Re: [Gimp-developer] Macro recorder?
On Thursday 19 May 2005 03:51, Jan Olof wrote: Hello! I wonder if the macro recorder will be implemented soon in Gimp? I guess that it would be good if it generates Scheme script code. It would be very great if there was possible to use a macro on every picture in the GAP image range. Could I contribute in some way? I'm a college educated software engineer. So... I think this subject could raise back on this list. The last time it was discussed, we had some dependencies on the Undo System for this to be implemented the Right Way (tm). How is that doing today? JS -- // Best Regards Jan-Olof Jansson ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP merchandising
Seems okay with me, except that I think the advertising part should be strengthened a bit: such a prominent presence calls for a fixed payment in addition to a cut (or a click-through payment if that can be implemented). I am assuming that it would show up as a text link: if not, it needs to be made clear that the ad must be small and unobtrusive, e.g., a text link together with a two-color logo in GIMP's foreground and background colors. -- Bill __ __ __ __ Sent via the CNPRC Email system at primate.ucdavis.edu ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: Gimp User Manual 0.8 released
Hi, the GIMP developers are proud to announce the new version of the GIMP User Manual GIMP (0.8). Please keep in mind that this release is intended for developers and interested users for reading. The release can be downloaded from: ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help/testing/ For more information about our project and helping us, you can visit our project page at: http://docs.gimp.org The manual includes a lot of improvemnts by our docwriters and contributors: * spelling fixes for almost every translation * Beginning of Italian and Dutch translation * stylesheet fixes: CSS, HTML and DB2LaTeX driver files * XML validity fixes for french and swedish * Makefile overhaul * a new Hacking styleguide contributions from Sven Neumann, Cai Quian, Daniel Egger, Julien Hardelin, Jakub Friedl, Robert van Drunen, Karine Delvare, David Klementa, Xceals, Axel Wernicke, Roman Joost, Øyvind Kolås Thanks and Happy GIMPing! -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp24wIRUxnli.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP merchandising
Hi, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For their part, they would like to continue having their logo on the arm (which I'm OK with) The logo on the arm is definitely what keeps me (and probably others) from buying this stuff. I wouldn't dare to leave home wearing one of these shirts. It also gives me a very bad feeling about this merchandising arrangement. and they would like to be our official merchandiser - that is, have a place in the sidebar on every page, and a place of prominence on the front page. I don't think a prominent place on the front page is appropriate. Integrating it into the sidebar might be. That's why I'm writing here. Is this arrangement OK with people? What exactly does this arrangement involve? We can hardly decide anything w/o knowing what we are talking about. Does it mean that sourcewear will be the only official merchandiser? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Custom ColorDisplay question
Hi, I am working on a ColorDisplay module and need to know the image-space position of the tile I am being asked to convert in my _convert function. Is there anyway to know this? Basically, my ColorDisplay needs to have a copy of the whole image in order to do the conversion. Or, another way to get around my problem would be to know the image ID of the image currently being refreshed. ...is that possible? tx, Dominic ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP merchandising
Hi, I've thought more about the whole thing and I would like to propose the following solution: We add a page about GIMP merchandising to www.gimp.org. This page (GIMP Stuff ?) gets linked from the sidebar and from the Donations page and it is mentioned on the front page at the time it is added (and perhaps every once in a while). On that page we give links to all places where people can obtain GIMP stuff but only if the GIMP project also gets a fair share of the bargain. This is probably less than what Federico from sourcewear wants us to do but I don't see why we should start to do agreements with anyone. Let alone the fact that there's no legal entity who could make such an agreement. If at all it would be Tigert as the author of the Wilber drawing who could claim rights on it. For the moment, sourcewear will probably be the only GIMP merchandiser linked from the GIMP stuff page, but I hope that more nice GIMP things will be available in the future. If that can help the GIMP project in any way, that's a nice side-effect. If you think however that we need to push GIMP merchandising further by having an official GIMP merchandising shop, then we should probably first have a discussion on what we want to spend the raised money on. At the moment we have more money available than we ever had and no idea whatsoever what it should be used for. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP merchandising
Hi Dave. First of all - because you seem to be concerned about that - I'll readily admit, that Federicos Company is a good one. Otherwise we would not even need to discuss this. Second: My concerns are certainly influenced by the fact, that two of my closest friends run a company that also does free software merchandising and yes, I am involved in most of the designs. Dave Neary ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Simon Budig a écrit : And what is involved with being the official merchandiser? How would we handle other companies trying to sell Gimp merchandise and want similiar exposure? Do we need an official merchandiser? Essentially, this is what it comes down to (de we need an official merchandiser?). Or more to the point, do we want a GIMP store. Clearly we don't *need* anything. Currently, there is next to no GIMP stuff, and what little there is is not profiting the GIMP project at all. At least the second part is not exactly true. The Gimp Pin at http://www.kernelconcepts.de/products/fun/pins.shtml has been available for ages and we have gotten a huge load of pins. It actually was the first pin they did (and they grossly overestimated the demand), cvs:gimp/docs/Wilber.svg would not exist without this pin. At best it created a red zero for them. They still have lots available and they don't sell. Do I need to mention that the quality is great (silk-screened with 5 colors) and the price is very reasonable? So now we are deciding to give an exclusive link to sourcewear on every page and rid us of a possibility to link to other great Gimp products. I'll admit that after your first mail I had the horror vision of a sourcewear-logo in the sidebar and I am happy to hear that this is not the case. However, I don't think it is OK to ignore the fact that Federicos company is not the only good company out there. Of course you probably did not know about Kernelconcepts. They never approached the Gimp-Mailinglists for inclusion on gimp.org, I was very reluctant when they asked me about it ages ago and I did never harp on the fact that the pins have been made by them, when I handed the Pins out freely whenever I meet Gimp-people. Maybe they should have done, maybe I should have done. I do now, because I think they deserve to be listed in a potential list of good gimp-merchandising makers. If the project as a whole decides that we don't want to have a relationship like this with a merchandiser, then fine. We won't, and we will continue not to have GIMP stuff for sale which will generate money to pay for stuff. Right now, we're not paying for mych stuff as it is, in spite of my recent mails on our financial situation. But as I also said, the relationship in its current state is a non-starter. Federico is selling almost no GIMP t-shirts, and until there is some link bringing GIMP fans to sourcewear, that's not going to change. Which means we continue to sit on our high horse, and people who want to buy t-shirts don't know where to go to find them. How many queries for a Gimp T-Shirt have you encountered in the last few years? I can probably count them on a single hand without fingers, and I simply don't believe that the additional exposure would generate a lot of requests for Federico and as a result this is probably not a big source of revenue for the GIMP. Federico, please correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that the Gimp-Shirts are done on a transfer-basis, i.e. not silkscreened. Having a shirt with silk-screened stuff needs big quantities and when you are a small company you cannot afford to put that much money into a product where you don't know if it sells. If you're curious you can look at Petra's collection at http://www.kernelconcepts.de/products/fun/tshirts.shtml with a selection of silk-screened or embroidered shirts for different free software projects. Make sure to have a look at the prices as well. This kind of stuff only works, when you know that you sell at least a certain amount of shirts, either to the project itself (for a booth or a conference), or by pre-orders. For the records: Petra usually has a full disclosure politics towards the projects regarding the manufacturing price and the projects have a big influence in the pricing of the shirts. [...] The idea of doing things this way is that it's the path of least resistance to getting a GIMP store. We control the product line, get regular updates on sales (we can even consult the sales database in real-time), and regular payments. We don't have to worry about credit cards, deliveries, customer service, stock management or any of the other things that make an online store hard work. Ok, when we want a Gimp-Store this is a big plus. I however doubt that this results in a regular stream of revenue. I believe the hassle which will come up when other merchandisers become aware of this deal is not worth it. I've talked to a few, the reason I'm suggesting Federico is that he
[Gimp-developer] who can tell me the type of color quantization algorithm in GIMP?
The color quantization in GIMP is high-quality. Can you tell me which algorithm it is? Thanks a lot! ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP merchandising
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 01:32:29PM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: As many of you know, we have an informal merchandising arrangement with Sourcewear.com which has raise a few dollars this year (not much, though). in the spirit of open can they make their files available? do they have the ability to stitch? perhaps the open merchandisers could make this information more open to this forum. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP merchandising
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: I've thought more about the whole thing and I would like to propose the following solution: We add a page about GIMP merchandising to www.gimp.org. This page (GIMP Stuff ?) gets linked from the sidebar and from the Donations page and it is mentioned on the front page at the time it is added (and perhaps every once in a while). On that page we give links to all places where people can obtain GIMP stuff but only if the GIMP project also gets a fair share of the bargain. That's grand with me. It's a fair middle line between having nothing (current state) and having an integrated merchandising line. This is the model that KDE use already, by the way. It's worth noting that what KDE gets in stuff is pretty tiny - it's measured in hundreds of euros a year. I think this is a fair compromise between the concerns that GIMP is selling out, and the desire to have GIMP merchandising for sale. Unless there are objections to this, I'll figure out the details with all concerned over the next couple of weeks. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP merchandising
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For their part, they would like to continue having their logo on the arm (which I'm OK with) The logo on the arm is definitely what keeps me (and probably others) from buying this stuff. I wouldn't dare to leave home wearing one of these shirts. It also gives me a very bad feeling about this merchandising arrangement. This seems to be a common point and I'll discuss this with Federico. I don't think a prominent place on the front page is appropriate. Integrating it into the sidebar might be. At least announcing its existence when we add the link to the sidebar might be nice. What exactly does this arrangement involve? We can hardly decide anything w/o knowing what we are talking about. Does it mean that sourcewear will be the only official merchandiser? It would be a non-exclusive agreement to produce wilber goods, with an agent identified for the GIMP project who would have control over product quality and designs. Exact details need to be worked out. And I'm not going to spend time doing that if the idea is not workable in principle. The only exclusive part would be that the link Buy GIMP stuff on gimp.org would go to wilber merchandise on sourcewear.com. They're getting placement - people who want to buy gimp merchandise go to gimp.org, where we currently don't cater for them. They don't go to sourcewear.org, so they don't sell many t-shirts, and we don't get much money from the arrangement. If we add a link to wgo, we are providing a service to people who want to buy wilber stuff and don't know where to go, they get more referrals, more sales, and we get a bigger slice of a bigger cake to spend on things that we want - for example, paying for the publishing of the GIMP manual (why not?) and a GIMP conference (when someone around here decides they want to put the time into arranging one). Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lyon, France ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] use of the Space key
Hi, I consider to change what GIMP uses the Space key for and would like to get some user feedback on this. Currently, pressing the Space key temporarily switches to the move tool. This is sometimes convenient but I am not sure if it is all that useful. Another image manipulation program, which GIMP is frequently being compared to, uses the Space key to offer the functionality that GIMP has bound to the middle mouse button: panning the image display. Since not everyone has a middle mouse button (especially on tablet pens), it might be a good idea to follow that example. If we did that, pressing Space would keep the current tool but the cursor would change to a hand symbol and one could drag the image display (not the content!) using the mouse. Any opinions on that, anyone? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
