[Gimp-developer] Definition #5 is bad, but what about #1-4???

2009-10-28 Thread vabijou2


Lame, crippled, inept, deficient, or sexual deviant .  

I get that it's an acronym, but that doesn't mean it isn't incredibly
strange to want to associate a project that the developers are proud of with
any of these interpretations!

. Mark





John B-12 wrote:
 
 I use Gimp frequently, and I find this pretty concerning.
 
 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gimp#Noun_2
 
 There is no way I'm wearing a Gimp T-Shirt after reading item #5.
 Worse, I seem to recall the Gimp mascot being referred to as a gimp
 in multiple occasions on the website.
 
 IMO this would be a valid reason for a name change. Has that ever been
 considered?
 
 John

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Definition #5 is bad, but what about #1-4???

2009-10-28 Thread Sparr
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM, vabijou2 vabi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Lame, crippled, inept, deficient, or sexual deviant .

 I get that it's an acronym, but that doesn't mean it isn't incredibly
 strange to want to associate a project that the developers are proud of with
 any of these interpretations!

You are restarting an argument that is already a decade old, and has
been fought to conclusion a dozen times over.  If you REALLY think it
needs to be revisited, read all of the old posts and come up with a
new point to make, or at least address the reasoning given repeatedly
for not changing.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Definition #5 is bad, but what about #1-4???

2009-10-28 Thread Stephen Griffiths
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 19:41 -0400, Sparr wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM, vabijou2 vabi...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Lame, crippled, inept, deficient, or sexual deviant .
 
  I get that it's an acronym, but that doesn't mean it isn't incredibly
  strange to want to associate a project that the developers are proud of with
  any of these interpretations!
 
 You are restarting an argument that is already a decade old, and has
 been fought to conclusion a dozen times over.

Fought to conclusion yes, but I can't remember anyone ever agreeing.  I
think even within the people who develop or contribute to gimp via
discussion, people just eventually give up and go along with the joke.
The name and the joke is on so many levels not very clever, there is a
lot of tautology in the meaning only a little less when general became
GNU. There is also the obvious association between gimp in leather, or
gimp with a limp, or meanings in other languages (although the relevance
of this point is questionable in most circumstances).

We as people have more important things to do, whether it is with GIMP
or the real world.  Hell, I count getting drunk and waking up in a
gutter as more important than re-hashing conversations that have little
merit.

On a more serious note, and to rehash what Sven has said before, if this
was ever considered there is a lot of brand association with the name
GIMP even for people who tried gimp 5+ years ago, and say GIMP is clunky
because of this crazy weird UI (quite literally a gimp ui-wise).  If a
name change was considered, the only thing other than 'GIMP' that could
be associated as GIMP (for me personally) is Wilber or Wilber Image
Editor. Which to me sounds cool and funky, it also gets rid of the
duality of association between GIMP, gimp and Wilber the gimp, and more
importantly me having to read this conversation repeatedly.

In conclusion, I think it is a dry joke between people who understand,
it is that cliquish understanding which perpetuates the idea that the
joke is funny, clever or culturally significant.  I propose that GIMP as
a project is what we care about, and frankly everyone working on GIMP
should be damn proud of what is being achieved.  The name on the other
hand, only contains value for brand association or for those who find it
clever.

regards,
Stephen.

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