Re: [Gimp-user] CinePaint and Film Gimp
>> Robin, there is really no point in being personally offended here. > > Sven, no need to apologize. I said I wasn't offended. > > Cheers, > > Robin So the merge is on? > --- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hollywood, California > www.CinePaint.org Free motion picture and still image editing software > > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user > ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: CinePaint and Film Gimp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: | On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 01:40:12PM -0700, Daniel Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | |>>with as well - how to take a loosely organized group and work with |>>outside, commercial groups who have more strict rules for interaction. |>>XFree86, Apache, and others all formed boards and/or non-profits to help |>>deal with the situation. I believe its time the GIMP community |>>seriously considered this as well. |>> |>> |> |>it is not mearly being considered. It is happening. | | | I disagree, and think both of you are not talking about the same thing. hmm, I agree with you, if your intrepretation of Mr. Hammel's words are correct. | I know a not-for-profit organization (with no rights to the gimp) is being | created, however, that is very far from "taking a loosely organized group | and work with commercial groups". The planned organization does not take | the gimp group to do anything, as far as I can see. Yes, you are right. - -- Dan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/ZnT/ad4P1+ZAZk0RAqB8AJ4/C7vKcsPcnzL7QZjvRQmw2L8T1ACcCsbW b3YlZEGetOd8OdENMtZmMbU= =+Ws6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: CinePaint and Film Gimp
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 01:40:12PM -0700, Daniel Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >with as well - how to take a loosely organized group and work with > >outside, commercial groups who have more strict rules for interaction. > >XFree86, Apache, and others all formed boards and/or non-profits to help > >deal with the situation. I believe its time the GIMP community > >seriously considered this as well. > > > > > > it is not mearly being considered. It is happening. I disagree, and think both of you are not talking about the same thing. I know a not-for-profit organization (with no rights to the gimp) is being created, however, that is very far from "taking a loosely organized group and work with commercial groups". The planned organization does not take the gimp group to do anything, as far as I can see. -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | | ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: CinePaint and Film Gimp
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 03:09:32PM -0500, "Michael J. Hammel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > XFree86, Apache, and others all formed boards and/or non-profits to help > deal with the situation. I believe its time the GIMP community > seriously considered this as well. We should also consider that xfree86 currently falls aparts exactly because of the board (and wrecks for quite some time already). And many other projects live fine without boards, too. GCC (one of the largest free software projects) did fine, too, for a very long time. Apache probably has less problems because they try very hard not do decide things over the heads of other people. Boards are a concept alien to free software projects, since boards work like "we decide, you do the work", which might work in corporate structures, but doesn't work at all in free software environments. Non-profit organizations are, on the other hand, often seperated from the project itself (esp. for the Gimp, as the developers feel afaics strongly against handing over the rights to the code to such an organization, which means it would have no rights at all to the gimp). Recently I hear a lot about "target audience" and "have to work with the industry" and similar ideas. In my opinion, this has exactly zero relevance. The question to ask is: how would a board/non-profit-org help the _developers_. One can create boards as much as one likes, this won't change nor create a single line of code or code-change. And if it doesn't help the people who write the code (e.g. by getting specifications or the like), then I don't see why such a thing should be founded in the first place. So what are the benefits of a board for the developers? How would that help them? How would such a board counter the frustration on the side of developers that a board exists that has power but no obilgations? Where does it get it's rights from? Who has to submit to it's decisions? How is it elected (if at all)? -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | | ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] CinePaint and Film Gimp
> Robin, there is really no point in being personally offended here. Sven, no need to apologize. I said I wasn't offended. Cheers, Robin --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hollywood, California www.CinePaint.org Free motion picture and still image editing software ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] filmgimp and gap
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:37:11 -0400 Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > can someone add png and mng support to it? both png and mng have that > comment space :) > Hello Carol, Now that MNG is supported in Gimp 1.3 you can create MNG animations with the GAP, follow Jimmac tut : http://jimmac.musichall.cz/tutor2.php3 I made this one with the Gap : http://gug.sunsite.dk/pictures/1040666463.gif Should not be a problem now to save it as MNG. @+ Raymond ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] CinePaint and Film Gimp
I can't unsubscribe because of the crappy mailman system. All I get is an error. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sven Neumann Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:17 AM To: Robin Rowe Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] CinePaint and Film Gimp Hi, > For you to suggest today that the problem was me not communicating > enough shows real cheek. The person out of the loop is you. You have > admitted you have no clue what happened to Film Gimp in 2000 when it > was killed or in 2002 when it was resurrected, but that doesn't stop > you from publicizing a negative opinion of it and me. Robin, there is really no point in being personally offended here. I didn't say a bad word about you nor about filmgimp or cinepaint. Why do you make this a personal flame war? I am not going to follow you on this road. OK, then let's state my point again in a few simple words so that you have a better chance to understand them. I have been on the gimp-developer mailing-list since 1997. Before your reply I wasn't even aware that there was a film-gimp list at some point in time. During all this time, all I heard about film-gimp was some rumours. I might have missed something, but I personally don't remember any discussion among GIMP developers about a film-gimp merge. I haven't claimed anyone being guilty for this, I only state that, as far as I know, no serious discussion about film-gimp and if and how to merge it, ever took place. And I asked you (and still do) not to state publically that such a discussion would have happened. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
