Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a no-anti-aliasing option to the brush? On 20/06/16 20:51, C R wrote: Yep, may as well. lol -C On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Andrew Pullins wrote: Sounds like a good idea On Jun 15, 2016 10:51 PM, "Americo Gobbo" wrote: Hi all, The Hardness parameter to Pencil Tool is not utilized, but is present in its Tool Options. Reading the documentation: “The Pencil tool is used to draw free hand lines with a hard edge. The pencil and paintbrush are similar tools. The main difference between the two tools is that although both use the same type of brush, the pencil tool will not produce fuzzy edges, even with a very fuzzy brush. It does not even do anti-aliasing.” If I have reason, I suggest delete the hardness Pencil parameter on tool options, to avoid mistakes/misleading on the UI. Thanks, americo ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
That's fine, except then you lose a dedicated tool to switch back and forth from. That said, I never ever have any use for the pencil tool. It would not make me sad to see it go in favour of reducing number of tools. It hardly seems worth having two tools that do the same thing apart from one option. My 2p. -C On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Ofnuts wrote: > Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a no-anti-aliasing > option to the brush? > > On 20/06/16 20:51, C R wrote: > >> Yep, may as well. lol >> -C >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Andrew Pullins >> wrote: >> >> Sounds like a good idea >>> On Jun 15, 2016 10:51 PM, "Americo Gobbo" wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, The Hardness parameter to Pencil Tool is not utilized, but is present in its Tool Options. Reading the documentation: “The Pencil tool is used to draw free hand lines with a hard edge. The pencil and paintbrush are similar tools. The main difference between the two tools is that although both use the same type of brush, the pencil tool will not produce fuzzy edges, even with a very fuzzy brush. It does not even do anti-aliasing.” If I have reason, I suggest delete the hardness Pencil parameter on tool options, to avoid mistakes/misleading on the UI. Thanks, americo > ___ > gimp-developer-list mailing list > List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org > List membership: > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list > ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:50 AM Ofnuts wrote: > Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a > no-anti-aliasing option to the brush? > This sounds like a great option. As CR says, if the only difference is that one parameter, then it makes sense. +1 -- Pat David https://pixls.us http://blog.patdavid.net ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
On Tuesday 21 June 2016 13:17:59 Pat David wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:50 AM Ofnuts wrote: > > Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a > > no-anti-aliasing option to the brush? > > This sounds like a great option. As CR says, if the only difference is > that one parameter, then it makes sense. > +1 While tossing around wild ideas, what about allowing people to add tool presets to their toolbox? That way you could have your pencil back by adding such a preset. Tobias signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
> > While tossing around wild ideas, what about allowing people to add tool > presets to their toolbox? That way you could have your pencil back by > adding > such a preset. > For the two tools in question, this feature already exists. It's called the "Brushes" palate. ;) -C > > Tobias > ___ > gimp-developer-list mailing list > List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org > List membership: > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list > > ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
Hi all, The Tool Options of the Pencil and Paintbrush are identical... the unique difference is that Pencil don't have antialiasing... so, hard edges. This is the concept of Pencil tool... to have, a Paintbrush with a hard-edge option is an option... but, if you can a tool with hard-edge... you need also the Hardness disabled... for me it seems a paradox condition. The Paintbrush with hard edge, no antialising, is necessary to have the Hardness disabled... so, when I choose hard-edge option (alias Pencil), the hardness must appears faded (off). I prefer to maintain the Pencil... and to cut only the hardness parameter of tool options... the Pencil tool is a classic. The unique equivocated option in the tool options is the Hardness. The idea about, if I have understood well, to have not-antialiasing in the brush... it seems a bit strange for me, essentially because we can do it using hard-edge stains... normally I use the Pencil tool to create these stains. Normally, if you have a hard-edge stain, and you need a bit more soft stain... we can use the hardness slider and also a curve in the paint dynamics to control the hardness. thanks, americo On 21-06-2016 10:17, Pat David wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:50 AM Ofnuts wrote: Shouldn't we instead get rid of the pencil tool and add a no-anti-aliasing option to the brush? This sounds like a great option. As CR says, if the only difference is that one parameter, then it makes sense. +1 ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
Americo Gobbo (jag.rabi...@gmail.com) wrote: > The Tool Options of the Pencil and Paintbrush are identical... the unique > difference is that Pencil don't have antialiasing... so, hard edges. Note that the pencil tool also avoid non-integer brush coordinates, i.e. the brushes "snap" to whole pixel positions. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
Thanks, I don't have understood reading the documentation... is possible to note that the tool pencil does more that hard-edge or not anti-aliasing. On 21-06-2016 12:18, Simon Budig wrote: The Tool Options of the Pencil and Paintbrush are identical... the unique >difference is that Pencil don't have antialiasing... so, hard edges. Note that the pencil tool also avoid non-integer brush coordinates, i.e. the brushes "snap" to whole pixel positions. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
On Tue, 2016-06-21 at 08:57 +0100, C R wrote: > That's fine, except then you lose a dedicated tool to switch back and > forth from. In particular, if you use a tablet you can have a "pencil" stylus and a "paintbrush" stylus. -- Liam R. E. Quin ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
On 21/06/16 17:00, Americo Gobbo wrote: the Pencil tool is a classic. A little-used classic. It has its uses (pixel art), but on the whole I have much more often redirected pencil users to the brush that the reverse. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
A pixel brush seems like an adequate replacement for that functionality. -C On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Ofnuts wrote: > On 21/06/16 17:00, Americo Gobbo wrote: > >> >> the Pencil tool is a classic. >> > > A little-used classic. It has its uses (pixel art), but on the whole I > have much more often redirected pencil users to the brush that the reverse. > > ___ > gimp-developer-list mailing list > List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org > List membership: > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list > ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil - Tool Options and Hardness
C R (caj...@gmail.com) wrote: > A pixel brush seems like an adequate replacement for that functionality. Again, no. Try working with a pixel brush in a bigger magnification and check how the pixel-grid-snapping of the pencil tool makes a huge difference to the paintbrush. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:gimp-developer-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list