Re: [Gimp-user] still lacking plugin support??
On Thu, 26 May 2005 18:59:49 -0400 McAfee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have the latest versions of libjpeg, libpng, libtiff and libXpm > installed with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set accordingly. I also downloaded and > installed gimpprint, and gimp-help. > > After three compile attempts... > > 1) I still cannot save in any other format other than .xcf Errr, well I presume you are using Gimp-2.2 something. File->Save As->Select filetype by extension. If that's not there, you have something wrong? > 2) There is still no 'file/print' menu option Well you have to have an image loaded before it will show "Print" > 3) The help-browser module still doesn't get built Read the results og your configure, it will probably tell you why it's not being built, so then go install what is missing Owen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
Carol Spears wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 07:50:31PM +0300, Erika De Jesus wrote: Carol Spears wrote: interesting. could you expand on the comparison for me? i do not see any similarities and i am interested to see what similarities you see between the two separately licensed, separately funded softwares that do completely different tasks on my computer. help me with this one carol it's like this carol. firefox is expanded by millions of users worldwide by submitting themes, plugins, and extensions. i think pierre was talking about gimp should be the same. that it should also be expanded by users, since it is also open source. the comparison is: GIMP: open source app is to Firefox: open source app Firefox has the support of Time Warner. I watched it get pushed on television. it is like this. there is a really good chance that FireFox users are the sort of people who can install software and use it without the help of the operating system. this sets them apart. it might also mean that it has a bunch of users that think "whee! it is free so it is cool". gimp-users get savvy windows users who can find and install software on their own and idiot linux users who need the distribution to install it. your enthusiasm for both the software is really nice and not misguided. the enthusiasm will change when you see how all of this stuff really works. dollar for dollar, i prefer an environment where a ruling party cannot dictate what i put on carol.gimp.org. actually, i enjoy watching some of them try to tell me to remove something. you are comparing free software with software that has received much funding and backing. it could be considered rude. please research the different communities and environments before making these comparisons. i actually had the honor of chatting with one of the original developers from back in the day when the project was cool (Netscape3 and lesser versions). heh, in so many ways it was more fun to meet mitchell than it was to watch larry wall get tom christianson to ask for a waitress (but the difference is marginal depending on my mood). all that fund raising and asskissing of time warner old farts -- it would be rude to the people who are managing things at mozilla to suggest that gimp and firefox are the same or that they even work together to promote free software. you are asking that the bastard child of gnu/linux live the life of the not bastard child of a free internet. i dont think that the bastard wants a different life. there is a lot to be said for people who work through things on their own. especially if you can say that about such a large group as we can only imagine the gimp-user base is. i would rather you not compare gimp to other free software applications. hell, they cannot even talk about gimp on lugradio. how is that for being the bastard! Yay! GIMP's plugins is to Firefox's extensions well, how about showing me how it works so well by showing me how to display an mng in firefox? gimp faithfully makes them. mng is a lush format for animations that improved on gif in so so many ways (in case being a firefox user you have not heard about it). lush and free. carol C'mon, Carol. Tell us how you really feel. Eric P ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
Hi, BandiPat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now I'm not sure if the Gimp folks check all the plugins out before > making them available or adding them, but it would seem logical to me > for them to have control over that, so no harmful plugins would be > submitted. Have a contributor send the plugins to someplace, let the > developers check them out, then put them up for users to add to their > Gimp setup. This, I think would make it much easier to add plugins as > well as find them. Speaking for the core developers of GIMP, I can only say that we don't have the resources to do that. That is the main reason such an update system doesn't exist yet. It has been proposed and discussed frequently over the past years but so far noone has spent the time to actually sit down and design such a system, let alone implement it. If someone wants to do that, that would be very much appreciated. But please don't count on the core developers to test, verify and maintain each and every plug-in that is submitted to it. Looking at registry.gimp.org see what works and what doesn't will probably help in designing a next generation plug-in registry. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
Hi, Asif Lodhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What about giving us a configurable option to configure any one or > both of these facilities? Making things configurable is a bad thing to do. Every new configuration option that is being added doubles the amount of possible configurations. This makes it impossible to test all possible configurations and increases the likelihood of bugs. It also makes it a lot more difficult to document the program. I am not completely opposed to adding more configuration options and from a programmer's point of view it's a trivial task but I think we should try very hard to avoid options. And if we absolutely need them, we should at least try to come up with reasonable defaults. In order to come to a conclusion here, we should probably try to implement a couple of options and actually try them. Backed up by such tests, it will be a lot easier to decide. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] still lacking plugin support??
I have the latest versions of libjpeg, libpng, libtiff and libXpm installed with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set accordingly. I also downloaded and installed gimpprint, and gimp-help. After three compile attempts... 1) I still cannot save in any other format other than .xcf 2) There is still no 'file/print' menu option 3) The help-browser module still doesn't get built Thanks for any help? Graeme P.S.: System: Solaris-sparc9 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
> From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:14:44 > +0200 > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Cc: gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key > > > Because I tried it and I made the experience that it pressing a key > with the second hand disturbs the workflow less than to switch mouse > buttons. But perhaps this needs actual user testing. > > > Sven What about giving us a configurable option to configure any one or both of these facilities? -- Best regards Asif Lodhi ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
> From: Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:14:44 > +0200 > To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Cc: gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key > > > Because I tried it and I made the experience that it pressing a key > with the second hand disturbs the workflow less than to switch mouse > buttons. But perhaps this needs actual user testing. > > > Sven What about giving us a configurable option to configure any one or both of these facilities? -- Best regards Asif Lodhi ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 04:32:37PM +0200, Pierre-Alexis wrote: > Hi, > > I believe Gimp & it's Plugins may be compared to > Firefox & it's Extensions (although it's maybe not > implemented identically). > > And theres something I love with Firefox and it's > extensions : the update system. This has been proposed quite a while ago. If you search an archive of the gimp-developer list you should find a discussion on this. The idea is fine. Firefox's extension update system has a lot of holes in it, so from an implementation perspective it's not really worth looking at. Something like Debian's apt is a better inspiriation. > So I was thinking : why not have such update system > for the Gimp ? It would be really great ! One could > update the Gimp very easily, without to have to wait > for the next Gimp stable release... This statement doesn't make sense. What kind of updates do you think you'll get faster? -Yosh ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] A couple of game oriented plug-ins
Dude, you're right! Thanks! I forgot that I changed my local files in the gimp dir and nowhere else. Well roared, maestro! New package fixed and uploaded at http://www.artcamilla.dk/vaultage/cornucopia/gimp-cgt-v0.1-20050526.tgz -Rene Jensen > I'm not sure I understand your answer (english is not my native > language) so I try do describe better the problem. > Brushes have two "names": filename like other files and "brushname", > that is the name that appears in the brushes dialog. When the script > searches for CGT.* brushes it looks at the "brushname". > Filenames of brushes in you archive starts with CGT, instead their > "brushname" starts with OMG, so IMHO I think is necessary to modify > script or "brushname". > > > > A second issue is that "load" and "save" button seem to do nothing :( > > > > Sorry, they haven't been implemented yet. Give me a week or two. The > > settings are saved with your image. Loading and saving is just for > > making "templates" so you can transfer a setup from one image/layer to > > another. > > > > OK > > > > A third one is that Gimp crashes when I click on two of your brushes in > > > brushes window. The brushes are OGM GV500 Rim 001 Rivets (8x8) and Rock > > > 004 (that is the same of the first). > > > > Sorry about the duplicate :) > > Yes, I think this is a bug in GIMP actually. You have to click and > > release fast, or else it tries to display the brush, perhaps as an > > animation. It seems like GIMP has a problem displaying very small > > animated brushes. I'll scan for a bugreport and if none mentions this, > > I'll post one. > > You are right I found the same problem with other small animated > brushes. > > Thanks again :) > > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
On Thursday 26 May 2005 03:36 pm, Carol Spears wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 02:23:23PM -0400, BandiPat wrote: > > I'll try to clarify Pierre's & Erika's points, if I'm reading them > > correctly. You have obviously gone off in a different direction > > than I think either of them were heading, but you also make some > > good points. Is that being diplomatic enough? ;o) > > thank you, and you are being diplomatic enough. > > i had no idea what i was getting into when i started to spend some of > my enthusiasm for great software and great ideas. i tried in another > email to express my warnings in a different language. > > there are so many reasons that the software does not compare. [...] > carol > > ___ Ok, that's where you take a different turn from the intended ideas. Nobody is wanting or trying to compare the programs. That's just not even logical, because they are so different and you have mentioned several others already. What we all, I think all, are doing, is suggesting a feature to be added to Gimp, for plugins, like the feature Firefox has for extensions. Adding, updating and removing plugins would become somewhat easier using this method for many using Gimp. Oh Carol & Alan, no need to send two mails, I get the list mail also, so one to the list will do. Hope that helps, Patrick -- --- KMail v1.8 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 There's no problem so awful that you can't add some guilt to it and make it even worse! ...Calvin ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
On Thursday 26 May 2005 04:07 pm, Alan Horkan wrote: > > Have someone make a depositry of plugins > > http://registry.gimp.org > > It isn't as easy to use as the Mozilla plugin system but I wanted to > make sure you were aware of it. > > Sincerely > > Alan Horkan > http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ > > __ Thanks Alan, it's bookmarked now. :o) Patrick ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
> Have someone make a depositry of plugins http://registry.gimp.org It isn't as easy to use as the Mozilla plugin system but I wanted to make sure you were aware of it. Sincerely Alan Horkan http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Sharing code between python plug-ins
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 10:03:34PM +0200, Rene Jensen wrote: > Is there a way to share code between python-plugins? A file with common > classes and functions would greatly reduce work-overhead for me. > > It would appear that the usual trick (i.e. from mycommonfile import *) > doesn't work as the python interpreter is based at the user home dir > (i.e. calling os.getcwd() returns '/home/username' or whatever). That > makes it a bit of a problem to import a file placed > at /home/username/.gimp-2.2/plug-ins, I think. > > Any help appreciated. > http://carol.gimp.org/gimp2/resources/python/fontmap.html carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
Erika De Jesus wrote: > yeah, i think that's gonna be great! though my prob is that > i'm no developer. and that im sorry that i can't contribute > plugins, brushes, patterns, and stuff. though i am pro to your > decision. the only question is... who does all the updating > and server paying? i dont think we can make GIMP pay it. > > got any ideas? Do it BitTorrent-style. HTH, Michael -- The GIMP > http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki > http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins > http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 02:23:23PM -0400, BandiPat wrote: > I'll try to clarify Pierre's & Erika's points, if I'm reading them > correctly. You have obviously gone off in a different direction than I > think either of them were heading, but you also make some good points. > Is that being diplomatic enough? ;o) > thank you, and you are being diplomatic enough. i had no idea what i was getting into when i started to spend some of my enthusiasm for great software and great ideas. i tried in another email to express my warnings in a different language. there are so many reasons that the software does not compare. gimp relies on people doing the right thing. the mozilla group has the option to do the right thing or not. when i tried to make a plug-in developing environment like this, the gimp-developers themselves broke it and the attempt. perhaps it was so that i could see how it all works. it is impossible to be diplomatic and share the experience maybe. there is so much about my experiences that i do not want to share with enthusiastic users nor have them endure. so i attempt to help with an email that says "please research before continuing". gimp relies on people doing the right thing. if people dont do the right thing, it is difficult to find who to blame. firefox has a method for doing the right thing. when they dont do the right thing, everyone knows what to blame. from my point of view, i think maybe *zilla should not be centralized like that and see if they can survive like gimp. in michigan, we had two newspapers. The Detroit Free Press and the Detroit News. The Detroit Free Press was dying. instead of allowing it to die therefore allowing a perfectly good and upcoming newspaper to fill its place, the two major papers joined. it was a spit in the eye of capitalism and of evolution. and they did it in the name of these ideals. well, calling gimp and firefox the same thing would be like calling these two newspapers different newspapers. now, hopefully the original poster on this thread will not loose all their stuff and friends. no diplomacy here. it is too late for this. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] A couple of game oriented plug-ins
Il giorno gio, 26-05-2005 alle 09:59 +0200, Rene Jensen ha scritto: > Hi there! Thanks for trying out, and do keep the comments coming. > > > Hi, I installed your plugin but I wasn't able to select brushes. I > > noticed that the names of brushes starts with OGM so I changed this line > > in your plugins: > > > > self.config[self.name+'-brush' ], 'CGT.*' ) > > > > into > > > > self.config[self.name+'-brush' ], 'OMG.*' ) > > > > and now works better :) > > That's odd? I renamed the tools from 'Brainsuck O.M.G.' to 'Camilla's > Game Tools' in the last minute (guess nobody will blame me), and I've > just tested that in the archives I've uploaded, everything starts with > CGT..? I don't know, perhaps a stale version of the webpage and package > file in some web cache somewhere? Try refreshing. Oh, and do clean all > the OMG stuff out to avoid duplicates :) > > I need to clean up the archives. This page will always be the most > recently updated when it comes to CGT: > > http://www.artcamilla.dk/vaultage/articles/the6502s/articles-gimp/camilla-game-tools/article.html > I'm not sure I understand your answer (english is not my native language) so I try do describe better the problem. Brushes have two "names": filename like other files and "brushname", that is the name that appears in the brushes dialog. When the script searches for CGT.* brushes it looks at the "brushname". Filenames of brushes in you archive starts with CGT, instead their "brushname" starts with OMG, so IMHO I think is necessary to modify script or "brushname". > > A second issue is that "load" and "save" button seem to do nothing :( > > Sorry, they haven't been implemented yet. Give me a week or two. The > settings are saved with your image. Loading and saving is just for > making "templates" so you can transfer a setup from one image/layer to > another. > OK > > A third one is that Gimp crashes when I click on two of your brushes in > > brushes window. The brushes are OGM GV500 Rim 001 Rivets (8x8) and Rock > > 004 (that is the same of the first). > > Sorry about the duplicate :) > Yes, I think this is a bug in GIMP actually. You have to click and > release fast, or else it tries to display the brush, perhaps as an > animation. It seems like GIMP has a problem displaying very small > animated brushes. I'll scan for a bugreport and if none mentions this, > I'll post one. You are right I found the same problem with other small animated brushes. Thanks again :) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Sharing code between python plug-ins
Is there a way to share code between python-plugins? A file with common classes and functions would greatly reduce work-overhead for me. It would appear that the usual trick (i.e. from mycommonfile import *) doesn't work as the python interpreter is based at the user home dir (i.e. calling os.getcwd() returns '/home/username' or whatever). That makes it a bit of a problem to import a file placed at /home/username/.gimp-2.2/plug-ins, I think. Any help appreciated. Sincerely Rene Jensen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 07:50:31PM +0300, Erika De Jesus wrote: > Carol Spears wrote: > > >interesting. > > > >could you expand on the comparison for me? i do not see any > >similarities and i am interested to see what similarities you see > >between the two separately licensed, separately funded softwares that do > >completely different tasks on my computer. > > > >help me with this one > > > >carol > > > it's like this carol. > > firefox is expanded by millions of users worldwide by submitting themes, > plugins, and extensions. i think pierre was talking about gimp should be > the same. that it should also be expanded by users, since it is also > open source. > the comparison is: > GIMP: open source app > is to > Firefox: open source app > Firefox has the support of Time Warner. I watched it get pushed on television. it is like this. there is a really good chance that FireFox users are the sort of people who can install software and use it without the help of the operating system. this sets them apart. it might also mean that it has a bunch of users that think "whee! it is free so it is cool". gimp-users get savvy windows users who can find and install software on their own and idiot linux users who need the distribution to install it. your enthusiasm for both the software is really nice and not misguided. the enthusiasm will change when you see how all of this stuff really works. dollar for dollar, i prefer an environment where a ruling party cannot dictate what i put on carol.gimp.org. actually, i enjoy watching some of them try to tell me to remove something. you are comparing free software with software that has received much funding and backing. it could be considered rude. please research the different communities and environments before making these comparisons. i actually had the honor of chatting with one of the original developers from back in the day when the project was cool (Netscape3 and lesser versions). heh, in so many ways it was more fun to meet mitchell than it was to watch larry wall get tom christianson to ask for a waitress (but the difference is marginal depending on my mood). all that fund raising and asskissing of time warner old farts -- it would be rude to the people who are managing things at mozilla to suggest that gimp and firefox are the same or that they even work together to promote free software. you are asking that the bastard child of gnu/linux live the life of the not bastard child of a free internet. i dont think that the bastard wants a different life. there is a lot to be said for people who work through things on their own. especially if you can say that about such a large group as we can only imagine the gimp-user base is. i would rather you not compare gimp to other free software applications. hell, they cannot even talk about gimp on lugradio. how is that for being the bastard! Yay! > GIMP's plugins > is to > Firefox's extensions > well, how about showing me how it works so well by showing me how to display an mng in firefox? gimp faithfully makes them. mng is a lush format for animations that improved on gif in so so many ways (in case being a firefox user you have not heard about it). lush and free. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
On Thursday 26 May 2005 01:16 pm, Carol Spears wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 07:50:31PM +0300, Erika De Jesus wrote: > > Carol Spears wrote: > > >could you expand on the comparison for me? i do not see any > > >similarities and i am interested to see what similarities you see > > >between the two separately licensed, separately funded softwares > > > that do completely different tasks on my computer. > > > > > >help me with this one > > > > > >carol > > > > it's like this carol. > > > > firefox is expanded by millions of users worldwide by submitting > > themes, plugins, and extensions. i think pierre was talking about > > gimp should be the same. that it should also be expanded by users, > > since it is also open source. > > the comparison is: > > GIMP: open source app > > is to > > Firefox: open source app > > > > GIMP's plugins > > is to > > Firefox's extensions > > > > i hope i helped. :) > > no, not really. > > one is clearly gnu and the other is not so clearly mpl. there is a > bunch of online discussions of the similarities between mpl and lgpl, > so many discussions that the big question of "if they are the same, > what is the reason for the existence of two documents". > > one difference that just screams is the fact that gimp can make mng > but the "open source browser" cannot display them and the nice > developers that made a plug-in for this were scolded and it is no > longer available. > > millions of users with an mpl'ed voice, all working together > > carol = Hi Carol, I'll try to clarify Pierre's & Erika's points, if I'm reading them correctly. You have obviously gone off in a different direction than I think either of them were heading, but you also make some good points. Is that being diplomatic enough? ;o) They are not comparing the programs nor how they are wrote or what license they are under, but instead offering, I believe, a nice way for users to add things to their Gimps. The Gimp already includes several plugins, etc with each build and that's fine, those shouldn't be discarded. What they are suggesting, and Erika or Pierre correct me if I'm mistaken, is to make the plugins available like the extensions are available in Firefox. Have someone make a depositry of plugins available and fix Gimp so that from the menu, you can add or remove or update those plugins each user wants in their setup! This would allow more people to contribute to the plugins and also allow each user to decide which ones they want. Now I'm not sure if the Gimp folks check all the plugins out before making them available or adding them, but it would seem logical to me for them to have control over that, so no harmful plugins would be submitted. Have a contributor send the plugins to someplace, let the developers check them out, then put them up for users to add to their Gimp setup. This, I think would make it much easier to add plugins as well as find them. I think it would be a good idea to implement something of this nature. I hope I was able to clarify it a bit more and wasn't misreading the other's mails. regards, Patrick -- --- KMail v1.8 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 There's no problem so awful that you can't add some guilt to it and make it even worse! ...Calvin & Hobbes ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 07:50:31PM +0300, Erika De Jesus wrote: > Carol Spears wrote: > > >could you expand on the comparison for me? i do not see any > >similarities and i am interested to see what similarities you see > >between the two separately licensed, separately funded softwares that do > >completely different tasks on my computer. > > > >help me with this one > > > >carol > > > it's like this carol. > > firefox is expanded by millions of users worldwide by submitting themes, > plugins, and extensions. i think pierre was talking about gimp should be > the same. that it should also be expanded by users, since it is also > open source. > the comparison is: > GIMP: open source app > is to > Firefox: open source app > > GIMP's plugins > is to > Firefox's extensions > > i hope i helped. :) > no, not really. one is clearly gnu and the other is not so clearly mpl. there is a bunch of online discussions of the similarities between mpl and lgpl, so many discussions that the big question of "if they are the same, what is the reason for the existence of two documents". one difference that just screams is the fact that gimp can make mng but the "open source browser" cannot display them and the nice developers that made a plug-in for this were scolded and it is no longer available. millions of users with an mpl'ed voice, all working together carol http://spamusement.com/index.php/comics/view/243 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
Tom Williams writes: > I'm in the same boat in that I didn't "discover" the current space bar > behavior and now that I know about it, I think it's great. The reason I > didn't discover it is purely because I never thought to press the space > bar at all. I don't even have that excuse. I press the spacebar all the time: I use it as a no-op to make that image active (so Layers and other dialogs will correspond to that image). I had dimly noticed that "something changes in gimp windows" when I pressed it, but I never thought to hold it down and really look at what was changing. My only excuse is that I think of space as an autorepeating character key, something I shouldn't hold down unless I want some discrete action to happen repeatedly. If discoverability is the problem, might it help to make it one of the startup tips? That's probably worthwhile regardless of which behavior ends up being bound to spacebar; spacebar to pan is no more discoverable than spacebar to move (I'd be surprised if most people who use a spacebar panner in any other program discovered it on their own). I bet there are lots of other tips like that which would make good startup tips. Is http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/FortuneCookies a good place to collect such tips, or does that just reflect the current checked-in list? Would it be better to add tip suggestions as a patch in a bug? ...Akkana ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
yeah, i think that's gonna be great! though my prob is that i'm no developer. and that im sorry that i can't contribute plugins, brushes, patterns, and stuff. though i am pro to your decision. the only question is... who does all the updating and server paying? i dont think we can make GIMP pay it. got any ideas? erika ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
Carol Spears wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 04:32:37PM +0200, Pierre-Alexis wrote: I believe Gimp & it's Plugins may be compared to Firefox & it's Extensions (although it's maybe not implemented identically). interesting. could you expand on the comparison for me? i do not see any similarities and i am interested to see what similarities you see between the two separately licensed, separately funded softwares that do completely different tasks on my computer. help me with this one carol it's like this carol. firefox is expanded by millions of users worldwide by submitting themes, plugins, and extensions. i think pierre was talking about gimp should be the same. that it should also be expanded by users, since it is also open source. the comparison is: GIMP: open source app is to Firefox: open source app GIMP's plugins is to Firefox's extensions i hope i helped. :) erika ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 04:32:37PM +0200, Pierre-Alexis wrote: > > I believe Gimp & it's Plugins may be compared to > Firefox & it's Extensions (although it's maybe not > implemented identically). > interesting. could you expand on the comparison for me? i do not see any similarities and i am interested to see what similarities you see between the two separately licensed, separately funded softwares that do completely different tasks on my computer. help me with this one carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] GIMP Updates
Hi, I believe Gimp & it's Plugins may be compared to Firefox & it's Extensions (although it's maybe not implemented identically). And theres something I love with Firefox and it's extensions : the update system. So I was thinking : why not have such update system for the Gimp ? It would be really great ! One could update the Gimp very easily, without to have to wait for the next Gimp stable release... What do you all think about this idea ? Pierre-Alexis. _ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] A couple of game oriented plug-ins
Hi there! Thanks for trying out, and do keep the comments coming. > Hi, I installed your plugin but I wasn't able to select brushes. I > noticed that the names of brushes starts with OGM so I changed this line > in your plugins: > > self.config[self.name+'-brush' ], 'CGT.*' ) > > into > > self.config[self.name+'-brush' ], 'OMG.*' ) > > and now works better :) That's odd? I renamed the tools from 'Brainsuck O.M.G.' to 'Camilla's Game Tools' in the last minute (guess nobody will blame me), and I've just tested that in the archives I've uploaded, everything starts with CGT..? I don't know, perhaps a stale version of the webpage and package file in some web cache somewhere? Try refreshing. Oh, and do clean all the OMG stuff out to avoid duplicates :) I need to clean up the archives. This page will always be the most recently updated when it comes to CGT: http://www.artcamilla.dk/vaultage/articles/the6502s/articles-gimp/camilla-game-tools/article.html > A second issue is that "load" and "save" button seem to do nothing :( Sorry, they haven't been implemented yet. Give me a week or two. The settings are saved with your image. Loading and saving is just for making "templates" so you can transfer a setup from one image/layer to another. > A third one is that Gimp crashes when I click on two of your brushes in > brushes window. The brushes are OGM GV500 Rim 001 Rivets (8x8) and Rock > 004 (that is the same of the first). Sorry about the duplicate :) Yes, I think this is a bug in GIMP actually. You have to click and release fast, or else it tries to display the brush, perhaps as an animation. It seems like GIMP has a problem displaying very small animated brushes. I'll scan for a bugreport and if none mentions this, I'll post one. > For now I'm only "playing" with your plugins but they seem really > useful. > Thanks a lot, J Have fun. They will stabilize soon :) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key
Hello, Why not use another key (or key combination) for that function ? Maybe it's not Photoshop's behavior, but Gimp's not really just a Photoshop's clone... Pierre-Alexis. __ --- Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: > Hi, > > Akkana Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Spacebar to switch temporarily to move is awfully > useful. I didn't > > know about it until this discussion, but I've > often wanted something > > like that > > See, that is exactly my point. The feature is not > discoverable and it > might make sense to exchange it for something which > is probably at > least as useful but wider known. > > > I'm forever switching between move and something > else, > > for instance when I'm creating lots of different > text layers and > > need to position each one. > > That's just a missing feature in the text tool. Of > course the text > tool should allow you to move text layers. > > > Do a lot of gimp users not have a middle mouse > button? Maybe tablet > > users who don't want to put down the stylus and > switch to a mouse? > > (That would be understandable.) Or is this just > because ... that > > other program does it that way, and its users are > used to it? > > Because I tried it and I made the experience that it > pressing a key > with the second hand disturbs the workflow less than > to switch mouse > buttons. But perhaps this needs actual user testing. > > > Sven > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu > http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user > _ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidéos ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
