Re: [Gimp-gui] Suggestion about the loading window

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Fulvio Massimo Mariani wrote:

> All looks nice (and font loading is now much faster), but please, and this
> is the purpose of the post, consider to use a neat, minimal Logo opening.
> The actual loading window is not at the level of the software and its specs.
> Look for a designer to draw and compose a minimal/material Design for your
> app loading screen, because of the perception of the app starts from this
> screen (the actual loading window is not goo, really).

We might indeed benefit from being more proactive rather than simply
taking whatever funky splash screen we are being sent for an unstable
release.

We still do pick non-controversial and nicely designed splash screens
for stable releases though.

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-gui] Suggestion about the loading window

[Jehan]

Hi,

On 2017-09-23 14:39, marty wrote:

It seems a small percentage are worried about the professionalism of
the appearance of Gimp when using it in specific settings.  Perhaps
one of you could create a cloud directory with alternate splash files
and concerned parties could simply overwrite the local splash
directory with those contents.  Much the same could be done for other
aspects like icons if the app file structure follows typical norms.
Does licensing forbid this?  I doubt it, but don't know off hand.


Licensing doesn't forbid this, quite the opposite.

And we have code to allow this. For splash screens for instance, the 
link I gave earlier actually explains how you can already use any custom 
splashscreen on your installation: https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/


GIMP also allows anyone to install their own themes and icons, and have 
done so for years (just search the web for custom themes for GIMP, you 
have tons of these).


Only thing is that there is not much of a central place for these. There 
used to be the registry but it's down now because of spam and lack of 
maintainance. One of my project has been for years to create a "plug-in 
management" system, so that people can search for any kind of resource, 
be it plug-ins, extensions, brushes, themes, icons, patterns, scripts… 
and install, uninstall and update them in a single click directly from 
GIMP itself (and resource creators would have a place to upload their 
creation).


For the records, if I were to be able to work full-time on GIMP and Free 
Software (which is kind of a failed attempt for now), this would 
definitely be done by now. So I encourage anyone who want to see these 
kind of projects happen in GIMP to contribute to our crowdfunding (see 
below the Patreon and Tipeee links for ZeMarmot project). :-)


Jehan


Rgds,

Marty G

On 09/23/2017 08:04 AM, gregory grey wrote:


Some stuff in https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/ [1] is just
atrocious. Pretending you don't see that yourself is just insulting.
You do realize that "fun" and "7 years old level of aesthetics" is
not the same? One of the things I dig about Darktable is that I can
show it to PS/LR users without being laughed at. It's the icons
story all over again.

On Sep 23, 2017 2:37 AM, "Jehan"  wrote:
Hi,

On 2017-09-22 16:29, Fulvio Massimo Mariani wrote:
Hello.

For the record, I had to manually accept your email because you are
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My name is Fulvio.

I’ve been a Gimp fan since a lot of time ago (I’m a graphic
designer and I do not how to use Photoshop, consider this).

I just downloaded the 2.9 version of the software and checked the
new
features and UI.

All looks nice (and font loading is now much faster), but please,
and
this is the purpose of the post, consider to use a neat, minimal
Logo
opening. The actual loading window is not at the level of the
software
and its specs. Look for a designer to draw and compose a
minimal/material Design for your app loading screen, because of the
perception of the app starts from this screen (the actual loading
window is not goo, really).

I assume you mean the splash image? What don't you like in it? That
it is not serious enough?

Though in theory I don't really disagree that some kind of fancy
"simple/minimal" design can be nice, I don't believe this to be that
important. We had by the past people wanting to make GIMP a
"product", something "professional looking" and whatnot. And this
one experience I am thinking about was not a pleasant experience to
me, at all. In the end, I appreciate that some people can have some
fun while making GIMP (especially since it's done on most parts as
voluntary work) rather than making boring corporate images. As long
as the software itself is actually good, professional and does well
what it is supposed to do, does it really matter that the splash
image is usually a fun image contributed by various artists?
This is even more true for 2.9 which is a dev version (therefore
allows even more fun), but even stable versions used to have more or
less interesting/funny designs: https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/
[1]

This being said, as I said, our splash screens are indeed
contributed by various artists and we definitely welcome more
contributions there. If you want to propose a splash for a next dev
version, please be our guest. Next splash could be yours. :-)
Yet know that it won't stop us from also accepting other funky
splash images when they will be contributed as well.

Have a nice day.

I just wanted to suggest something)

Thanks for this. This mailing list is indeed the right venue to
propose a splash screen for a further version.
We look forward to any contribution from you or any artist
(painter, designer, photograph…) who has an idea for 

Re: [Gimp-gui] Suggestion about the loading window

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 3:04 PM, gregory grey wrote:
> Some stuff in https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/  is just atrocious.
> Pretending you don't see that yourself is just insulting.

I was under the impression that you have left all our mailing lists,
disgusted and disillusioned. Imagine my surprise to discover that you
haven't.

> It's the icons story all over again.

No idea what icons story you are talking about, but if you have a
splash screen to contribute, we'll happily review your submission.

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-gui] Suggestion about the loading window

[Jehan]

Hi,

On 2017-09-23 14:04, gregory grey wrote:

Some stuff in https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/ [3]  is just
atrocious. Pretending you don't see that yourself is just insulting.


Where did I say anything like this? Where did I even say anything about 
the art at all. I haven't given my opinion on the artworks there, and 
that's on purpose.


To be clear, I am not fond of some of the splash screens either, but 
that's ok. That's not for me (or others) to be the policymaker of what 
is good or not.
Anyway you should consider that putting words in other people's mouth 
can also be considered as "insulting".



You do realize that "fun" and "7 years old level of aesthetics" is not
the same? One of the things I dig about Darktable is that I can show
it to PS/LR users without being laughed at.


I don't understand what you want to "show". When we work on projects, we 
don't show our programs. Nobody care about the programs we use. They 
only consider the finale artwork.
Also calling other people's artworks "atrocious" and "7 year old level 
of aesthetics" can also be considered "insulting", can't it?



It's the icons story all
over again.


I don't understand this kind of statement.

GIMP is made by everyone who wants to contribute. We are seriously 
undermanned (I would say "understaffed", but since there are no salaries 
for anyone, and the only 2 people — Pippin and I — who are trying to get 
crowdfunded get bare minimum, that would not be proper to call anyone 
"staff").
Anyone is more than welcome to contribute code, icons, themes, 
documentation, website text and images, tutorials, splash screen, their 
time, their skills, and more…


So yeah as a conclusion, there are no "stories". Please if anyone has 
propositions to improve things, be our guests. Contribute. Send patches 
and stuff. This would be more constructive. But please let's refrain 
from insulting others and their work.

Thanks.

Jehan


On Sep 23, 2017 2:37 AM, "Jehan"  wrote:


Hi,

On 2017-09-22 16:29, Fulvio Massimo Mariani wrote:


Hello.


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My name is Fulvio.

I’ve been a Gimp fan since a lot of time ago (I’m a graphic
designer and I do not how to use Photoshop, consider this).

I just downloaded the 2.9 version of the software and checked the
new
features and UI.

All looks nice (and font loading is now much faster), but please,
and
this is the purpose of the post, consider to use a neat, minimal
Logo
opening. The actual loading window is not at the level of the
software
and its specs. Look for a designer to draw and compose a
minimal/material Design for your app loading screen, because of
the
perception of the app starts from this screen (the actual loading
window is not goo, really).


I assume you mean the splash image? What don't you like in it? That
it is not serious enough?

Though in theory I don't really disagree that some kind of fancy
"simple/minimal" design can be nice, I don't believe this to be that
important. We had by the past people wanting to make GIMP a
"product", something "professional looking" and whatnot. And this
one experience I am thinking about was not a pleasant experience to
me, at all. In the end, I appreciate that some people can have some
fun while making GIMP (especially since it's done on most parts as
voluntary work) rather than making boring corporate images. As long
as the software itself is actually good, professional and does well
what it is supposed to do, does it really matter that the splash
image is usually a fun image contributed by various artists?
This is even more true for 2.9 which is a dev version (therefore
allows even more fun), but even stable versions used to have more or
less interesting/funny designs: https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/
[3]

This being said, as I said, our splash screens are indeed
contributed by various artists and we definitely welcome more
contributions there. If you want to propose a splash for a next dev
version, please be our guest. Next splash could be yours. :-)
Yet know that it won't stop us from also accepting other funky
splash images when they will be contributed as well.


Have a nice day.

I just wanted to suggest something)


Thanks for this. This mailing list is indeed the right venue to
propose a splash screen for a further version.
We look forward to any contribution from you or any artist
(painter, designer, photograph…) who has an idea for a nice splash
screen. :-)

Jehan


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[Gimp-gui] R: Suggestion about the loading window

[Fulvio Massimo Mariani]

Hello Jehan,
thanks for the answer.
I could not register because of the system said my email was not secure (???).
Anyway. I’d like to specify that i wrote only because of I’m a proud fan of 
Gimp and making the splash screen (yes, is what i meant) a little bit cooler 
and fashion in a minalistic way was not a way make critics to the GIMP/GNU 
philosophy.
I said this only because of the whole 2.9 looked to me cool (black and gray), 
minimal and really professional, so I thought a minimal splash screen would be 
the natural consequence of such a chosen style for the 2.9 (dev and stable 
version?). 
@Gregory, I’m not so severe like you, but a sleek UI is nice, both to use and 
to present to clients, I agree with this.

May be I’ll be back whit a proposal. 
Thanks for the consideration and aswers at all.
Fulvio.


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Da: gregory grey
Inviato: sabato 23 settembre 2017 14:04
A: Jehan
Cc: gimp-gui-list@gnome.org; Fulvio Massimo Mariani
Oggetto: Re: [Gimp-gui] Suggestion about the loading window

Some stuff in https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/  is just atrocious. Pretending 
you don't see that yourself is just insulting. You do realize that "fun" and "7 
years old level of aesthetics" is not the same? One of the things I dig about 
Darktable is that I can show it to PS/LR users without being laughed at. It's 
the icons story all over again. 

On Sep 23, 2017 2:37 AM, "Jehan"  wrote:
Hi,

On 2017-09-22 16:29, Fulvio Massimo Mariani wrote:
Hello.

For the record, I had to manually accept your email because you are not 
subscribed to the mailing list. If you want further emails to be directly sent 
to the list subscriber (and not bother admins who have to manually accept 
emails), please consider subscribing: 
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My name is Fulvio.

I’ve been a Gimp fan since a lot of time ago (I’m a graphic
designer and I do not how to use Photoshop, consider this).

I just downloaded the 2.9 version of the software and checked the new
features and UI.

All looks nice (and font loading is now much faster), but please, and
this is the purpose of the post, consider to use a neat, minimal Logo
opening. The actual loading window is not at the level of the software
and its specs. Look for a designer to draw and compose a
minimal/material Design for your app loading screen, because of the
perception of the app starts from this screen (the actual loading
window is not goo, really).

I assume you mean the splash image? What don't you like in it? That it is not 
serious enough?

Though in theory I don't really disagree that some kind of fancy 
"simple/minimal" design can be nice, I don't believe this to be that important. 
We had by the past people wanting to make GIMP a "product", something 
"professional looking" and whatnot. And this one experience I am thinking about 
was not a pleasant experience to me, at all. In the end, I appreciate that some 
people can have some fun while making GIMP (especially since it's done on most 
parts as voluntary work) rather than making boring corporate images. As long as 
the software itself is actually good, professional and does well what it is 
supposed to do, does it really matter that the splash image is usually a fun 
image contributed by various artists?
This is even more true for 2.9 which is a dev version (therefore allows even 
more fun), but even stable versions used to have more or less interesting/funny 
designs: https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/

This being said, as I said, our splash screens are indeed contributed by 
various artists and we definitely welcome more contributions there. If you want 
to propose a splash for a next dev version, please be our guest. Next splash 
could be yours. :-)
Yet know that it won't stop us from also accepting other funky splash images 
when they will be contributed as well.
Have a nice day.

I just wanted to suggest something)

Thanks for this. This mailing list is indeed the right venue to propose a 
splash screen for a further version.
We look forward to any contribution from you or any artist (painter, designer, 
photograph…) who has an idea for a nice splash screen. :-)

Jehan
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Re: [Gimp-gui] Suggestion about the loading window

[Tobias Ellinghaus]

Am Samstag, 23. September 2017, 14:04:58 CEST schrieb gregory grey:
> Some stuff in https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/  is just atrocious.
> Pretending you don't see that yourself is just insulting. You do realize
> that "fun" and "7 years old level of aesthetics" is not the same? One of
> the things I dig about Darktable is that I can show it to PS/LR users
> without being laughed at. 

Unless it's April 1st.

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Re: [Gimp-gui] Suggestion about the loading window

[marty]

It seems a small percentage are worried about the professionalism of the 
appearance of Gimp when using it in specific settings. Perhaps one of 
you could create a cloud directory with alternate splash files and 
concerned parties could simply overwrite the local splash directory with 
those contents.  Much the same could be done for other aspects like 
icons if the app file structure follows typical norms.  Does licensing 
forbid this?  I doubt it, but don't know off hand.


Rgds,

Marty G


On 09/23/2017 08:04 AM, gregory grey wrote:
Some stuff in https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/ 
  is just atrocious. Pretending 
you don't see that yourself is just insulting. You do realize that 
"fun" and "7 years old level of aesthetics" is not the same? One of 
the things I dig about Darktable is that I can show it to PS/LR users 
without being laughed at. It's the icons story all over again.


On Sep 23, 2017 2:37 AM, "Jehan" > wrote:


Hi,

On 2017-09-22 16:29, Fulvio Massimo Mariani wrote:

Hello.


For the record, I had to manually accept your email because you
are not subscribed to the mailing list. If you want further emails
to be directly sent to the list subscriber (and not bother admins
who have to manually accept emails), please consider subscribing:
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My name is Fulvio.

I’ve been a Gimp fan since a lot of time ago (I’m a graphic
designer and I do not how to use Photoshop, consider this).

I just downloaded the 2.9 version of the software and checked
the new
features and UI.

All looks nice (and font loading is now much faster), but
please, and
this is the purpose of the post, consider to use a neat,
minimal Logo
opening. The actual loading window is not at the level of the
software
and its specs. Look for a designer to draw and compose a
minimal/material Design for your app loading screen, because
of the
perception of the app starts from this screen (the actual loading
window is not goo, really).


I assume you mean the splash image? What don't you like in it?
That it is not serious enough?

Though in theory I don't really disagree that some kind of fancy
"simple/minimal" design can be nice, I don't believe this to be
that important. We had by the past people wanting to make GIMP a
"product", something "professional looking" and whatnot. And this
one experience I am thinking about was not a pleasant experience
to me, at all. In the end, I appreciate that some people can have
some fun while making GIMP (especially since it's done on most
parts as voluntary work) rather than making boring corporate
images. As long as the software itself is actually good,
professional and does well what it is supposed to do, does it
really matter that the splash image is usually a fun image
contributed by various artists?
This is even more true for 2.9 which is a dev version (therefore
allows even more fun), but even stable versions used to have more
or less interesting/funny designs:
https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/


This being said, as I said, our splash screens are indeed
contributed by various artists and we definitely welcome more
contributions there. If you want to propose a splash for a next
dev version, please be our guest. Next splash could be yours. :-)
Yet know that it won't stop us from also accepting other funky
splash images when they will be contributed as well.

Have a nice day.

I just wanted to suggest something)


Thanks for this. This mailing list is indeed the right venue to
propose a splash screen for a further version.
We look forward to any contribution from you or any artist
(painter, designer, photograph…) who has an idea for a nice splash
screen. :-)

Jehan

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Re: [Gimp-gui] Suggestion about the loading window

[gregory grey]

Some stuff in https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/  is just atrocious.
Pretending you don't see that yourself is just insulting. You do realize
that "fun" and "7 years old level of aesthetics" is not the same? One of
the things I dig about Darktable is that I can show it to PS/LR users
without being laughed at. It's the icons story all over again.

On Sep 23, 2017 2:37 AM, "Jehan"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 2017-09-22 16:29, Fulvio Massimo Mariani wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>
> For the record, I had to manually accept your email because you are not
> subscribed to the mailing list. If you want further emails to be directly
> sent to the list subscriber (and not bother admins who have to manually
> accept emails), please consider subscribing:
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-gui-list
>
> My name is Fulvio.
>>
>> I’ve been a Gimp fan since a lot of time ago (I’m a graphic
>> designer and I do not how to use Photoshop, consider this).
>>
>> I just downloaded the 2.9 version of the software and checked the new
>> features and UI.
>>
>> All looks nice (and font loading is now much faster), but please, and
>> this is the purpose of the post, consider to use a neat, minimal Logo
>> opening. The actual loading window is not at the level of the software
>> and its specs. Look for a designer to draw and compose a
>> minimal/material Design for your app loading screen, because of the
>> perception of the app starts from this screen (the actual loading
>> window is not goo, really).
>>
>
> I assume you mean the splash image? What don't you like in it? That it is
> not serious enough?
>
> Though in theory I don't really disagree that some kind of fancy
> "simple/minimal" design can be nice, I don't believe this to be that
> important. We had by the past people wanting to make GIMP a "product",
> something "professional looking" and whatnot. And this one experience I am
> thinking about was not a pleasant experience to me, at all. In the end, I
> appreciate that some people can have some fun while making GIMP (especially
> since it's done on most parts as voluntary work) rather than making boring
> corporate images. As long as the software itself is actually good,
> professional and does well what it is supposed to do, does it really matter
> that the splash image is usually a fun image contributed by various artists?
> This is even more true for 2.9 which is a dev version (therefore allows
> even more fun), but even stable versions used to have more or less
> interesting/funny designs: https://www.gimp.org/about/splash/
>
> This being said, as I said, our splash screens are indeed contributed by
> various artists and we definitely welcome more contributions there. If you
> want to propose a splash for a next dev version, please be our guest. Next
> splash could be yours. :-)
> Yet know that it won't stop us from also accepting other funky splash
> images when they will be contributed as well.
>
> Have a nice day.
>>
>> I just wanted to suggest something)
>>
>
> Thanks for this. This mailing list is indeed the right venue to propose a
> splash screen for a further version.
> We look forward to any contribution from you or any artist (painter,
> designer, photograph…) who has an idea for a nice splash screen. :-)
>
> Jehan
>
> Inviato da Posta [1] per Windows 10
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