Re: [Gimp-developer] Request to include Gimp Manual Book at Gimp.org books (Gimp merchandise)
Hi, On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 01:45 -0300, Monica Kraenzle wrote: Yes, it is a pdf formatted version of http://docs.gimp.org . We formatted the gnu-labeled PDF version for book printing and designed this cover. All pages are completed including all gnu informations. GNU Image Manipulation Program December 2, 2007 REVISION HISTORY $Revision: 2129 $ 2007-07-15 romanofski It's a somewhat unprofessional approach to print and sell the user manual without getting in contact with the authors beforehand, isn't it? And then you put Susan A. Jones as the author. Who is that? I don't remember having seen that name among the contributors to the GIMP user manual. Could you help to get this up on the book page? I don't think we want to advertize an outdated copy of the user manual. Definitely not without approval from the GIMP docs team. So please ask them first. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Request to include Gimp Manual Book at Gimp.org books (Gimp merchandise)
Hi Monica, On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 08:29:41AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Yes, it is a pdf formatted version of http://docs.gimp.org . I wonder what you did? The PDF versions we published on http://docs.gimp.org were still considered as work-in-progress. Additionally they are very much outdated. We formatted the gnu-labeled PDF version for book printing and designed this cover. All pages are completed including all gnu informations. GNU Image Manipulation Program December 2, 2007 REVISION HISTORY $Revision: 2129 $ 2007-07-15 romanofski It's a somewhat unprofessional approach to print and sell the user manual without getting in contact with the authors beforehand, isn't it? And then you put Susan A. Jones as the author. Who is that? I don't remember having seen that name among the contributors to the GIMP user manual. I have to agree with Sven here. The manual was written by a lot of authors and people who spend their free time on the manual. I can't remember that you gave either me or someone else of the documentation team a note that you published the book. It would have been much better to post a mail to the docs mailing list: http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Request to include Gimp Manual Book at Gimp.org books (Gimp merchandise)
Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Request to include Gimp Manual Book at Gimp.org books (Gimp merchandise) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:29:41 +0200 Hi, On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 01:45 -0300, Monica Kraenzle wrote: Yes, it is a pdf formatted version of http://docs.gimp.org . We formatted the gnu-labeled PDF version for book printing and designed this cover. All pages are completed including all gnu informations. GNU Image Manipulation Program December 2, 2007 REVISION HISTORY $Revision: 2129 $ 2007-07-15 romanofski It's a somewhat unprofessional approach to print and sell the user manual without getting in contact with the authors beforehand, isn't it? And then you put Susan A. Jones as the author. Who is that? I don't remember having seen that name among the contributors to the GIMP user manual. Could you help to get this up on the book page? I don't think we want to advertize an outdated copy of the user manual. Definitely not without approval from the GIMP docs team. So please ask them first. Sven Hi Sven, It was the most recent pdf document we could find although I would be more happy to find a more up-to-date pdf version, but I doubt that there are updated good resolution pdf docs somewhere. Regarding your comments: Did I missed something about GNU? I studied the gimp website, all GNU licences written in the manual, the GNU site etc. We included all pages of the manual within the book, including all GNU infomations, all author names etc. plus the informations that there is an updated html onlie manual available at gimp.org I did not see any hint anywhere that we have to ask for approval of a Gimp doc team and just found out how to contact gimp developers to ask for adding the book. I don't want to be offensive but is Gimp and the Gimp manual GNU or not? Although I noticed later on that somewhere it's written somewhere that the gimp doc team could be contacted to ask if there is any updated version. As a publishing company has to mention one main author we used Susan A. Jones as a editor pen name of the book. Technically there is no way to use 20 or what authors as authors when you publish a book. But all authors are credited in the book pages itself. You do promote 9 year old books on your website, so your comments sounds a bit offensive. Besten Gruss, Monica _ Ingresá ya a MSN Deportes y enterate de las últimas novedades del mundo deportivo. http://msn.foxsports.com/fslasc/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Request to include Gimp Manual Book at Gimp.org books (Gimp merchandise)
Hi Monica, We would like to support gimp with donating a part of the revenue. I hoped and I hope that this would be in everybody's interest. Anyway that we could get that back on track? I propose the following: 1. Stop selling this version of the book. 2. Subscribe to the docs mailing list: https://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs/ so we can discuss publishing a manual including the authors and contributors. If you can't stop selling this version, update it and put the authors of the manual on the front of the book: http://docs.gimp.org/en/pr01.html#gimp-team I don't know who Susan A. Jones is and I also can't think of any contributions from her. Therefore I don't think she should appear as the editor of the manual. Though she probable have to be credited for her task - whatever that was. Greetings, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Request to include Gimp Manual Book at Gimp.org books (Gimp merchandise)
Hi Monica, Did I missed something about GNU? I studied the gimp website, all GNU licences written in the manual, the GNU site etc. We included all pages of the manual within the book, including all GNU infomations, all author names etc. plus the informations that there is an updated html onlie manual available at gimp.org I did not see any hint anywhere that we have to ask for approval of a Gimp doc team and just found out how to contact gimp developers to ask for adding the book. There is actually nothing illegal printing and selling the copies of the PDF version. Although it's not best practice. PDF versions published on docs.gimp.org are not final versions, they're 'snapshot' versions meaning that they include all small an major glitches (spelling errors, layout problems, etc). So with all the glitches in the PDF version and including that it's outdated, I don't think your customers will be satisfied all in all. That could also mean that people think, we as in the contributors to the manual, published our manual on our own through you, which is not the case. I don't want to be offensive but is Gimp and the Gimp manual GNU or not? It is GNU. The manual is not published under GPL it is published under GFDL. Although I noticed later on that somewhere it's written somewhere that the gimp doc team could be contacted to ask if there is any updated version. As a publishing company has to mention one main author we used Susan A. Jones as a editor pen name of the book. Technically there is no way to use 20 or what authors as authors when you publish a book. But all authors are credited in the book pages itself. I do think that is possible ... at least technically. So finally - you can publish the PDF versions of the manual whereever you want to as long as you stick to the license (naming Susan A. Jones as an editor violates the license probably.). But by publishing it without asking you can't expecting any help from us. Greetings, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Request to include Gimp Manual Book at Gimp.org books (Gimp merchandise)
Hi, I would like to request to some developer (web team) to include this printed softcover edition of the GIMP Manual which we published some weeks ago, under the BOOK section of www.gimp.org It's available through Amazon and we will DONATE 10% of all net revenues to Gimp. The Book details (cover images available on both websites mentioned below): Title: GIMP - The official Manual Author: Susan A. Jones Format: Paperback, 718p. ISBN-10: 1440427062 ISBN-13: 978-1440427060 Publisher/Date: CreateSpace September 2008 Website: http://gimpmanual.weebly.com Website: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1440427062 Product Description GIMP Users Manual. 718-pages paperback-book edition. The HOW TO to Photo Retouching, Image Composition and Image Authoring The ultimate Users Manual for GIMP, the freely distributed IMAGE SOFTWARE. GIMP stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program. GIMP is a free Photo and image Software for Photo Retouching, Image Composition and Image Authoring. This complete Users Manual will help you to learn the program and to work with all of it's functions. The HOW TO to Photo Retouching, Image Composition and Image Authoring. The ultimate HOW TO GIMP manual. _ ¿Aburrido? Ingresá ya y divertite como nunca en MSN Juegos. http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Request to include Gimp Manual Book at Gimp.org books (Gimp merchandise)
Monica Kraenzle wrote: Title: GIMP - The official Manual What exactly makes this book official? Is it a print of the manual available from http://docs.gimp.org? Michael -- GIMP http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Request to include Gimp Manual Book at Gimp.org books (Gimp merchandise)
Hi Michael, Yes, it is a pdf formatted version of http://docs.gimp.org . We formatted the gnu-labeled PDF version for book printing and designed this cover. All pages are completed including all gnu informations. GNU Image Manipulation Program December 2, 2007 REVISION HISTORY $Revision: 2129 $ 2007-07-15 romanofski Could you help to get this up on the book page? _ Descargá ya gratis y viví la experiencia Windows Live. http://www.descubrewindowslive.com/latam/index.html ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
