Re: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?
În data de Tue, 1 May 2012 10:55:44 +0530, Srihari Sriraman a scris: Why not merge it and let the users explore it and maybe it will spur new ideas? From what I understand, this is a tool that provides a kind of shortcuts based on English names of GIMP tools. If this is correct, then Tito is useful only for English-speaking peoples. For me it is pretty useless, as it is equally difficult to remember where a deeep menu is, or remember a shorcut name (like gb for Neclaritate gaussiană or adjust for Dimensiune de canava). I mean it may be very useful for many, but as default inclusion in a program that provides international support with its translated interface, hmm. Cristi -- Cristian Secară http://www.secarica.ro ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?
Neclaritate gaussiană will probably be nb for you :) Tito works in all languages. On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Cristian Secară li...@secarica.ro wrote: În data de Tue, 1 May 2012 10:55:44 +0530, Srihari Sriraman a scris: Why not merge it and let the users explore it and maybe it will spur new ideas? From what I understand, this is a tool that provides a kind of shortcuts based on English names of GIMP tools. If this is correct, then Tito is useful only for English-speaking peoples. For me it is pretty useless, as it is equally difficult to remember where a deeep menu is, or remember a shorcut name (like gb for Neclaritate gaussiană or adjust for Dimensiune de canava). I mean it may be very useful for many, but as default inclusion in a program that provides international support with its translated interface, hmm. Cristi -- Cristian Secară http://www.secarica.ro ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list -- * * *Regards, * *Srihari Sriraman * ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?
În data de Thu, 3 May 2012 19:10:01 +0530, Srihari Sriraman a scris: Neclaritate gaussiană will probably be nb for you :) Where I am supposed to know this ? Cristi -- Cristian Secară http://www.secarica.ro ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?
My bad... Neclaritate gaussiană will be ng. just the beginning letters of the words. Tito will list the other possibilities of ng too. If you have used Neclaritate gaussiană from Tito before, it will be the first result and you can just hit enter. Still, this is a simple idea. Perhaps we could let users assign keys for their favourite actions? Maybe even let them choose multiple actions (Ex: Show grid + Snap to grid + Configure grid) at once? Tito could throw up a lot of such ideas... On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Cristian Secară li...@secarica.ro wrote: În data de Thu, 3 May 2012 19:10:01 +0530, Srihari Sriraman a scris: Neclaritate gaussiană will probably be nb for you :) Where I am supposed to know this ? Cristi -- Cristian Secară http://www.secarica.ro ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list -- * * *Regards, * *Srihari Sriraman * ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?
Not a developer but +1 - would love to try it! Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype) On 2012-05-01 01:25, Srihari Sriraman wrote: Why not merge it and let the users explore it and maybe it will spur new ideas? ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?
I'll just clarify a couple of things here: but I'm not sure about the placement of the widget.. ..I don't think the transparency is necessary either. Placement clearly is a preference. People might even want to change where Tito appears wrt what they're working on. So we've made it adjustable in the preferences. Similarly for transparency. We've looked at HUD. You could say the mac help system also does something similar. HUD works only based on the Unity's global menu. And Gnome hasn't planned on developing something like the HUD yet. Besides, the idea here is to tightly bond with the gimp so we can customize needs rather than leave it to the desktop environment. Even right now, Tito has gimp specific features that the HUD doesn't. (See specs). Tito has the potential to grow more useful than the HUD can be wrt gimp. uses resources and increase the size of the application Tito is quite light weight. Like the procedure browser... :) On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:28 PM, gespert...@gmail.com gespert...@gmail.comwrote: Oh, forgot to mention but it's important: Ubuntu just released 12.04 with a new feature: HUD. It basically does the same than TITO, but globally, with almost every application (GIMP included). There's a risk of TITO becoming obsolete if distributions follow the same path and implement a global menu search tool. I guess that's something to be considered too. If GIMP includes TITO and next year all the major linux distributions have something like Ubuntu's HUD, then we'll have something redundant that uses resources and increase the size of the application with no benefit at all. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list -- * * *Regards, * *Srihari Sriraman * ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?
There will always be users of minimalist distros such as Archlinux (like myself) who may choose to avoid global UI fluff like that. And Windows and Mac users may not see something similar for some time. As long as Gimp's own mechanism isn't intrusive and can be completely ignored if the user wishes to, I don't think redundancy with Ubuntu should be an issue. - Reply message - From: gespert...@gmail.com gespert...@gmail.com To: Alec Burgess bura...@gmail.com Cc: gimp-developer gimp-developer-list@gnome.org Subject: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:58 am Oh, forgot to mention but it's important: Ubuntu just released 12.04 with a new feature: HUD. It basically does the same than TITO, but globally, with almost every application (GIMP included). There's a risk of TITO becoming obsolete if distributions follow the same path and implement a global menu search tool. I guess that's something to be considered too. If GIMP includes TITO and next year all the major linux distributions have something like Ubuntu's HUD, then we'll have something redundant that uses resources and increase the size of the application with no benefit at all. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?
On 05/01/2012 05:58 PM, gespert...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, forgot to mention but it's important: Ubuntu just released 12.04 with a new feature: HUD. It basically does the same than TITO, but globally, with almost every application (GIMP included). There's a risk of TITO becoming obsolete if distributions follow the same path and implement a global menu search tool. I guess that's something to be considered too. If GIMP includes TITO and next year all the major linux distributions have something like Ubuntu's HUD, then we'll have something redundant that uses resources and increase the size of the application with no benefit at all. According to Sourceforge, 71-73% of the people that get my Gimp python plugins are using Windows (I get these very similar figures on three differents SF projects). The best Linux ratio is 25%. And since it's python, the figure is biased towards Linux. These users can't depend on HUD. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
Re: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?
I'm not using Ubuntu either and I'm not saying it's a problem right now, but it could be if trends move to a menu like that in different operating systems. AFAIK gnome isn't planning a HUD-like feature, but it's moving to a kind of global menu for certain applications (check the Web application in Gnome 3.4) It's not an issue now, but it could be in a near future, so I wanted to point this out. ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
[Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?
Hi, Note: This is a little off from the topic of Update on Tito [1]; hence the new thread. Is the menu search, aka 'Tito' good enough to be merged into the gimp? (See [3] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28366148/TITO-Specifications for list of features and [2] http://youtu.be/G0PuH1LFWhA?hd=1 for a demo) From the discussions with guiguru, it is quite apparent that Tito in its current help/explore form will be very useful. We have however been unable to make those few changes (mac like interface) that he suggested. (See pitfalls in [3]). We don't think there is much more we can add/change in the menu search. And we've fixed all known bugs. Why not merge it and let the users explore it and maybe it will spur new ideas? [1] Updates thread http://www.gimpusers.com/forums/gimp-developer/14142-an-update-on-the-menu-search [2] Demo http://youtu.be/G0PuH1LFWhA?hd=1 [3] Specs http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28366148/TITO-Specifications [4] Code https://github.com/ssvz4/gimp-tito -- Srihari Sriraman ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
