Re: [Gimp-developer] default setup for 2.4 comments
Raphaël Quinet wrote: On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:36:53 -0500, Adrian Likins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. In the toolbox, the fg/bg color, and brush/patter/gradient boxes should be on. Maybe. But another option (mentioned in your point 2) would be to make sure that the color selector tab is always included in the default session (even when upgrading from a previous gimp version!) and that it is visible by default (first tab). In this case, I am not sure that we need the separate indicator. We can save some precious desktop space by not having it on by default. I prefer to have these showing in the toolbox. When I lost them a some time ago after a cvs up, the first thing I did was find out where they went and how to get them back. I run with a screen resolution of 1280x1024. The two main GIMP dialogs fill almost the full screen height near the right side of my desktop so I work with image windows over on the left side of my screen. I don't see any real benefits from the amount of desktop space that can be saved by turning the display of these features off. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/ |What are we going to do today, Borg? Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172|Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world! #include disclaimer/favourite | -Pinkutus the Borg ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] default setup for 2.4 comments
Hi, On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 15:18 -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote: I prefer to have these showing in the toolbox. When I lost them a some time ago after a cvs up, the first thing I did was find out where they went and how to get them back. You could at least have tried to live without them for a while before judging about this change. That's one of the main problems with the GIMP user interface. People are afraid of trying new things and miss what they have learnt to use. So, the fact that you immidiately renabled these widgets only show us that you are reluctant to changes. It doesn't show that these widgets are in any way important and should be part of the default setup. I don't see any real benefits from the amount of desktop space that can be saved by turning the display of these features off. It's not primarily a question of screen estate. The question is whether these widgets are useful enough for the average user to have them enabled by default. We have to try not to add too many things or new users will be overwhelmed by the sheer amount of user interface elements. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] default setup for 2.4 comments
Hi, to avoid misunderstandings, I would like to point out that I very much welcome the discussion about the defaults for 2.4. But I think that we should better have it on the gimp-users list. I don't think that developers are good at doing user interface decisions. Most of us (and that includes me) are way too used to the way that things are and used to be for years. We are not capable of seeing the problems and possible solutions unless we listen to our users. That doesn't mean that we should do whatever the users tell us to do. By no means. But we should listen to them and give them a chance to participate in such decisions. I would very much welcome a merge of the users and developer lists. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] default setup for 2.4 comments
On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:04:38PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: to avoid misunderstandings, I would like to point out that I very much welcome the discussion about the defaults for 2.4. But I think that we should better have it on the gimp-users list. I don't think that developers are good at doing user interface decisions. Well unfortunately we users are ultimately at the mercy of you developers, so all we can do is *hope* that you are good at the UI decisions, since we have to live with them That doesn't mean that we should do whatever the users tell us to do. By no means. But we should listen to them and give them a chance to participate in such decisions. I would very much welcome a merge of the users and developer lists. That is an excellent idea! I, as a user, got onto this developer list some time ago for some forgotten reason. But it has been fascinating to watch you discuss the evolving 2.4. There seem to be some who are interested in what we poor schmucks out here in Userland have to say, while others seem to take the attitude of Let them eat cake. Free software is a wondrous thing. Scott Swanson ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
