[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] The GIMP Foundation
Hi, Nathan Carl Summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In my mind one of the major reasons to have a Gimp Foundation is to put > all of our IP ducks in a row. As I've said before I don't think that > having contributors sign over copyright to TGF would be the best plan. > Instead, I would like to see the ability to give TGF power-of-attorney to > sue copyright violators in their behalf. Does IP mean what I think it means? Let's hope it doesn't because there simply is no such thing as intellectual property. Knowledge must not belong to anyone. If sueing copyright violators is the main goal, I'd rather let the Free Software Foundation do this job. It is probably in a lot better position when it should ever come to a law-suit. Also, so far the FSF has done a great job at funding our developer conferences. So we should really have good reasons to form our own foundation since I don't expect the FSF to grant any more fundings as soon as The GIMP Foundation has been created. This is not a vote against the TGF; it's just something to keep in mind... Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Vol 18, Issue 6
Hi, Jared Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > who does the website? Sorry, but what exactly are you trying to ask? What web-site? What do you mean when you say 'who does the website'? I think I explained the situation about the different GIMP websites earlier today. Perhaps you want to read that mail. It might answer your rather obscure question. Oh, and please, don't quote the full digest. It is considered bad style to quote more than you write. Please consider to respect the netiquette on the GIMP mailing lists. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Gimp-user Digest, Vol 18, Issue 6
who does the website? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Gimp-user mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Gimp-user digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Press pack requests (Alan Horkan) 2. Re: The GIMP Foundation (Dave Neary) 3. Re: Press pack requests (Dave Neary) 4. Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] The GIMP Foundation (Daniel Rogers) 5. Re: release date(s) & gimp PR problems (Sven Neumann) 6. Re: Press pack requests (Sven Neumann) 7. Re: Press pack requests (raymond ostertag) 8. 3D Image (Alf C Stockton) 9. building pre4 on Mandrake 9.2 (Thomas Spuhler) 10. Re: building pre4 on Mandrake 9.2 (Sven Neumann) 11. Re: building pre4 on Mandrake 9.2 (Thomas Spuhler) -- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:47:00 + (GMT) From: Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: GIMPUser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Dave Neary wrote: Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:31:53 +0100 From: Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gimp Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GIMPUser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests Hi all, The 2.0 release is getting closer, and there are still some thing missing from the press pack we want to send out. - Could native english speakers who have a few minutes please look at the "What's new in GIMP 2.0" page (http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WhatsNew) and correct any grammar problems? The document starts with a TODO note that hopefully will be removed User Interface section of the document http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WhatsNew#head-d2a749c5087fa0d474be006f8799a732aae0e9b5 (hrrm relative link doesn't seem to work). "Be careful, though, not to use existing keyboard accelerator sequences. [OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN?]" What will happen is that you will get the new keybinding you have requested and the old one will quietly and without warning be removed and no longer have that keybinding. (the next sentence 'probably' needs to be changed and as it mentions replacing the menurc it would be much more helpful if it clearly stated what exactly you replace it with and how, that is you can replace it by removing menurc and renaming ps-menurc to menurc) The section 'Other Improvements' has an item [WHAT OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS] that should be removed. Perhaps replace it with a link to the full changelog? I cannot see any grammatical errors but that doesn't mean there aren't any all that is really needed is a little editorial cleanup. However as a user I'm fascinated by part of the closing statement "Gimp can already do many things that are difficult or impossible with Photoshop" and I would love if the author or anyone else could elaborate on this. It would make a very good pulicity piece to accompany the release notes. - high-res screenshots of The GIMP showing new features are welcome. Examples of the kind of screenshots which are interesting are here: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/private/gimp-2/html/index.xhtml http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots.html weird. mozilla (at the top of the browser tab) says the following screenshot is PNG http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots/gimp-text.jpeg - Alan H -- Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:08:33 +0100 From: Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gimp Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: GIMPUser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] The GIMP Foundation Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Daniel Rogers wrote: Avoid self-dealing. What's this? Be honest. Is this true of every board? Even Halliburton? 1. Will TGF have members? I am talking about members with voting privledges, like I described above. (my vote is yes, btw) Yes. 2. Should the membership be paid? (my vote is yes, for like $50 a year or some toher small amount. It helps for tax purposes). Why not - this is also common in France. That means setting up paypal I guess... Although the GNOME foundation have a membership policy which fits in better with the Open Source model - there is a membership committee, which co
Re: [Gimp-user] building pre4 on Mandrake 9.2
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 12:08, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > Thomas Spuhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I am trying to build an rpm on Mandrake 9.2 but get the following major > > errors: > > Are you trying to use the included spec file? That is not going to > work, it is Fedora specific. Yes, that is what I did. I changed the requires to the Mandrake names > You will need to use a spec file for > Mandrake. Does anybody have a working Mandrake spec file? > > And don't expect the gimp.spec file from the pre-releases to be in the > final 2.0 tarball. It will most likely not be there. > > > Sven > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- Best Regards Thomas J Spuhler All Tusonix outgoing e-mail has been scanned for viruses signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Gimp-user] building pre4 on Mandrake 9.2
Hi, Thomas Spuhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am trying to build an rpm on Mandrake 9.2 but get the following major > errors: Are you trying to use the included spec file? That is not going to work, it is Fedora specific. You will need to use a spec file for Mandrake. And don't expect the gimp.spec file from the pre-releases to be in the final 2.0 tarball. It will most likely not be there. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] building pre4 on Mandrake 9.2
I am trying to build an rpm on Mandrake 9.2 but get the following major errors: + exit 0 Processing files: gimp-devel-2.0pre4-1 error: File not found by glob: /home/international/rpmbuild/tmp/gimp-2.0pre4-root/usr/lib/*.so error: File not found by glob: /home/international/rpmbuild/tmp/gimp-2.0pre4-root/usr/lib/*.a error: File not found by glob: /home/international/rpmbuild/tmp/gimp-2.0pre4-root/usr/lib/gimp/1.3/modules/*.a Processing files: gimp-docs-2.0pre4-1 Finding Provides: /usr/lib/rpm/filter.sh ' ' /usr/lib/rpm/find-provides Using BuildRoot: /home/international/rpmbuild/tmp/gimp-2.0pre4-root to search libs Finding Requires: /usr/lib/rpm/filter.sh ' ' /usr/lib/rpm/find-requires /home/international/rpmbuild/tmp/gimp-2.0pre4-root i586 Requires(rpmlib): rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 Where do I get this rmplib from? I tried to search but w/o luck -- Best Regards Thomas J Spuhler All Tusonix outgoing e-mail has been scanned for viruses signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Gimp-user] 3D Image
I have a flat image to which I wish to add a border to make it look 3d. Please tell me how to do this. I would like the border to be outside the actual image so that all of the original image is still showing. --- Regards, Alf Stocktonwww.stockton.co.za An Englishman never enjoys himself, except for a noble purpose. -- A. P. Herbert ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests
Le lun 08/03/2004 à 17:38, Dave Neary a écrit : > > However as a user I'm fascinated by part of the closing statement > > "Gimp can already do many things that are difficult or impossible with > > Photoshop" and I would love if the author or anyone else could elaborate > > on this. It would make a very good pulicity piece to accompany the > > release notes. > > I'm not sure what Raymond had in mind. Raymond? Que dis-tu? > I did'nt write this. I often avoid to speak or compare Gimp to Photoshop. The Chapter "11.Coming soon" is a new Chapter added by someone on the Wiki. What I wrote is : Historiquement Gimp 2.0 devait apporter la touche « professionnelle » qui lui manque, à savoir le support natif du format CMJN et le 16 bits/canal pour la vidéo. Il n'en sera rien, il y a déjà quelques années le choix des développeurs de Gimp s'est porté sur un projet à moyen terme de librairies graphiques de nouvelle génération, projet nommé GEGL. Mais comme dans le monde du libre les projets n'avancent pas forcément à l'allure souhaitée, les librairies GEGL ne seront finalement intégrées qu'au cours de la vie de Gimp 2, pour la version 2.4. --- translated by Eric in : Initially, Gimp 2.0 would include the "professionnal" touch that the previous releases are missing: native support for CMYK and 16 bits/channel for video editing. This features will not appear now, as Gimp developpers choose to work on a medium-term project; this project is new generation graphical libraries called GEGL. But in free software, projects have planning of their own, and GEGL will be included during Gimp 2 stable cycle, maybe release 2.4. an it was in the introduction not at the end of the document. @+ Raymond ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests
Hi Alan, the idea of a Wiki is that you edit the page directly. I think that would be easier and more helpful than commenting on it. Perhaps we should have made this clear... > weird. mozilla (at the top of the browser tab) says the following > screenshot is PNG > http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots/gimp-text.jpeg I'll have a look at why this happens. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] release date(s) & gimp PR problems
Hi, Thomas Spuhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I agree with you that the mmmaybe.gimp.org site looks much better > than the original. But also this one looks outdated. It probably > will be difficult to find anybody using DocBook/xml Don't confuse things, please. DocBook/XML is used for developer.gimp.org, not for mmmaybe.gimp.org. Also Docbook/XML is quite commonly used nowadays. We use it for the GIMP API reference manuals and the gimp-help-2 project writes help for GIMP-2.0 using DocBook/XML. For most things it's quite straightforward, it's a standard and it is well documented. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] The GIMP Foundation
On Mar 8, 2004, at 8:25 AM, Kelly Martin wrote: Dave Neary wrote: Daniel Rogers wrote: Avoid self-dealing. What's this? Self-dealing is whenever the people who control the organization command the organization to do business with themselves in their personal capacity. Self-dealing "tears the veil" and makes the director or officer who engages in it personally liable for the corporation's debt by creating the presumption that the corporation is an "alter ego" of the individual. In the case of a non-profit, it also violates the rule against private inurement. this is true, but it deals more directly with, as a board member, arranging a deal between The GIMP foundation and a board member. Self-dealing is when, for example, you own some property that you wish to sell to TGF and you are on TGF board. You have to do some full disclousure, follow very specific rules, and making too much money is frowned upon. Really it is not so much about avoidance (but that helps) as much as it is about following the rules. California and the US are very picky about making sure that non-profits are not used as a vehical to profit the board members. It means, inter alia, that the directors of the non-profit cannot also receive money from it except possibly a small stipend and reimbursement of their expenses in attending board meetings and other organization functions. Being a member of the board of a non-profit organization is charity work: you generally cannot expect to get paid. this is not true, actually. 51% of the members have to be "disinterested." It means that 51% of the board members cannot themselves or anyone related to them be paid (except the stipend and compensation you mentioned). Related, here, has a very specific definition. It means that if there are four board members, and I am getting paid to hack on gegl by TGF, then none of the other board members can get paid. It also means that if I hire my wife to do some work, then I am "interested" and no one else (or their relatives) on a four person board can get paid. If you're looking to get a job with the GIMP Foundation, you can't also be a member of its board of directors (except as an ex-officio member, which the Executive Director typically would be). This doesn't mean that the Foundation can't hire staff, just that those staff can't be the ones making the ultimate decisions on how to spend the organization's money. Again, this is _not_ true. More than half must be volunteer though. Staff can recommend, but final approval of at least the general budget has to be by the volunteer board. This bit is true, except that the board must simply be more than half volunteer. To do otherwise risks a finding that the organization inures to the benefit of a private party, which destroys non-profit status. There are of course, other ways to destroy non-profit status, such as getting too much regular funding from a single source. I'm very interested in the idea of a Foundation and would love to be a part of one, but I have no expectation of it turning into a personal revenue stream. Again, if you are a board member, you could get a job with TGF. But seeing how TGF, at this point, is not exactly handing out jobs, I would agree with this sentiment. -- Dan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests
Hi Alan, Alan Horkan wrote: - Could native english speakers who have a few minutes please look at the "What's new in GIMP 2.0" page (http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WhatsNew) and correct any grammar problems? The document starts with a TODO note that hopefully will be removed Eventually :) Thanks for your updates, I've integrated them now. By the way, you can do that yourself by clicking on the "EditText" link at the bottom of the page. I have left in the "Other stuff" section, though, since there are lots of really nice features in there. However as a user I'm fascinated by part of the closing statement "Gimp can already do many things that are difficult or impossible with Photoshop" and I would love if the author or anyone else could elaborate on this. It would make a very good pulicity piece to accompany the release notes. I'm not sure what Raymond had in mind. Raymond? Que dis-tu? weird. mozilla (at the top of the browser tab) says the following screenshot is PNG http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots/gimp-text.jpeg Yup, it's a png. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] The GIMP Foundation
Daniel Rogers wrote: Avoid self-dealing. What's this? Be honest. Is this true of every board? Even Halliburton? 1. Will TGF have members? I am talking about members with voting privledges, like I described above. (my vote is yes, btw) Yes. 2. Should the membership be paid? (my vote is yes, for like $50 a year or some toher small amount. It helps for tax purposes). Why not - this is also common in France. That means setting up paypal I guess... Although the GNOME foundation have a membership policy which fits in better with the Open Source model - there is a membership committee, which considers applications for membership on a case-by-case basis based on participation in the community. Membership is reconsidered every 3 years, and is free. 3. Should the membership have additional rights? Aside from voting in the board? Meh... It would be useful to know who is interested in accepting the responsibilites of being a board member (or officer). Me. But a board can only work if the developers and the board work together towards the same goals, so to speak. If the board and the developers are in conflict, it'll bomb, or it'll be a PR disaster. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Dave Neary wrote: > Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:31:53 +0100 > From: Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Gimp Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > GIMPUser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Gimp-user] Press pack requests > > > Hi all, > > The 2.0 release is getting closer, and there are still some thing missing from > the press pack we want to send out. > > - Could native english speakers who have a few minutes please look at the > "What's new in GIMP 2.0" page (http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WhatsNew) and correct > any grammar problems? The document starts with a TODO note that hopefully will be removed User Interface section of the document http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WhatsNew#head-d2a749c5087fa0d474be006f8799a732aae0e9b5 (hrrm relative link doesn't seem to work). "Be careful, though, not to use existing keyboard accelerator sequences. [OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN?]" What will happen is that you will get the new keybinding you have requested and the old one will quietly and without warning be removed and no longer have that keybinding. (the next sentence 'probably' needs to be changed and as it mentions replacing the menurc it would be much more helpful if it clearly stated what exactly you replace it with and how, that is you can replace it by removing menurc and renaming ps-menurc to menurc) The section 'Other Improvements' has an item [WHAT OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS] that should be removed. Perhaps replace it with a link to the full changelog? I cannot see any grammatical errors but that doesn't mean there aren't any all that is really needed is a little editorial cleanup. However as a user I'm fascinated by part of the closing statement "Gimp can already do many things that are difficult or impossible with Photoshop" and I would love if the author or anyone else could elaborate on this. It would make a very good pulicity piece to accompany the release notes. > - high-res screenshots of The GIMP showing new features are welcome. Examples of > the kind of screenshots which are interesting are here: > http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/private/gimp-2/html/index.xhtml > http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots.html weird. mozilla (at the top of the browser tab) says the following screenshot is PNG http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots/gimp-text.jpeg - Alan H ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] release date(s) & gimp PR problems
Sven Neumann wrote: I don't understand why people are ignoring this offer but it looks as if noone is interested in the gimp.org web presence. This is a shame since the new site is in my opinion already a lot better than the current www.gimp.org. So perhaps someone on this list wants to help to get mmmaybe.gimp.org ready for the 2.0 release? What kind of expertise/skill-set is needed to be helpful in this transition? I can give it time if I was directed on what to do, and I know how to do it. I just subscribed to gimp-web and will check out gimp-web from CVS shortly. For what it's worth, I am "interested" in the gimp's web presence. Harish ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] release date(s) & gimp PR problems
On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 05:16, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Void lon iXaarii wrote: > > > PS: gimp seems to me like dead software for the simple reason that > > > the gimp.org seems to be very un-updated: > > > > I agree there are problems with the website. Something should happen > > soon, but unfortunately I have no idea what that will be. Currently, > > no-one is working on the website to my knowledge (either www or > > mmmaybe). > > That's not the full truth actually. Me and Raphael are sometimes > giving www.gimp.org some smaller updates (mainly keeping the News > uptodate and fixing broken links). I would also accept larger updates > and put them online if someone really wants to put any work into the > current site. Please let me know beforehand so I can explain how the > site is generated. > > Then, we started to have a developer web-site at > http://developer.gimp.org/. So far that's mainly Brix and me who have > been working on this. The website is in CVS (module gimp-web-devel) > and everyone is encouraged to help out. The website uses DocBook/XML > but that shouldn't shy you away. It's actually very straight-forward > to add new content to it. If you want to get involved, have a look at > the README that you will receive when you checkout the gimp-web-devel > module. > > Some people started to work on a rewritten gimp.org web-site quite a > while ago. The result of this work is online at > http://mmmaybe.gimp.org/ but for reasons that are too complex to > explain here it did not replace www.gimp.org yet. The original > creators of the new web-site left the project and now it sits there in > the gimp-web CVS module, merely unmaintained and waiting for what > comes next. There's an offer to have it replace www.gimp.org next > weekend but this offer is bound to someone updating mmmaybe.gimp.org > for the 2.0 release (which is supposed to happen at about that time). > I don't understand why people are ignoring this offer but it looks as > if noone is interested in the gimp.org web presence. This is a shame > since the new site is in my opinion already a lot better than the > current www.gimp.org. So perhaps someone on this list wants to help to > get mmmaybe.gimp.org ready for the 2.0 release? > > > Sven > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user I agree with you that the mmmaybe.gimp.org site looks much better than the original. But also this one looks outdated. It probably will be difficult to find anybody using DocBook/xml -- Best Regards Thomas J Spuhler All Tusonix outgoing e-mail has been scanned for viruses signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Gimp-user] more gimp foundation stuff
Here is few notes to address a few more concerns I have encountered, I'll pose them retorically. 1. I heard that some people have been asked to be on the board, why weren't the developers consulted? I'm a developer, why wasn't I asked? Who are these board members? In California every corporation that has not applied and achieved tax-exempt status from the IRS has to pay an 800 dollar "franchise tax." In order to get tax-exempt status, you must meet certain requirements, write your bylaws, have your first board meeting, and attach the bylaws and the minutes of your first meeting to the tax-exempt form and set it to the IRS (and the state franchise tax board). At some point, I needed to make sure that there would be sufficient interest in being board members to be able to have the first board meeting. Otherwise, seeing how I am the only board member at the moment (every corporation needs one initial board member) I would have to pay the 800 dollar franchise tax fee. I didn't want to do that. I also didn't know if non-US-residents can be on the board, so yosh and I came up with a list of all US contributors and interested people and sent them mail asking about being TGF board members. Yosh, Mat, Nathan, were the ones who expressed interest at the time. This meant I had enough poeple interested that I felt I could contine without undue risk to myself. They are, in fact, not board members, though it seems likely that they will try to become one. I can't elect new board members until the bylaws are written (and, in fact, if the bylaws define a voting membership, I _can't_ elect. That is the members job). Now that I know that there are no residency requirements and and the only age requirement is 18 (so that you can enter contracts) I've asked (in my last mail) more generally, and with greater specificity, who would like to be involved. 2. Will The GIMP Foundation have a steering committee? No, not exactly. The GIMP has always been a contributor driven project, and I see no reason (or even ability) to change that. If TGF has an object called a steering committee it will only be able to be in charge of TGF employees. Noone is going to be telling volunteers what to do (unless of course, they are specific volunteering their time to TGF, but that is another matter entirely). 3. This thing is still vague to me. Aren't you assuming you will have money? What exactly is it supposed to do? Why should I care? Why should I get invovled? Why should I not get invovled. Yes, I am assuming we will have money. Without money, this whole thing is just an exercise is futility. Getting more money will be one of this things TGF will need to focus on. More or less, the purpose of TGF is to provide a public (and scientific) service by ensuring the distrobution, and development of The GIMP. What this boils down to it getting and spending money for the good of The GIMP. You should care because the money will be spend to support your activities (and perhaps even compensate you directly). You should get invovled if you want to have a say in how that money is spent, or want to get invovled with The GIMP in other ways. Undoubtably marketing style stuff will have a place in The GIMP, and I already know that there are more than a few non-technical people interested in contrubting to something like that. The only reason you should not get invovled is if you don't want to spend the time on it. By the nature of a corporation, no one is personally liable, so there is no risk for getting involved (including, but not limited to, protection for lawsuits and bad business deals made in good faith). Please let me know if anyone has and more concerns. I will address them as best I can. -- Dan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] The GIMP Foundation
Hello again, It has been awhile since I have done a GIMP Foundation update. There is quite a bit that must be decided on at this point. Also, people need to decide how invovled they would like to be. Summary: My Goals, Benefits of incorporation responsibilites of those invovled things to be decided looking for help What the organization can do MY GOALS First off, let me go over several of my personal goals for The GIMP and then I will try and show now TGF can be used to develop these goals. My goals for The GIMP really boil down to three things. First, I really want to see The GIMP to be a household name for professional image editors. Second, I want to the GIMP as easy as possible for volunteers to contribute to. Third, I want to be able to turn The GIMP into a real, paid, career for a team of people, including myself. As such I have been trying to further these goals by creating TGF, soliciting funding, and trying to come up with ways of using that funding to further these goals. Let me make perfectly clear that my important priority is to make sure that our existing volunteer developers are, in no way, givin any additional responsibilites or risks that he/she did not ask for. I do not want (nor do I think it is possible) to try and "control" or "be in charge" of our existing volunteer developers. No one, though my actions or those of The GIMP Foundation, will be required to perform any duties, or have any additional responsibities placed on them without his/her consent. What I want is to create an organization that can handle many of the details that do not interest a casual (or even not-so-casual) volunteer. There are quite a few things that could be done to increase the popularity of The GIMP that could be done easier under the organization of TGF. Marketing, making contacts, hiring employees, solicting donations, etc. are all difficult and valuable activities that could benefit all the developers, including the volunteer ones. I want to put in place means to increase oppurtunites for all of our developers. Increasing our userbase, attracting developers, attracting corporations interested in The GIMP will undoubtably lead to more and better opportunites for existing developers. BENEFITS OF INCORPORATION Presumably, I could handle all of these things myself, without creating a legal entity to do so. However, the existance of The GIMP Foundation has several legal benefits: 1) The GIMP Foundation can enter into contracts and acquire loans and, as long as the Directors act in Good Faith (and follow some fairly simple rules) cannot be held liable for any actions of TGF. This means that if TGF enters into a contract with a corporation (such as accepting a donation to finish a certain feature in The GIMP) and 50% of the way though the feature the corporation decides they want their money back, the individual directors and members hold no personal responsibility to pay back that corporation. 2) TGF can offer tax deductable donations. 3) We become qualified for Federal, state, and private grants. The first provision above is probably the most important. It means that if you follow the rules, there is no risk (other than the time you put into the organization) to running it. It also means that TGF can enter into contracts with people like Mark Shuttleworth and the individual members, directors and officers are not at risk of losing any personal funds. RESPONSIBILITES OF THOSE INVOVLED Non-profits have to have certain organizational structers. There must be a board of directors. The board has the power to enter into major business dealings, decides what to do with assets, and has to the power to hire officers. The officers handle the day to day business of the corporation. However, being invovled with The GIMP Foundation means you will be held to certain responsibilities. If you are a board member you must: Attend board meetings. Vote on specific issues. Avoid conflict of interest. Avoid self-dealing. Be honest. Be careful with the funds of the Foundation. fufill any other specific duties outlined in the bylaws. Board members have the power to: Enter into contracts in the name of TGF. make finantial decisions about the future of The GIMP. hire officers. Officers are empowered to handle the day to day decisions of the board. They are not normally empowered to enter into major business dealings, and the board is responsible for their actions. They must also fufill any responsibilites outlined in the bylaws. In addition, 51% of the board members have to be disinterested. (this means they or anyone related to them cannot be compensated by TGF for other than as a director). I.e. 51% of board members have to be volunteer. Also there are no residency or age requirements on any of these positions. (though the board members should be at least 18 so that they have the ability to enter into contracts). A non-profit may or may not have members. Members (in the legal sense) have specific voting ri
Re: [Gimp-user] Help docs online
Hi, On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 13:54, Dave Neary wrote: > Sven Neumann wrote: > > I think we should somehow get this setup at http://manual.gimp.org/. > > When GIMP-2.0 is out, the GIMP User Manual written by Karin and Olof > > will be pretty much outdated and should IMHO be replaced by the help > > written for GIMP-2.0. What do you think? > > Sounds like a good idea. What would be involved to do that? Would it be a case > of having the docs auto-built on a gimp.org machine or making the URL point to > Roman's machine? I agree. The current on-line manual should be replaced by the files from gimp-help-2. Perhaps an automatic build process (much like what is done for the gimp-web-devel module) can be set up on manual.gimp.org? Sincerely, Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Help docs online
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: I think we should somehow get this setup at http://manual.gimp.org/. When GIMP-2.0 is out, the GIMP User Manual written by Karin and Olof will be pretty much outdated and should IMHO be replaced by the help written for GIMP-2.0. What do you think? Sounds like a good idea. What would be involved to do that? Would it be a case of having the docs auto-built on a gimp.org machine or making the URL point to Roman's machine? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] Press pack requests
Hi again, Dave Neary wrote: - If anyone would like to donate an article on The GIMP 2.0, it is most welcome (this might also be a source of revenue for funding if magazines re-print it). Speaking of magazines, that reminds me of one thing we have not done. I have started a new page in PressPack, MagazineAddresses. Could people add the following information: - Magazine name - editor's e-mail address - postal address if available for all Linux, digital photography and image processing magazines in their country? We should split this by country. Thanks very much to Branko Collins for getting this list started with UK and Dutch contacts. An alternative method would be to have volunteers volunteer to send out the press pack for their country to all relevant magazines. It would be a brilliant thing for LUGs to do to cut CDs of The GIMP 2.0 plus all of the extras for cover CDs. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Help docs online
Hi, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The in-progress GIMP 2 docs are built from sources and available > online (thanks to Roman Joost, the docs maintainer) here: > http://www.kuhcampus.de/~roman/gimp-help-2/C/ I think we should somehow get this setup at http://manual.gimp.org/. When GIMP-2.0 is out, the GIMP User Manual written by Karin and Olof will be pretty much outdated and should IMHO be replaced by the help written for GIMP-2.0. What do you think? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Press pack requests
Hi all, The 2.0 release is getting closer, and there are still some thing missing from the press pack we want to send out. - Could native english speakers who have a few minutes please look at the "What's new in GIMP 2.0" page (http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/WhatsNew) and correct any grammar problems? - high-res screenshots of The GIMP showing new features are welcome. Examples of the kind of screenshots which are interesting are here: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/private/gimp-2/html/index.xhtml http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots.html - If anyone would like to donate an article on The GIMP 2.0, it is most welcome (this might also be a source of revenue for funding if magazines re-print it). Thanks a lot, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] release date(s) & gimp PR problems
Hi, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Void lon iXaarii wrote: > > PS: gimp seems to me like dead software for the simple reason that > > the gimp.org seems to be very un-updated: > > I agree there are problems with the website. Something should happen > soon, but unfortunately I have no idea what that will be. Currently, > no-one is working on the website to my knowledge (either www or > mmmaybe). That's not the full truth actually. Me and Raphael are sometimes giving www.gimp.org some smaller updates (mainly keeping the News uptodate and fixing broken links). I would also accept larger updates and put them online if someone really wants to put any work into the current site. Please let me know beforehand so I can explain how the site is generated. Then, we started to have a developer web-site at http://developer.gimp.org/. So far that's mainly Brix and me who have been working on this. The website is in CVS (module gimp-web-devel) and everyone is encouraged to help out. The website uses DocBook/XML but that shouldn't shy you away. It's actually very straight-forward to add new content to it. If you want to get involved, have a look at the README that you will receive when you checkout the gimp-web-devel module. Some people started to work on a rewritten gimp.org web-site quite a while ago. The result of this work is online at http://mmmaybe.gimp.org/ but for reasons that are too complex to explain here it did not replace www.gimp.org yet. The original creators of the new web-site left the project and now it sits there in the gimp-web CVS module, merely unmaintained and waiting for what comes next. There's an offer to have it replace www.gimp.org next weekend but this offer is bound to someone updating mmmaybe.gimp.org for the 2.0 release (which is supposed to happen at about that time). I don't understand why people are ignoring this offer but it looks as if noone is interested in the gimp.org web presence. This is a shame since the new site is in my opinion already a lot better than the current www.gimp.org. So perhaps someone on this list wants to help to get mmmaybe.gimp.org ready for the 2.0 release? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Help docs online
Hi everyone, I haven't seen this link sent to the lists yet, so I figured people would be interested. The in-progress GIMP 2 docs are built from sources and available online (thanks to Roman Joost, the docs maintainer) here: http://www.kuhcampus.de/~roman/gimp-help-2/C/ Suggestions for improvements to the docs, or additional docs for undocumented sections, can be posted in the wiki at http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/GimpDocs There are some particularly interesting pages there - Work in progress: http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/GimpDocsWip How to help out: http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/TipsForContributing Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] release date(s) & gimp PR problems
Hi, Void lon iXaarii wrote: PS: gimp seems to me like dead software for the simple reason that the gimp.org seems to be very un-updated: I agree there are problems with the website. Something should happen soon, but unfortunately I have no idea what that will be. Currently, no-one is working on the website to my knowledge (either www or mmmaybe). Dave. -- Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
