Re: [Gimp-developer] Status Update on Redesign

[Pat David]

Ok, some thoughts.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 12:49 PM Akkana Peck  wrote:

>
> I wasn't sure either, but it's worth noting that the libreoffice
> download page at
> http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/?version=5.0.1
> (I'm not sure if that's the same page as the one Andrew likes --
> different URL) doesn't need javascript or jquery for OS detection.
> Even with noscript, it correctly shows me a download button for Linux
> x86. Presumably it's doing server-side checking of the browser's
> User-Agent.
>
> Personally, I'd be fine with Pat's suggestion of just having links
> at the top, but server-side user agent detection is a nice touch.
>

It seems everyone is a fan of this, so I'll spend some time finding an
optimal way to do this.  I'll start with styling the base page, and then
progressively enhance it with OS detection.


> On the Downloads page, the page content is responsive but the image
> at the top forces the page to 900px wide. Maybe that's what Andrew
> is talking about? The rest of the site is very responsive.
>

It's actually the MD5 hashes in the table that are causing the page to be
wider.  I'm going to modify that shortly to hopefully rectify it.


>
> One other issue: the webfonts in the toolbar at the top look awful
> in either Firefox or Chromium on Debian unstable. Debian seems to
> have a problem in general with rendering webfonts -- I've seen it
> on other pages that use them. Screenshot:
> http://shallowsky.com/tmp/gimp-news-screenshot.jpg


Thanks again for catching this.  We're working on it (as you know...) :)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status Update on Redesign

[Andrew Pullins]

>
> > I love these ideas. I'm wondering if they wouldn't all fit better on a
> new
> > page of some sort that can highlight results from the community. I have
> > mostly been focusing on translating the old site first and foremost, and
> to
> > enhance the site with pages as everyone agrees it might be fun to do. We
> > may have to put a section on the front page ("Community" maybe?) that
> will
> > link to a page of submitted, high quality content.
>

Yah this would be a good idea. I know that Inkscape, Mypaint, Krita,
Blender, and even Alchemy has a page that shows off what their software can
do. We had a discussion not too long ago about dethroning Photoshop and
something one of the guys mentioned that he does to get people to use it is
to show them a animated gif of what GIMP can do.  He said that once people
see that GIMP can do a lot of what Photoshop can they actually give GIMP a
try.  It would be nice to see some photo manipulation as well as digital
painting on the site.


> >> + "Interviews" -- with people the is using GIMP as professional tool
> >> (photographers, painters, illustrators, designers, schools, cases,
> >> print-services, universities, etc.);
>

This reminds me of the GIMP magazine. I think that the magazine although I
don't think it is an official GIMP project should be showcased on the main
website.  This would give people who use GIMP a great resource and promote
the magazine.  Each issue could be presented letting people know about the
new release. They are up to like 12 now. They have a lot of interviews from
people who use GIMP every day.


> Please, please, please do this. after seeing other sites do this I can't
> stand when a site shows me every single OS option out there.
>

> Do you mean to do the auto-OS detection, or to not?
>

I meant pealse auto-OS detection. I think it looks much better for a site
to know what OS I am running and then show me the links I need.


> There are only two things I could suggest is that this site is not
> responsive and that is becoming a big thing right now.  don't know how much
> more work it would be to do that but it would be nice.
>
> The site is actually responsive. Try looking at it on a mobile screen,
> tablet, or simply resize your browser window. You'll see that the site and
> content will adapt to the screen size automatically (I'm particularly proud
> of the "High Quality Photo" section, where the text manages to wrap nicely
> around the photo subject). I haven't tested yet, but it should pass the
> Google mobile/responsive tests they are using to prioritize content in
> their searches now (another good reason for the redesign).
>

Ok I used google chrome's inspect element to re-size the window and it was
not responsive.  Looking at it on my phone I see that it is.


>  the second thing is (and I don't know if this is the second step after
> converting all pages to the new format) the site does not look like the old
> site.  It is immediately noticeable that this site has a new style and it
> does not look like the GIMP branding.
>
> This is intentional. I did borrow some colors from the old site, a couple
> of images, and Wilber of course, but otherwise I didn't see a benefit in
> following the old site too much. Other than Wilber and the occasional
> graphic, I didn't think there was a strong branding per se. With that being
> said, I will absolutely consider any elements that anyone thinks are
> important to branding, and find a way to get it integrated!
>

Whether we like it or not I think GIMP has a brand and people are used to
it. Brands can but I think keeping some of the old look would be good.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status Update on Redesign

[Akkana Peck]

Pat David writes:
Pat> Downloads Page
Pat> I'm a bit conflicted about this.  I understand that we used to use jquery
Pat> to try and guess the OS the visitor was on, and present them with a
Pat> sub-section of the downloads page.
Pat>
Pat> I am almost thinking that perhaps we can simply present users with clearly
Pat> marked links at the top of the Downloads page to choose which OS they would
Pat> like a download for?  Any objections to going this route?

Andrew Pullins writes:
Andrew> Please, please, please do this. after seeing other sites do this I can't
Andrew> stand when a site shows me every single OS option out there.  
LibreOffice
Andrew> has a really nice download page
Andrew> 
.
Andrew> Not only does it give you a great big download button for your OS but it
Andrew> but it gives you the option to download it through torent, slect a 
differnt
Andrew> OS, change the version you are downloading, provides source code, [ ... 
]

Pat David writes:
Pat> Do you mean to do the auto-OS detection, or to not?

I wasn't sure either, but it's worth noting that the libreoffice
download page at
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/?version=5.0.1
(I'm not sure if that's the same page as the one Andrew likes --
different URL) doesn't need javascript or jquery for OS detection.
Even with noscript, it correctly shows me a download button for Linux
x86. Presumably it's doing server-side checking of the browser's User-Agent.

Personally, I'd be fine with Pat's suggestion of just having links
at the top, but server-side user agent detection is a nice touch.

Andrew> There are only two things I could suggest is that this site is not
Andrew> responsive and that is becoming a big thing right now.  don't know how 
much
Andrew> more work it would be to do that but it would be nice.

Pat> The site is actually responsive. Try looking at it on a mobile screen,

On the Downloads page, the page content is responsive but the image
at the top forces the page to 900px wide. Maybe that's what Andrew
is talking about? The rest of the site is very responsive.

One other issue: the webfonts in the toolbar at the top look awful
in either Firefox or Chromium on Debian unstable. Debian seems to
have a problem in general with rendering webfonts -- I've seen it
on other pages that use them. Screenshot:
http://shallowsky.com/tmp/gimp-news-screenshot.jpg

...Akkana
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status Update on Redesign

[Pat David]

I think that just the previous news item with a link to the news page would
be best. I really like the way the rest of the sections look. makes it look
much more like a site an artist would like to go to.

Fantastic! I was going for something a little more modern and visually
pleasing to folks that might not necessarily be programmers or deep into
F/OSS.

It would be great to advertise this specially since I don't think the
current site mentions it. It might also be cool to see three or four of the
most populer plugins like you did with the "Key Component in a Desktop
Publishing Workflow" section.  short description and maybe an image showing
it off.

I agree, and I'll give a little thought to what would be good to showcase
here (or to cycle through possibly).


Please, please, please do this. after seeing other sites do this I can't
stand when a site shows me every single OS option out there.

Do you mean to do the auto-OS detection, or to not?

There are only two things I could suggest is that this site is not
responsive and that is becoming a big thing right now.  don't know how much
more work it would be to do that but it would be nice.

The site is actually responsive. Try looking at it on a mobile screen,
tablet, or simply resize your browser window. You'll see that the site and
content will adapt to the screen size automatically (I'm particularly proud
of the "High Quality Photo" section, where the text manages to wrap nicely
around the photo subject). I haven't tested yet, but it should pass the
Google mobile/responsive tests they are using to prioritize content in
their searches now (another good reason for the redesign).

 the second thing is (and I don't know if this is the second step after
converting all pages to the new format) the site does not look like the old
site.  It is immediately noticeable that this site has a new style and it
does not look like the GIMP branding.

This is intentional. I did borrow some colors from the old site, a couple
of images, and Wilber of course, but otherwise I didn't see a benefit in
following the old site too much. Other than Wilber and the occasional
graphic, I didn't think there was a strong branding per se. With that being
said, I will absolutely consider any elements that anyone thinks are
important to branding, and find a way to get it integrated!

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 8:40 PM Andrew Pullins 
wrote:

> 1. Should we include news items higher up on the page?  I am not quite sure
>> how best to incorporate news items on the main page.  Possibly as a small
>> list of headlines to latest posts?  Only the most recent post + a link to
>> the "News" archive page?  Any thoughts on this?
>>
>
> I think that just the previous news item with a link to the news page
> would be best. I really like the way the rest of the sections look. makes
> it look much more like a site an artist would like to go to.
>
> 2. I was thinking about highlighting the fact that GIMP is extensible
>> through scripts and plug-ins.  Any input on this that I can add to a
>> section on the front page?
>>
>
> It would be great to advertise this specially since I don't think the
> current site mentions it. It might also be cool to see three or four of the
> most populer plugins like you did with the "Key Component in a Desktop
> Publishing Workflow" section.  short description and maybe an image showing
> it off.
>
> Downloads Page
>> I'm a bit conflicted about this.  I understand that we used to use jquery
>> to try and guess the OS the visitor was on, and present them with a
>> sub-section of the downloads page.
>>
>> I am almost thinking that perhaps we can simply present users with clearly
>> marked links at the top of the Downloads page to choose which OS they
>> would
>> like a download for?  Any objections to going this route?
>>
>
> Please, please, please do this. after seeing other sites do this I can't
> stand when a site shows me every single OS option out there.  LibreOffice
> has a really nice download page
> .
> Not only does it give you a great big download button for your OS but it
> but it gives you the option to download it through torent, slect a differnt
> OS, change the version you are downloading, provides source code, change
> the language of the off line help, gives links to usefull info such as How
> do I install LibreOffice?
> System requirements, and Extensions as well when you click the link it
> redirects you to a donation page. Don't know if you want to do that but it
> does remind people that GIMP is made by people taking their time and money
> to make GIMP.
>
> There are only two things I could suggest is that this site is not
> responsive and that is becoming a big thing right now.  don't know how much
> more work it would be to do that but it would be nice.  the second thing is
> (and I don't know if this is the second step after converting all pages to
>

Re: [Gimp-developer] Status Update on Redesign

[Pat David]

Accidentally replied off-list, putting it back on-list here.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:29 AM Pat David  wrote:

> Hi Americo! Thank you for the kind words, it's been quite fun to work on!
>
>
> + "Interviews" -- with people the is using GIMP as professional tool
> + "Made with GIMP"
> + "Trend GIMP discussion"
>
> + "Videos and Animation 2D and 3D"
>
> I love these ideas. I'm wondering if they wouldn't all fit better on a new
> page of some sort that can highlight results from the community. I have
> mostly been focusing on translating the old site first and foremost, and to
> enhance the site with pages as everyone agrees it might be fun to do. We
> may have to put a section on the front page ("Community" maybe?) that will
> link to a page of submitted, high quality content.
>
> + "Trend GIMP discussion"
> Is this something similar to the "News" items that we already have?
> Perhaps just expanded a bit with more regular "blog" type posts from the
> team or community in some way? Not sure what the thoughts around this are,
> as I get the feeling that blogging is not a common thing for most of the
> team (not to say that it couldn't happen).
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:25 PM Americo Gobbo 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Pat David  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The Front Page
>>> I have been tinkering with the layout of the front page.  I still need
>>> input or verbiage describing some of the sections, and some opinions on a
>>> couple of things.
>>>
>>> 1. Should we include news items higher up on the page?  I am not quite
>>> sure
>>> how best to incorporate news items on the main page.  Possibly as a small
>>> list of headlines to latest posts?  Only the most recent post + a link to
>>> the "News" archive page?  Any thoughts on this?
>>>
>>> 2. I was thinking about highlighting the fact that GIMP is extensible
>>> through scripts and plug-ins.  Any input on this that I can add to a
>>> section on the front page?
>>
>>
>> The redesign proceeds very well, Patrick great work!
>> I would like to suggest some sections to Front Page:
>>
>> + "Interviews" -- with people the is using GIMP as professional tool
>> (photographers, painters, illustrators, designers, schools, cases,
>> print-services, universities, etc.);
>>
>> + "Made with GIMP" -- a special guest to make a work to front page with
>> GIMP. Would be very interesting to invite different areas to have a
>> collection that could be used to promote GIMP on social networks, meetings,
>> etc...;
>>
>> + "Trend GIMP discussion" or another name to post good articles of the
>> community or the of own staff around the discussion of mailing list or of
>> the difficult aspects of GIMP app, for example., CMYK, Money to developers
>> > crowdfunding, GEGL, etc... ;-);
>>
>> + "Videos and Animation 2D and 3D" -- who is using GIMP to do video
>> animation... for example, Gustavo Deveze is doing.
>>
>
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status Update on Redesign

[Andrew Pullins]

>
> 1. Should we include news items higher up on the page?  I am not quite sure
> how best to incorporate news items on the main page.  Possibly as a small
> list of headlines to latest posts?  Only the most recent post + a link to
> the "News" archive page?  Any thoughts on this?
>

I think that just the previous news item with a link to the news page would
be best. I really like the way the rest of the sections look. makes it look
much more like a site an artist would like to go to.

2. I was thinking about highlighting the fact that GIMP is extensible
> through scripts and plug-ins.  Any input on this that I can add to a
> section on the front page?
>

It would be great to advertise this specially since I don't think the
current site mentions it. It might also be cool to see three or four of the
most populer plugins like you did with the "Key Component in a Desktop
Publishing Workflow" section.  short description and maybe an image showing
it off.

Downloads Page
> I'm a bit conflicted about this.  I understand that we used to use jquery
> to try and guess the OS the visitor was on, and present them with a
> sub-section of the downloads page.
>
> I am almost thinking that perhaps we can simply present users with clearly
> marked links at the top of the Downloads page to choose which OS they would
> like a download for?  Any objections to going this route?
>

Please, please, please do this. after seeing other sites do this I can't
stand when a site shows me every single OS option out there.  LibreOffice
has a really nice download page
.
Not only does it give you a great big download button for your OS but it
but it gives you the option to download it through torent, slect a differnt
OS, change the version you are downloading, provides source code, change
the language of the off line help, gives links to usefull info such as How
do I install LibreOffice?
System requirements, and Extensions as well when you click the link it
redirects you to a donation page. Don't know if you want to do that but it
does remind people that GIMP is made by people taking their time and money
to make GIMP.

There are only two things I could suggest is that this site is not
responsive and that is becoming a big thing right now.  don't know how much
more work it would be to do that but it would be nice.  the second thing is
(and I don't know if this is the second step after converting all pages to
the new format) the site does not look like the old site.  It is
immediately noticeable that this site has a new style and it does not look
like the GIMP branding.

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