Re: [Gimp-user] Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click.
Steve Stavropoulos wrote: Having something like that in the right click I wouldn't think is very practical. A previous reply to your post made that very clear. Indeed, I hadn't even considered that some people don't have right mouse buttons. I can't really argue against any of the points against me. Although, as I understand it, you propose that some actions, relevant to the current tool, should be put somewhere where people can find them quickly. You have my vote on that. That's about the gist of it. I propose a small horizontal toolbar (same size with the menubar) which has some actions depending on the currently selected tool. Actually, this sounds like an all-round better idea. Would the toolbar be docked underneath the menubar or floating in its own window (or both)? It seems to me that docked would be best where the window is large enough to fit all of the tools while floating would be best where the window itself is too small but where there is consequently enough room on the rest of the desktop to accommodate it. Hmm, so basically I'm saying we should make the canvas window dockable, but just for this toolbar. You could also make it flexible and do what you do already with dialogues, providing a number of presets while allowing users the option to customise the toolkit themselves (a system that works excellently imo). Perhaps this could be done, but we should first try really hard and provide default shortcuts that will please most of the people. The reason I said this is because I suspect that different people use the gimp quite differently, and will require a different set of tools, depending on their needs. So far I've been using it for developing photographs, which is why I didn't even know you could stroke a path or selection until someone brought it up in a forum. Now I'm wanting to create icons, buttons, rollover effects and other website related paraphernalia, I'm having to learn to use tools I previously never even touched and not touching tools that I previously used a lot. This is my limited experience, at least. I'm still pretty new to the gimp all round. I've only been using it a couple of months or so. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 12/04/2005 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Alpha Channel Continuing (Re:)
I've mistaken i my laste question sorry. I thought Alpha Channel was that of a layer because i tried to add a mask to the background layer. But it does in fact display the transparency for the whole image very well. No trouble so. Somebody tells me if i'm wrong. Thanks for everything. Cedric ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:29:37 +0100 David Marrs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a general rule of thumb, users expect to be able to extend the use of > a tool/app/whatever on right-click anyway. This is simply a continuation > of that process. I don't really see why it should cause problems for > more experienced users who would easily be able to turn the option off > if they didn't like it, but I think it might help newbies and less > experienced users. I also think it's a more logical use of the right > mouse-button. I would not expect that on right-click, but maybe I'm not representative of the standard user. The fact that right-click currently does something that is available elsewhere is nice in my opinion, as a new user doesn't have to search for it, the menus are plain visible. Once he learns right-click gives the same menus, he can choose to use one or the other or both, so I like very much the current state of right-click (even though I don't use it myself!) My point is, the user would have to guess those actions are on right-click. I'm not sure right-clicking has to be expected from the user (and new users were complaining back at the time right-click was the only way to have menus). However, the idea of tools actions may be good, I just wonder where they would fit. -- Karine Delvare http://edhel.nerim.net/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click.
Alan Horkan wrote: > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, David Marrs wrote: > > >>Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:09:28 +0100 >>From: David Marrs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu >>Subject: [Gimp-user] Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click. >> >>I posted this to the c.g.a.gimp group initially but was told that this > > > the wha'? not familiar with the term c.g.a.gimp This is an abbrevation type commonly used for newsgroups, in this case comp.graphics.apps.gimp HTH, Michael -- The GIMP > http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki > http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins > http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Alpha Channel Continuing.
OK. Understood. But i think something is quite strange (it's UI, only). Alpha Channel is displayed in the upper part of the window. I thought this part was made for permanent informations (such as primary channels), but it seems that the alpha is dealing only with the active layer. Does anybody have an explanation of that behavior ! Cedric ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, David Marrs wrote: > It once again occured to me after recently discovering the stroke/fill > option that there are many commonly used operations associated with > tools that are difficult for users to find. Drawing shapes is a good > example of this. GIMP - it has to be said - is not the most intuitive > application in the world. > It may not be the most intuitive application in the world (something very very hard for a professional graphics program), but I think it is easily intuitable and that is the most importand property of a program for me. Other than that, I agree there are many ways the interface could be improved and we should try to improve it. > So, why not associate a toolbox with each tool that can be opened by > right clicking in the image window. Currently, right clicking simply > opens the menubar, which can be accessed twice already from the image > window: it seems like a waste of a mouse button to me. Much better to be > able to perform common tasks, such as "path to selection" or "stroke > path" instead. > > *Precisely what should go in these toolboxes I'm not sure.* > Having something like that in the right click I wouldn't think is very practical. A previous reply to your post made that very clear. Although, as I understand it, you propose that some actions, relevant to the current tool, should be put somewhere where people can find them quickly. You have my vote on that. I propose a small horizontal toolbar (same size with the menubar) which has some actions depending on the currently selected tool. For example, when you use any of the selection tools, that bar could have the following actions: stroke selection, save to channell, shrink and grow. For the paint tools, that bar could have the brush selection widget. That way, the user will have shortcuts to the actions he frequently needs and he will find out the most frequent actions for each tool very quickly. So, gimp will be both more usable and more intuitive. Maybe that bar could even auto hide... > You could also make it flexible and do what you do already with > dialogues, providing a number of presets while allowing users the option > to customise the toolkit themselves (a system that works excellently imo). > Perhaps this could be done, but we should first try really hard and provide default shortcuts that will please most of the people. PS. the more I think about this the more I miss it in gimp... ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, David Marrs wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:09:28 +0100 > From: David Marrs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Gimp-user] Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click. > > I posted this to the c.g.a.gimp group initially but was told that this the wha'? not familiar with the term c.g.a.gimp > might be a better place for it. I wanted to discuss it before submitting > it as a feature requeset to bugzilla. That way other users of the GIMP > can bring their ideas to it (like, whether or not they like it!) and I > can make it a bit more focused where it's uncertain (see *highlighted* > sentance): > > - - - - > > It once again occured to me after recently discovering the stroke/fill > option that there are many commonly used operations associated with > tools that are difficult for users to find. Drawing shapes is a good > example of this. GIMP - it has to be said - is not the most intuitive > application in the world. Rather than creating complex selectoins and then stroking them, Gfig can be used to create some intersting results too. request for a shape tool http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65197 > In fact, to utilise tools, one must either open a menu or go to one of > the dialogues docked in another window to get at the options one needs, > which can be frustrating if it's obscured by the window you're working > in. I'm often making 3 or 4 clicks to make a simple change. > > So, why not associate a toolbox with each tool that can be opened by > right clicking in the image window. Currently, right clicking simply If anything the GNU Image Manipulation Program should be moving away from requiring right click for anything as it makes work more cumbersome for anyone using a pen interface or accessibility tools. > opens the menubar, which can be accessed twice already from the image > window: If look back into the history of the gimp and see the stuggle it was to get the menubar added at all you will realise that there are many users who do actually like having to make that extra click anytime they want to do anything and you would have to pry the right click menu out of their cold dead hands. > it seems like a waste of a mouse button to me. Much better to be > able to perform common tasks, such as "path to selection" or "stroke > path" instead. Most other applications use the right click menu as _context menu_ providing a short list of the most used or most relevant functions for a particular situation. I am afraid this is not a change the developers would be able to make without pissing off a lot of existing users and more importantly I do not think it is even a change they would particularly want to make. > You could also make it flexible and do what you do already with > dialogues, providing a number of presets while allowing users the option > to customise the toolkit themselves (a system that works excellently imo). I think there is some sort of plan to make it easier to have presets for the various Filters, not sure though, might just be wishful thinking on my part. > Btw, this is (more or less) my first post to the mailing list. So I'd > just like to say hello to all other gimpers out there and, of course, > thank you to any developers watching. The developers do read this too. Later Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click.
Olivier Ripoll wrote: You can specify inthe preferences that the toolbox must be "on top". This way, you always have it available... Try as I might, I cannot find this option! Not everyone is using the menubar (it is optional, see the prefences): I do not. I find it unpractical since I very often use Gimp to work on small images. I think long time gimp users might also use preferentially the right-click menu to the menubar: It allows a faster/more straightforward access to the functionality. To summarise my personal opinion: The right click menu is one of the best things introduced by Gimp. But even with the menubar switched off it can still be accessed by clicking the right-facing arrow in the top left corner of the screen, so you don't *need* the right-click. I'm not saying that it shouldn't continue to be accessible by right-clicking. It could always be a preference option, or a Shift+click option. Compared to the way I use Gimp (toolbox never obstructed by image windows), I found that your way to access the tool options is demanding more click (1 click) that the present way (0 click). I'm not talking about reproducing the toolkit in the main gimp window, I'm talking about a separate toolbox that includes basic options (preferably not found in the toolkit) in order to make the GIMP faster and (crucially) more intuitive. Stroke selection is an obvious example here. Currently the only way I know to do this is from the Edit menu. Having this available on right click would be nice. As a general rule of thumb, users expect to be able to extend the use of a tool/app/whatever on right-click anyway. This is simply a continuation of that process. I don't really see why it should cause problems for more experienced users who would easily be able to turn the option off if they didn't like it, but I think it might help newbies and less experienced users. I also think it's a more logical use of the right mouse-button. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 12/04/2005 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click.
David Marrs wrote: I posted this to the c.g.a.gimp group initially but was told that this might be a better place for it. I wanted to discuss it before submitting it as a feature requeset to bugzilla. That way other users of the GIMP can bring their ideas to it (like, whether or not they like it!) and I can make it a bit more focused where it's uncertain (see *highlighted* sentance): - - - - Precision: I am not a gimp developer, just a user. It once again occured to me after recently discovering the stroke/fill option that there are many commonly used operations associated with tools that are difficult for users to find. Drawing shapes is a good example of this. GIMP - it has to be said - is not the most intuitive application in the world. In fact, to utilise tools, one must either open a menu or go to one of the dialogues docked in another window to get at the options one needs, which can be frustrating if it's obscured by the window you're working in. I'm often making 3 or 4 clicks to make a simple change. You can specify inthe preferences that the toolbox must be "on top". This way, you always have it available... So, why not associate a toolbox with each tool that can be opened by right clicking in the image window. Currently, right clicking simply opens the menubar, which can be accessed twice already from the image window: it seems like a waste of a mouse button to me. Much better to be able to perform common tasks, such as "path to selection" or "stroke path" instead. Not everyone is using the menubar (it is optional, see the prefences): I do not. I find it unpractical since I very often use Gimp to work on small images. I think long time gimp users might also use preferentially the right-click menu to the menubar: It allows a faster/more straightforward access to the functionality. To summarise my personal opinion: The right click menu is one of the best things introduced by Gimp. Compared to the way I use Gimp (toolbox never obstructed by image windows), I found that your way to access the tool options is demanding more click (1 click) that the present way (0 click). *Precisely what should go in these toolboxes I'm not sure.* You could also make it flexible and do what you do already with dialogues, providing a number of presets while allowing users the option to customise the toolkit themselves (a system that works excellently imo). - - - - Btw, this is (more or less) my first post to the mailing list. So I'd just like to say hello to all other gimpers out there and, of course, thank you to any developers watching. David Sincerely, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Alpha Channel
Jeffrey Brent McBeth wrote: On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 03:57:56PM +0100, David Marrs wrote: cedric wrote: I wonder why, when Opening or creating a document, there are only 3 color channel and then, when creatin a layer, the alpha is coming. What this stand for ? Cedric The bottom layer cannot be transparent, as far as I'm aware, so it does not have an alpha channel associated with it. You can still export transparent gifs and pngs though. Err, unless I am misunderstanding you, you are wrong. Yup, sorry. I should know that, having made bottom layers transparent in the past! (wtf?) I don't know where I got that from. Put it down to lack of coffee. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 12/04/2005 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Alpha Channel
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 03:57:56PM +0100, David Marrs wrote: > cedric wrote: > > >I wonder why, when Opening or creating a document, there are only 3 > >color channel and then, when creatin a layer, the alpha is coming. What > >this stand for ? > > > >Cedric > > > > > The bottom layer cannot be transparent, as far as I'm aware, so it does > not have an alpha channel associated with it. You can still export > transparent gifs and pngs though. Err, unless I am misunderstanding you, you are wrong. Bottom layers can most definitely be transparent. As noted previously in response to this question, when you create a new image, what you fill the base layer with changes whether or not it has an alpha channel. At any point, you can add an alpha channel by going to: Layer -> Transparency -> Add Alpha Channel At any point, you can remove an alpha channel by flattening the layer. Jeff -- Computer Science is as much about computers as astronomy is about telescopes -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra (1930-2002) pgpP6G9fLk27B.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Gimp-user] Feature Request: Open toolbox on right click.
I posted this to the c.g.a.gimp group initially but was told that this might be a better place for it. I wanted to discuss it before submitting it as a feature requeset to bugzilla. That way other users of the GIMP can bring their ideas to it (like, whether or not they like it!) and I can make it a bit more focused where it's uncertain (see *highlighted* sentance): - - - - It once again occured to me after recently discovering the stroke/fill option that there are many commonly used operations associated with tools that are difficult for users to find. Drawing shapes is a good example of this. GIMP - it has to be said - is not the most intuitive application in the world. In fact, to utilise tools, one must either open a menu or go to one of the dialogues docked in another window to get at the options one needs, which can be frustrating if it's obscured by the window you're working in. I'm often making 3 or 4 clicks to make a simple change. So, why not associate a toolbox with each tool that can be opened by right clicking in the image window. Currently, right clicking simply opens the menubar, which can be accessed twice already from the image window: it seems like a waste of a mouse button to me. Much better to be able to perform common tasks, such as "path to selection" or "stroke path" instead. *Precisely what should go in these toolboxes I'm not sure.* You could also make it flexible and do what you do already with dialogues, providing a number of presets while allowing users the option to customise the toolkit themselves (a system that works excellently imo). - - - - Btw, this is (more or less) my first post to the mailing list. So I'd just like to say hello to all other gimpers out there and, of course, thank you to any developers watching. David -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 12/04/2005 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Alpha Channel
cedric wrote: I wonder why, when Opening or creating a document, there are only 3 color channel and then, when creatin a layer, the alpha is coming. What this stand for ? Cedric The bottom layer cannot be transparent, as far as I'm aware, so it does not have an alpha channel associated with it. You can still export transparent gifs and pngs though. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 12/04/2005 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Image substraction available?
Peter Nabbefeld wrote: Hello, is it possible to substract one image from another? Probably setting all identical pixels to transparent? Kind regards Peter Nabbefeld There is a "difference" mode very useful for that. I am not sure it will give you a transparent pixel for 0, I think it is giving a black instead. But with the help of the layer masks, you can convert to what you want. I personally use it as the image equivalent of "diff". Best regards, Olivier ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
