. Moss . ,,^^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.foxbox.org/ co:3 ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] A beginning GIMP Developer?
Hi, Henry Roeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He all GIMP developers out there, I'm new to this list and therefore lets introduce myself first. As a Software developer I'm working for about 2 years now with Java/C/C++ and other languages like XML/XSLT. My expirence with C/C++ is about medium and I know a little about Linux/UNIX programming but have more expirence with Win32 platforms.My expirence with GTK+ and GIMP code is zero. At this time I'm working(Using) now about 2 weeks with The GIMP for graphical stuff (as a hoby) and I'm very excited about all that GIMP offers! Because I'm a developer I like to help fixing bugs or add some new features. A already debuged some of the code but because of my lack of expirence with GTK+ and all I like to begin easy :-). In short: Can I help with bug fixing? If so should I start with bug fixing (which bugs) and how and to who can I deliver the patches? Most of this is answered in the Developer FAQ (http://developer.gimp.org/faq.html) but I will happily answer your questions anyway. A good way to get start is to make yourself familiar with Bugzilla. You can use the predefined queries at http://developer.gimp.org/bugs.html as a start. Some bugs have the easy-fix keyword set. Those might be a good start. But we have only just started to use that keyword, so if a bug doesn't have it set, doesn't necessarily mean that it is very complex. We will be releasing 2.2.0 real soon now and will enter a new development cycle as soon as this has happened (or perhaps wait until 2.2.1 is done). That's a good time to start working on new features. Just let us know what you are working on and, most importantly, don't be afraid to ask. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Why not allow the name to be configurable?
On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 11:05, Sven Neumann wrote: I seriously doubt that the name is effectively keeping GIMP from being used. And I am all happy to ignore the very few people who are so narrow-minded as to having a problem with the name. While I agree with most of what you've said in response to this thread, Sven, I take a bit of exception with this. Being one of the few open minded liberals stuck in Texas, I tend to be a little sensitive to being called narrow minded. The GIMP *is* a silly name and I've always had a problem with it. In the US (perhaps elsewhere) gimp implies hobbled or broken: His gimp leg kept him from running the race or Her gimp hand prevented her from reaching the jar on the top shelf. See this definition: http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn?stage=1word=gimp It doesn't have to imply a guy strapped in leather just because of a movie. The word itself is inappropriate for software if you're trying to feed it to the unwashed masses. I said this when GIMP was chosen as a name back when it moved from Motif to GTK (though I'd be hard pressed to find the mailing list entry that proves this). But no one listened, or at least they didn't agree, then. And that's okay. It really isn't that big a deal. It probably isn't keeping that many people from using it. But it is a silly name. And I have wished for years that it would be changed to something more inviting. That said, I don't see any reason to change it. It would be like asking Moon Unit Zappa to change her name. Its a silly name. But it's hers. And she's apparently satisfied to keep it. So let it be. Not to mention (though I see Robert Krawitz just did) that there are very practical reasons not to change it - it would be an awful lot of work for very little gain. BTW, I couldn't even find the bug in question. Maybe someone already closed it. -- Michael J. HammelIf we could just get everyone to close their eyes The Graphics Museand visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how [EMAIL PROTECTED] serene and quiet it would be until the looting http://www.ximba.org started. Deep Thoughts, Jack Handey ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] A beginning GIMP Developer?
Hi and welcome! There are people in better position to answer you on this! But I am just quite happy to see a mail like this - I myself just go around proposing weird features, and eventually finding and fixing a minor bug. Lots of fun, either way. So...bugzilla is the way to deliver bug corrections. You should better be using GIMP from CVS, read the 'Hacking' file in there for building tips - if you aren't already. Them, just check the bugs in bugzilla, erradicate them, taking care to maintain the coding style (it is GNU style, I've read somewhere). After it works, make a patch by running diff with -u3 option, and attach that patch to the bug report. Now, keep online to hear from Sven, Bolsh, Alan, Carol and others... Oh, also, underliying GTK and the GIMP object system is Glib and Gobject - you should learn about these. There is a small app called devhelp which allows for interactive browsing of the API. Regards, js -- On Sunday 12 December 2004 19:52, Henry Roeland wrote: He all GIMP developers out there, I'm new to this list and therefore lets introduce myself first. As a Software developer I'm working for about 2 years now with Java/C/C++ and other languages like XML/XSLT. My expirence with C/C++ is about medium and I know a little about Linux/UNIX programming but have more expirence with Win32 platforms.My expirence with GTK+ and GIMP code is zero. At this time I'm working(Using) now about 2 weeks with The GIMP for graphical stuff (as a hoby) and I'm very excited about all that GIMP offers! Because I'm a developer I like to help fixing bugs or add some new features. A already debuged some of the code but because of my lack of expirence with GTK+ and all I like to begin easy :-). In short: Can I help with bug fixing? If so should I start with bug fixing (which bugs) and how and to who can I deliver the patches? Greetings, Henry Roeland ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
