[Gimp-developer] Unknown host anoncvs.gnome.org
Logging in to :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:2401/cvs/gnome CVS password: Unknown host anoncvs.gnome.org. Have I missed a big change or is this a misleading error? If it means cvs interface has been pulled , where are the instruction to set up svn? Thx. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Unknown host anoncvs.gnome.org
On 2/24/07, gg wrote: Logging in to :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:2401/cvs/gnome CVS password: Unknown host anoncvs.gnome.org. Have I missed a big change or is this a misleading error? You did :) svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gimp/trunk/ gimp Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
Mark Lowry wrote: It would be useful to add a temporary magnifying window that would provide a zoomed-in view of the area immediately surrounding the cursor. like this? http://www.creativepro.com/img/story/20051219_fg5.jpg assigned to a spring-loaded key (push down: magnifier appears, release: disappears). Settings need to be adjustable on the fly, hmmm. magnified area can stay out of the way automatically, without jumpy behaviour, like magic. --ps principal user interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
I was thinking more like this ... http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL66/86790/6669793/233033597.jpg --- peter sikking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Lowry wrote: It would be useful to add a temporary magnifying window that would provide a zoomed-in view of the area immediately surrounding the cursor. like this? http://www.creativepro.com/img/story/20051219_fg5.jpg assigned to a spring-loaded key (push down: magnifier appears, release: disappears). Settings need to be adjustable on the fly, hmmm. magnified area can stay out of the way automatically, without jumpy behaviour, like magic. --ps principal user interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
On Saturday 24 February 2007 14:12, Mark Lowry wrote: I was thinking more like this ... http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL66/86790/6669793/233033597.jpg Hello, I have to admit that this is a great idea. But I think it is better to have both normal and magnified view at the same time, because it can be hard to follow an edge or to see the global aspect if the magnified view hide the normal view. My 0.02 euros... -- Frédéric http://www.gbiloba.org pgpi5ZC8ZtXib.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
On 2/24/07, Mark Lowry wrote: It would be useful to add a temporary magnifying window that would provide a zoomed-in view of the area immediately surrounding the cursor. This could be accessed, for example, by pressing SHIFT+Z, upon which a small window would open up and display the area around the cursor. The window that pops up could have some check boxes for the amount of magnification to be used (1x, 2x, 3x, 5x, etc.). I really _miss_ this feature! One of the things I do all the time, is selecting rectangular regions from an image, with pixel perfect precision and then copy + paste as new. To achieve the pixel perfect precision, I have to zoom in a lot (10x and maybe more) and try at the same time to make a selection of an area which doesn't even fit my screen. It's hard and irritating. The important things in implementing something like this are: 1) You have to have an unobstructed view of the image (that's why I don't like peter sikking's proposal) 2) You must be able to see the outline of the brush or the cursor position, in the zoomed in view and the zoomed in view should follow the normal view (that's why a second zoomed in view of the image, with View-New View, wouldn't work) How about another tab that shows the zoomed in view, with the above characteristics and a key that when you press it and the zoom tab is enabled, it would raise this tab on the front? Of course, finding a key would be difficult... Can ctrl for example be used for this purpose without affecting its use from the other tools? Should be? ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
Hi, how should tool interaction work with this? Would you want to see the mouse cursor in the magnified view? Should you able to interact in it or is it just a view? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Unknown host anoncvs.gnome.org
Hi, On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 10:04 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logging in to :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:2401/cvs/gnome CVS password: Unknown host anoncvs.gnome.org. Have I missed a big change or is this a misleading error? You certainly don't missed the fact that we moved from CVS to Subversion, did you? If it means cvs interface has been pulled , where are the instruction to set up svn? I posted them to the list when the change happened. There is also information at http://developer.gimp.org/svn.html. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
Steve Stavropoulos wrote: I really _miss_ this feature! One of the things I do all the time, is selecting rectangular regions from an image, with pixel perfect precision and then copy + paste as new. The important things in implementing something like this are: 1) You have to have an unobstructed view of the image (that's why I don't like peter sikking's proposal) here is the workflow that I am seeing for you: - set the course selection rectangle - grab a side or corner handle, set it pretty damn close, press magnifier key, see magnified view out if the way of your cursor, set corner/edge pixel perfect, release handle, release magnifier key - repeat last step for the other 3 corners/sides unobstructed and precise enough? --ps principal user interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
IMO, you definitely need to see the mouse cursor in the magnified view, and you should be able to interact with it. Windows has a magnifier that uses a second window for the magnified display. The good is that the cursor shows up in the enlarged view ... the bad is that the window takes up so much room on your screen and you have to relocate it frequently while you work. You can dock it on the edges of the screen or have it float, however. If you want to see/try the Windows implementation, it is under StartProgramsAccessoriesAccessibilityMagnifier. Here's a screen shot of the Windows version in action. http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL66/86790/6669793/233053894.jpg The Windows version is not bad, but improvements could be made and I don't know if other operating systems have such a tool. A version that resides in GIMP and is designed with retouchers in mind would be a very nice feature, I think. --- Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, how should tool interaction work with this? Would you want to see the mouse cursor in the magnified view? Should you able to interact in it or is it just a view? Sven Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
Hi, On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 07:41 -0800, Mark Lowry wrote: Here's a screen shot of the Windows version in action. http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL66/86790/6669793/233053894.jpg The Windows version is not bad, but improvements could be made and I don't know if other operating systems have such a tool. A version that resides in GIMP and is designed with retouchers in mind would be a very nice feature, I think. Pretty much every desktop comes with such a tool and it shouldn't be our business to duplicate this functionality. But a magnifier on the desktop level can only magnify the screen view. It wouldn't give a more detailed view of the image. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
how should tool interaction work with this? Would you want to see the mouse cursor in the magnified view? Should you able to interact in it or is it just a view? IMO, there should be a fixed crosshair or something in the center of the zoom window that corresponds to the cursor. As the tool moves around the image, the image scrolls but the crosshair does not move. I do not think there needs to be be any interaction, other than being able to set the magnification level desired - either in prefs or in the window itself. I'm not sure whether it would be best to implement it as a pop-up as suggested, or as a dialog. I'd probably vote for some type of toggle on the existing navigation window, or a new dialog similar to the nav window. I would probably find the pop-up annoying after a time. Just my 2¢, Chris ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:10:47 +0100, Akkana Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: peter sikking writes: what I am asking myself is 'does this thing need to be circular? XEphem has a magnifier in some of its views, like the moon view. It's just a square with a yellow border, and you can drag the mouse around and magnify different parts of the image in real time. http://shallowsky.com/tmp/xephem-moon-view.jpg I don't find it very useful in xephem because there's not enough detail to be worth magnifying, but I'd love a quick way in GIMP of saying Show me what this small region looks like at full size, even though the image window is zoomed out at 33%. In GIMP, as Sven already said, you can get more useful information than a mere screen magnifier could give. I think that might be a different use case from what's being discussed here, though, because seeing a brush cursor doesn't make much sense in this model. I'd be moving the mouse around to select what area gets zoomed, not to paint or do other operations. If I want to see both zoomed and normal views while I'm actually painting, opening a second view works fine for me. Chris Mohler writes: I'm not sure whether it would be best to implement it as a pop-up as suggested, or as a dialog. I'd probably vote for some type of toggle on the existing navigation window, or a new dialog similar to the nav window. I would probably find the pop-up annoying after a time. I'd use a popup but I wouldn't use a dialog. If it was a dialog that I had to position on the screen and dismiss later, I'd just as soon open a new view and zoom it. Especially if there were other preliminary steps, like the select-a-region step Peter described. just a quick thought following from an earlier comment. As an aid to getting pixel precision on a larger area than could be displayed in one go at a sufficient resolution. If the mouse wheel is configured like googleEarth zoom, could this provide a way to pinpoint with pixel accuracy each corner of the rectangle without the need for a loupe? Scroll zoom , select rectangle vertex 1, zoom out, find second part in image, zoom in, click second defining vertex. Currently the zoom is disabled while the mouse button is down. I'll let Peter suggest the best way implement this. Whether by allowing mouse scroll events while left button is depressed , or by some other selection means. Currently I dont see a way to select a rectangle larger than the visible area without compromising precision. gg. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Enhancement Proposal: Add a temporary magnifier
Hi, On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 13:29 -0800, Mark Lowry wrote: If a second, stationary window is used rather than a moving lens, I would suggest that it should have its own buttons for controling the magnification level. Its desktop location should also be able to be remembered upon exiting GIMP or any time it is closed so that when it is launched again it re-opens in the same location. It could be dockable. In the long term our plans for dockables is that anything that you ever added to a dock will open again where you had docked it the last time. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
