Re: [gwidion@mpc.com.br: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes: to be the case with the early implementations but certainly not with the latest GTK+ 2.6 releases. The file dialog is getting better and better with each release. You keep repeating this as if it were some kind of religion - why do you ignore the people who simply disagree? Of course the new dialogs have many more features, but they are _much_ less usable for _some_ people. This is a simple fact. You should really accept that, even if it works for you, and even if you cannot understand it. I do accept that but I would like people to point out exactly what problems they have instead of just saying that they dislike the new dialogs. Without detailed complaints we can't do anything to improve the situation. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
Hi, Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The issue for most people, I'm guessing, will be that the whole flow of the dialog is alien to everything else around it as well. It has the whole dumbed down but if you click on Advanced enough times you might get somewhere feeling, compared to the relatively cluttered and intimidating (but also efficient) KDE dialogs. So the main complaint is that the dialog (which one?) shows up with the expanders collapsed? That is something that could be taken care of even though I am not convinced that it would be a change to the better. This is something which (as a techie) I don't find too disturbing, but which drives my wife completely twittery. She is an artist and a musician, not a techie (which is one reason I'm interested in doing artistic brushes for GIMP). I've tricked her into using GIMP for cropping and scaling images for EBay, but the alien appearance of the file-open dialog gets it categorised in her artistic little brain as being completely different to a KDE dialog aimed at exactly the same set of files. Why is she using the file open dialog at all? She could as well use the file manager and drag the files into GIMP. The file open dialog should really only be used if the file isn't readily selected elsewhere which should be rather unlikely if you are working in a document oriented way. Also, you might want to explain bookmarks to your wife. She might find the dialog a lot more usable then. What I am missing is support for XDS in the common desktops so that one would have to use the file save dialog less. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Prototype PDF import GIMP plug-in based on poppler
I've created an initial version of a PDF import plugin for GIMP that uses poppler. Currently this version has little to offer compared to the existing ghostscript-based PDF import plugin, but I feel like a poppler-based plug-in has much more potential in the long run. While this version uses poppler to render whole pages, it would be nice if it were possible to access individual elements, such as boxes of text or images, and have each rendered into a separate GIMP layer. Currently, there isn't enough exposed to the glib bindings to make this possible. This initial version is downloadable at http://rockwalrus.dyndns.org/~rockwlrs/gimp-poppler , and should be buildable with the appropriate libgimp devel package. I would very much appreciate it if some poppler developers took a look at what is there already and let their imaginations run wild. :) Rockwalrus ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
Hi Sven, Sven Neumann wrote: Why is she using the file open dialog at all? She could as well use the file manager and drag the files into GIMP. The file open dialog should really only be used if the file isn't readily selected elsewhere which should be rather unlikely if you are working in a document oriented way. True enough - drag'n'drop and gimp-remote are very useful here. Personally I tend to drag'n'drop from GQView into The GIMP - but the usefulness of DnD is hampered in stock Gnome by the impossibility of turning off click-to-front. (I'm technically minded and motivated enough to apply a patch, but end users aren't). DnD can also be a problem between multiple desktops. Also, you might want to explain bookmarks to your wife. She might find the dialog a lot more usable then. Bookmarks are indeed great. What I am missing is support for XDS in the common desktops so that one would have to use the file save dialog less. Yes, for me the Save dialog is an annoyance. I very rarely want to save directly into the default directory, and changing directories takes too much mousework, and is clumsy with the keyboard (tabbing to get the focus in the right place, then Ctrl-L, then enter path...) Is there any reason why the save dialog's filename entry box can't support paths directly? Could the expanded/collapsed status of the directory selector be made persistent across sessions? All the best, -- Alastair M. Robinson ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
Hi, Alastair M. Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is she using the file open dialog at all? She could as well use the file manager and drag the files into GIMP. The file open dialog should really only be used if the file isn't readily selected elsewhere which should be rather unlikely if you are working in a document oriented way. True enough - drag'n'drop and gimp-remote are very useful here. Personally I tend to drag'n'drop from GQView into The GIMP - but the usefulness of DnD is hampered in stock Gnome by the impossibility of turning off click-to-front. Right-click any image in gwview and choose Edit-in The GIMP (or Ctrl-1). Yes, for me the Save dialog is an annoyance. I very rarely want to save directly into the default directory, and changing directories takes too much mousework, and is clumsy with the keyboard (tabbing to get the focus in the right place, then Ctrl-L, then enter path...) Is there any reason why the save dialog's filename entry box can't support paths directly? But the entry does support entering absolute paths directly. Could the expanded/collapsed status of the directory selector be made persistent across sessions? I already said that it could be done but that I am not convinced that it is a change to the better. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [gwidion@mpc.com.br: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
Hi, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the entry does support entering absolute paths directly. and of course also relative paths Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
On Sunday 19 June 2005 18:02, Sven Neumann wrote: the alien appearance of the file-open dialog gets it categorised in her artistic little brain as being completely different to a KDE dialog aimed at exactly the same set of files. Why is she using the file open dialog at all? She could as well use the file manager and drag the files into GIMP. Now that I know it works, she's dragging a link from Konqueror and dropping it on GIMP to open files. GNOME weirded her out completely; KDE was different enough to disturb her. Cheers; Leon -- http://cyberknights.com.au/ Modern tools; traditional dedication http://plug.linux.org.au/ Member, Perth Linux User Group http://slpwa.asn.au/Member, Linux Professionals WA http://osia.net.au/ Member, Open Source Industry Australia http://linux.org.au/Member, Linux Australia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
Hi Sven, Sven Neumann wrote: True enough - drag'n'drop and gimp-remote are very useful here. Personally I tend to drag'n'drop from GQView into The GIMP - but the usefulness of DnD is hampered in stock Gnome by the impossibility of turning off click-to-front. Right-click any image in gwview and choose Edit-in The GIMP (or Ctrl-1). Yep, I do that too. But surely we should be trying to maximise the usability of the dialogs rather than merely suggesting that people don't use them? (Not that I'm complaining about the Open dialog :) ) But the entry does support entering absolute paths directly. Oh good. I'm a few versions behind on my Linux machine because I don't currently have time to update GTK, FreeType and everything else :) I already said that it could be done but that I am not convinced that it is a change to the better. I'm not suggesting that it should always be open - just that it should remember its last status. I would personally find that a huge improvement; somehow not being able to see where in the filesystem you are is a bit disorienting. All the best, -- Alastair M. Robinson ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
On Sunday 19 June 2005 19:38, Leon Brooks wrote: Now that I know it works, she's dragging a link from Konqueror and dropping it on GIMP to open files. Should add, right-click = open-with = The GIMP was bearable for her, but she really feels at home with drag this picture onto this program to work with it. Cheers; Leon -- http://cyberknights.com.au/ Modern tools; traditional dedication http://plug.linux.org.au/ Member, Perth Linux User Group http://slpwa.asn.au/Member, Linux Professionals WA http://osia.net.au/ Member, Open Source Industry Australia http://linux.org.au/Member, Linux Australia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
On Sunday 19 June 2005 19:48, Alastair M. Robinson wrote: I'm a few versions behind on my Linux machine because I don't currently have time to update GTK, FreeType and everything else Live dangerously, point your package manager at Debian Testing or Mandrake Cooker and update overnight every night. (-: Cheers; Leon -- http://cyberknights.com.au/ Modern tools; traditional dedication http://plug.linux.org.au/ Member, Perth Linux User Group http://slpwa.asn.au/Member, Linux Professionals WA http://osia.net.au/ Member, Open Source Industry Australia http://linux.org.au/Member, Linux Australia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
Hi, Alastair M. Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yep, I do that too. But surely we should be trying to maximise the usability of the dialogs rather than merely suggesting that people don't use them? In the long run, file dialogs and file locations in general should become something that the normal user would never have to use. I already said that it could be done but that I am not convinced that it is a change to the better. I'm not suggesting that it should always be open - just that it should remember its last status. The point of the expander is to hide the UI elements that you are unlikely going to use. Now if the dialog would remember this state and since I don't expect users to ever collapse the expander again, that would basically make the expander be open all the time, thus rendering it pointless. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [gwidion@mpc.com.br: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
On Sunday 19 June 2005 20:17, Sven Neumann wrote: The point of the expander is to hide the UI elements that you are unlikely going to use. Now if the dialog would remember this state and since I don't expect users to ever collapse the expander again, that would basically make the expander be open all the time, thus rendering it pointless. The obvious solution is to add a small sticky pin which one can click to nail the thing open (or closed, if the app starts it open) when it gets irritating. But then, IIRC, this goes against a GNOME policy of having all such things in a config program somewhere. Cheers; Leon -- http://cyberknights.com.au/ Modern tools; traditional dedication http://plug.linux.org.au/ Member, Perth Linux User Group http://slpwa.asn.au/Member, Linux Professionals WA http://osia.net.au/ Member, Open Source Industry Australia http://linux.org.au/Member, Linux Australia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
Hi Sven, Sven Neumann wrote: In the long run, file dialogs and file locations in general should become something that the normal user would never have to use. Realistically, that's a good few months / years away. In the meantime, we're pretty much stuck with using the Save dialog in one form or another. The point of the expander is to hide the UI elements that you are unlikely going to use. Now if the dialog would remember this state and since I don't expect users to ever collapse the expander again, that would basically make the expander be open all the time, thus rendering it pointless. Yes, I see your point. I can only speak for myself, of course, but personally, I end up unfolding the directory view perhaps 90-95% of the times I used the dialog. The only time I generally don't need to expand the directory view is if I'm just saving off an existing image in a different file format. Anyway, just my two-penneth :) All the best, -- Alastair M. Robinson ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [gwidion@mpc.com.br: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
Alastair M. Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only speak for myself, of course, but personally, I end up unfolding the directory view perhaps 90-95% of the times I used the dialog. The only time I generally don't need to expand the directory view is if I'm just saving off an existing image in a different file format. I have the opposite experience : I tend to group images of a drawing session / photo manipulations session in one directory, so when I save my first image I unfold the directory view to pick a bookmark and create a subdirectory in it, but from then every new save will only need the folded dialog, which is small and uncluttered, to my liking. -- Karine Delvare http://edhel.nerim.net/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [gwidion@mpc.com.br: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 05:11:08PM +0200, Karine Delvare wrote: Alastair M. Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only speak for myself, of course, but personally, I end up unfolding the directory view perhaps 90-95% of the times I used the dialog. The only time I generally don't need to expand the directory view is if I'm just saving off an existing image in a different file format. I have the opposite experience : I tend to group images of a drawing session / photo manipulations session in one directory, so when I save my first image I unfold the directory view to pick a bookmark and create a subdirectory in it, but from then every new save will only need the folded dialog, which is small and uncluttered, to my liking. is it within your ability to understand that there are still several people who have been using gimp since the 1.0 development era and expect configurability? perhaps even deserve it? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 12:02:23PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Why is she using the file open dialog at all? She could as well use the file manager and drag the files into GIMP. That's annoying. At work, on WinXP, I have a number of 'necessary' windows open at all time, to do cellphone game development: My project folder The Visual Studio window A build directory A target directory for dragging-and-dropping builds WinCVS Email client That's already cluttered enough, and WinXP's lack of usable virtual desktops[*] makes it even more annoying to try to open more windows. Especially since I can't tell Gimp Stay above other windows. And even if I could, it would be irritating if a window full of files just HAPPENED to appear 'under' the Gimp window. So yeah, I almost ALWAYS use File-Open, and almost never use drag-n-drop. [*] I've tried the Microsoft PowerToy for virtual desktops. It's utterly useless. Doubly-so since it (1) rearranges the window listing in the taskbar, and (2) Visual Studio is a piece of crap, and does stuff like unminimize when you switch between virtual desktops. The file open dialog should really only be used if the file isn't readily selected elsewhere which should be rather unlikely if you are working in a document oriented way. 99% of the time, even if I'm just manipulating digital photos, I open all of the files at once. I find it easier to with an Open dialog than it is with either Windows' file explorer or the Konqueror file manager. I mean, maybe it's because I'm stuck at 1024x768, but I just don't have lots of room for dragging and dropping files from file manager windows. *shrug* Also, you might want to explain bookmarks to your wife. She might find the dialog a lot more usable then. The bookmarks are okay, until you end up having 5 different folders called bitmaps, and it's impossible to tell which project folder it's from. (I use fairly standardized folder heirarchies and makefiles at work, so every game has a bitmaps folder.) Bookmarking more than one folder with a particular name causes confusion, since you can't tell which is which. Perhaps I should post a wishlist item to Gimp's bug tracker. :^) When there are multiple bookmarks pointing to folders with the same name, show more context. e.g.: supergame\bitmaps testapp\bitmaps -- -bill! Linux vs Windows studies can be divided into: [EMAIL PROTECTED]1. Studies paid for by Microsoft http://newbreedsoftware.com/ 2. Studies that conclude Linux wins ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 12:21:09PM +0100, Alastair M. Robinson wrote: Yes, for me the Save dialog is an annoyance. I very rarely want to save directly into the default directory, and changing directories takes too much mousework, and is clumsy with the keyboard (tabbing to get the focus in the right place, then Ctrl-L, then enter path...) Is there any reason why the save dialog's filename entry box can't support paths directly? Oh man, yeah, what the HELL is up with that? Why doesn't Gimp remember the last-saved folder!? :^( :^( -- -bill! Linux vs Windows studies can be divided into: [EMAIL PROTECTED]1. Studies paid for by Microsoft http://newbreedsoftware.com/ 2. Studies that conclude Linux wins ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]
Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [Fileselector] I do accept that but I would like people to point out exactly what problems they have instead of just saying that they dislike the new dialogs. Without detailed complaints we can't do anything to improve the situation. What occurred to me recently: The absence of a discoverable filename entry makes it quite hard to paste a filename into the fileselector. (plus the extra popping up window is quite annoying) Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Re: [poppler] Prototype PDF import GIMP plug-in based on poppler
On 6/19/05, Leonard Rosenthol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:23 AM 6/19/2005, Nathan Summers wrote: I've created an initial version of a PDF import plugin for GIMP that uses poppler. Cool! Currently this version has little to offer compared to the existing ghostscript-based PDF import plugin, Should be noticeably faster (and depending on the version of GS installed), higher quality. I was refering mostly to the fact that there are several features that the GS version has that the poppler version, being a prototype, does not. For instance, the version I put on the web has the resolution hard-coded at 72 dpi, which isn't very reasonable. While this version uses poppler to render whole pages, it would be nice if it were possible to access individual elements, such as boxes of text or images, and have each rendered into a separate GIMP layer. Interesting, but what purpose would it serve? If GIMP had real text layers (ala PSD), then it might be interesting to create such from PDF - but otherwise, I don't see any use. I'm not sure what you mean by real text layers. GIMP certainly can't do text layout as well as a typesetting program yet, but you certainly could click on a text layer, edit what the text says, and have the gimp engine re-render the text. What did you have in mind? It would be nice for different parts to be rendered into separate layers so they can be manipulated individually. GIMP already has some vector graphics features, and it is growing more constantly. Being able to inport paths actually as paths, etc, would be a very useful thing to have. Furthermore, if you only need a specific part of a large file, the ability to just import a few elements instead of the whole thing makes the workflow much easier. Rockwalrus ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
Hi, Bill Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, you might want to explain bookmarks to your wife. She might find the dialog a lot more usable then. The bookmarks are okay, until you end up having 5 different folders called bitmaps, and it's impossible to tell which project folder it's from. (I use fairly standardized folder heirarchies and makefiles at work, so every game has a bitmaps folder.) Bookmarking more than one folder with a particular name causes confusion, since you can't tell which is which. Perhaps I should post a wishlist item to Gimp's bug tracker. :^) When there are multiple bookmarks pointing to folders with the same name, show more context. e.g.: There's already a bug-report on that in the GTK+ bug-tracker. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [gwidion@mpc.com.br: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]
Hi, Marc Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For some reaosn I cna hardly believe that after reading your original posting. You simply show no sign of understanding for the preferences other people have, as if one-size-fits-all would be the perfect solution. Huh? I've been collecting the wishes and problems regarding the file selector, making sure that the GTK+ developers are aware of the problem and even patching the file selector myself. We have also done quite some changes to the gimp file dialogs since the switch to the new GtkFileChooser widget. If you want to suggest that I would be ignoring the complaints, I really don't know what you've been smoking. If you want details then exactly as in gtk+-1.0 should suffice, because that dialog simply worked. No extra window, no slow extra popups that you have to wait for, no fancy and distracting _hiliting_, no stealing of the current selection etc. etc. Basically I want to be able to blindly enter paths as I could with gimp-1.0, press enter and presto - saved or loaded, with no other die effects. Perhaps you should stop looking at the dialog and just blindly enter paths. It works surprisingly well. What I simply find annoying is this there is no problem attitude. I would find a there are problems, but we will not go back to that for the very few users who liked it attitude much much better. There's no such atttitude. The new file chooser has bugs and they need to be fixed. Asking us to revert to the old widget is however not an option. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ (-: sooner or later :-) KDEification of GIMP]
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:40:37 +0200 If you want details then exactly as in gtk+-1.0 should suffice, because that dialog simply worked. No extra window, no slow extra popups that you have to wait for, no fancy and distracting _hiliting_, no stealing of the current selection etc. etc. Basically I want to be able to blindly enter paths as I could with gimp-1.0, press enter and presto - saved or loaded, with no other die effects. Perhaps you should stop looking at the dialog and just blindly enter paths. It works surprisingly well. Did this change in GTK 2.6? In GTK 2.4, I tried doing precisely that. I typed ctrl-O while in an image named colors4.tif; I tried to type skier.tifenter and got another copy of colors4.tif. I don't much mind blindly entering paths, as long as I can see what I'm typing in case I make a mistake. -- Robert Krawitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project lead for Gimp Print --http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works. --Eric Crampton ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
On Sunday, June 19, 2005, 21:17:14, Bill Kendrick wrote: [*] I've tried the Microsoft PowerToy for virtual desktops. It's utterly useless. Doubly-so since it (1) rearranges the window listing in the taskbar, and (2) Visual Studio is a piece of crap, and does stuff like unminimize when you switch between virtual desktops. Try VirtuaWin from http://virtuawin.sf.net/. Not sure how it works with Visual Studio, but I like it much more than MS's virtual desktop tool. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ It's morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money. -- Canada Bill Jones's Motto ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Re: FileSave dialog (was: many other things)
On Monday 20 June 2005 07:02, Robert L Krawitz wrote: I don't much mind blindly entering paths, as long as I can see what I'm typing in case I make a mistake. Um. English sucks. My brain twitched a fair bit trying to parse that, so I'm going to re-word it as: I don't mind typing when there is no indication of any place to type, but as soon as I start typing I would like some feedback in case I make a mistake. Correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers; Leon -- http://cyberknights.com.au/ Modern tools; traditional dedication http://plug.linux.org.au/ Member, Perth Linux User Group http://slpwa.asn.au/Member, Linux Professionals WA http://osia.net.au/ Member, Open Source Industry Australia http://linux.org.au/Member, Linux Australia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 08:56:07AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: On Monday 20 June 2005 02:04, Carol Spears wrote: On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 05:11:08PM +0200, Karine Delvare wrote: Alastair M. Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only speak for myself, of course, but personally, I end up unfolding the directory view perhaps 90-95% of the times I used the dialog. The only time I generally don't need to expand the directory view is if I'm just saving off an existing image in a different file format. I have the opposite experience : I tend to group images of a drawing session / photo manipulations session in one directory, so when I save my first image I unfold the directory view to pick a bookmark and create a subdirectory in it, but from then every new save will only need the folded dialog, which is small and uncluttered, to my liking. is it within your ability to understand that there are still several people who have been using gimp since the 1.0 development era and expect configurability? I don't think Karine was speaking against configurability as such, just in favour of the default. Would a simple push-pin toggle control to optionally stick the default configuration one way or the other be difficult to implement? that is the issue. a good thing for beginners has been foisted on everyone. just blindly type into the selector is terrible advice for how to use something. especially software. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Gimp-developer] FAQ
On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 07:36:21PM -0700, Carol Spears wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 08:56:07AM +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: On Monday 20 June 2005 02:04, Carol Spears wrote: On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 05:11:08PM +0200, Karine Delvare wrote: Alastair M. Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only speak for myself, of course, but personally, I end up unfolding the directory view perhaps 90-95% of the times I used the dialog. The only time I generally don't need to expand the directory view is if I'm just saving off an existing image in a different file format. I have the opposite experience : I tend to group images of a drawing session / photo manipulations session in one directory, so when I save my first image I unfold the directory view to pick a bookmark and create a subdirectory in it, but from then every new save will only need the folded dialog, which is small and uncluttered, to my liking. is it within your ability to understand that there are still several people who have been using gimp since the 1.0 development era and expect configurability? I don't think Karine was speaking against configurability as such, just in favour of the default. Would a simple push-pin toggle control to optionally stick the default configuration one way or the other be difficult to implement? that is the issue. a good thing for beginners has been foisted on everyone. just blindly type into the selector is terrible advice for how to use something. especially software. i am replying to myself -- not a good situation. i also realize that i am combining two different thoughts from this original thread and not combining it well. karine is a new user and therefore likes the default. this is all fine and good, however, i still need to open that expander almost every single time i work and expected that the behavior of the expander be configurable long before now. then you got the other thread running about the file selector. the fact that i confuse the two is probably related to the way the developers answer the complaints. the answers are rude, suspiciously lacking in logic and fall way below the expectations anyone would have if you have been following gimp development for more than the last three years. my opinions do not matter, but blindly type into it??? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
