Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)
I should also mention that this sort of thing comes up on the freebsd lists periodically. "If you'd only change the mascot and drop the whole daemon thing, my church/tiny business would decide to use your operating system. Maybe something cute like a penguin or a kitty waving it's paw?" (the last line being an arrogant and condescending summary of the responses) jim ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)
Brendan wrote: > On Friday 22 December 2006 02:44, jim wrote: >> Eric P wrote: >>> I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to >>> show up on a regular basis on the list). >>> >>> Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize >>> this thread on this exhausting topic? >> Summary to date: Noobs keep joining the list and want the name changed >> to match their sensibilities. They threaten to continue to add to the >> noise part of the signal to noise ratio until they get their way (see >> "kill file"). I suggest a new list dedicated to their traffic; >> gimp-name-haters@, thereby relieving the rest of the users and devo's >> from actually having to slog through their repeated attempts at >> "reasoning". > > It's good to see that this happens SO OFTEN that cutesy little paragraphs can > be written about how a few people know so much better than the "Noobs". God, > what condescension and arrogance. If by "condescension and arrogance" you mean no longer wanting to have to slog through the same repeated arguments made by people who feel that the name of an app seems to need more discussion than how the app works, well then yes. It's GPL'ed. If you don't like it, fork it and call it whatever you're little heart desires. You won't because it's been suggested before, and naught has happened (that's been announced anyway). Geez, go out and buy yourself a sense of humor for the holidays. btw, thanks for the new kill file entry jim ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 12:25:35AM -0600, Eric P wrote: > I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show > up on a regular basis on the list). > > Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize > this thread on this exhausting topic? Other than the idea of putting a webpage up detailing why a name change is not viable, and such proposals are not welcome on this list, none whatsoever. As usual, this thread is started and mainly populated by people who don't actually contribute to the project, probably because they don't have anything to speak of in the talent or brains department, and thus have to feel better about themselves by whining about *something*. These people have of course not read prior threads, or perhaps choose to ignore them, since several good reasons *not* to change the name in prior discussions are left unrefuted. Along with the webpage about why a name change isn't a good idea, it's tempting to put a list of names of people who have started and dragged on this sort of thread, with an explanation of how these people: a) make snap judgements on software based on name, not on merit b) think one or two anecdotes constitutes real research c) are completely clueless about marketing, since they can't recognize the power of a well established brand d) thusly, should never be taken seriously, let alone hired for anything GIMP has pretty good google ranking, so the page should be ranked highly for said people's names. Pointing out idiots publicly is kind of mean though, so perhaps not. -Yosh ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop
/rotflmao :-) lol/ Brendan wrote: >On Thursday 21 December 2006 21:06, Tom Williams wrote: > > >>Brendan wrote: >> >> >>>On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: >>> >>> Carter castor wrote: >This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP >though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so >much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as >GIMP and then name it after a slang word for a disabled person. How >do you sell that to a corporation? How do you market that? The >people in business suits are going to chose a program named Photoshop >over Gimp 11 times out of 10. > > Oh my God, let's not start this again. It's an acronym, get over it. >>>Oh wait, Geoffrey says "Get over it". Everybody with an opinion or actual >>>relevent facts, forget it. Geoffrey said so. >>> >>> >>Well, he's got a valid point. I don't get why everyone is discussing >>the word "Gimp" from an English language standpoint when Gimp is an >>*acronym*, as I also pointed out earlier on in this discussion. >> >>For example, "Sarasota County Area Transit" is a name of a transit >>agency and its acronym is rather interesting. :) >> >> > >What if they wanted to just call it SCAT, and then pretended to be "so >confused" when people laughed? "Jeez, it's just an acronym, even if 300 >million people might giggle and laugh when I say it. Oh well, those Indians >won't laugh when I say GIMP or SCAT." >___ >Gimp-user mailing list >Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU >https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user > > > ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop
On Thursday 21 December 2006 21:06, Tom Williams wrote: > Brendan wrote: > > On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote: > >> Carter castor wrote: > >>> This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP > >>> though: its name. I don't understand why the developers would put so > >>> much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as > >>> GIMP and then name it after a slang word for a disabled person. How > >>> do you sell that to a corporation? How do you market that? The > >>> people in business suits are going to chose a program named Photoshop > >>> over Gimp 11 times out of 10. > >> > >> Oh my God, let's not start this again. It's an acronym, get over it. > > > > Oh wait, Geoffrey says "Get over it". Everybody with an opinion or actual > > relevent facts, forget it. Geoffrey said so. > > Well, he's got a valid point. I don't get why everyone is discussing > the word "Gimp" from an English language standpoint when Gimp is an > *acronym*, as I also pointed out earlier on in this discussion. > > For example, "Sarasota County Area Transit" is a name of a transit > agency and its acronym is rather interesting. :) What if they wanted to just call it SCAT, and then pretended to be "so confused" when people laughed? "Jeez, it's just an acronym, even if 300 million people might giggle and laugh when I say it. Oh well, those Indians won't laugh when I say GIMP or SCAT." ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)
On Friday 22 December 2006 02:44, jim wrote: > Eric P wrote: > > I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to > > show up on a regular basis on the list). > > > > Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize > > this thread on this exhausting topic? > > Summary to date: Noobs keep joining the list and want the name changed > to match their sensibilities. They threaten to continue to add to the > noise part of the signal to noise ratio until they get their way (see > "kill file"). I suggest a new list dedicated to their traffic; > gimp-name-haters@, thereby relieving the rest of the users and devo's > from actually having to slog through their repeated attempts at > "reasoning". It's good to see that this happens SO OFTEN that cutesy little paragraphs can be written about how a few people know so much better than the "Noobs". God, what condescension and arrogance. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop
On Thursday 21 December 2006 23:51, Robert Smits wrote: > > > Oh wait, Geoffrey says "Get over it". Everybody with an opinion or > > > actual relevent facts, forget it. Geoffrey said so. > > > > If you'll check the bloody archives, you'll see this same subject has > > been discussed ad nauseam more then once. So, before you post, research > > the archives before wasting a bunch of bandwidth on a horse that's been > > beat to death. Jerk. > > Whether you like it or not, I suspect that the subject will keep coming up > because the name offends the sensibilities of a lot of potential users. > > Now I know that the name is an acronym, and I don't believe those who chose > the name did so with any intent to offend, or even to be humourous. I > suspect they didn't think all that much about the name at all. For many > handicapped people, however calling one of them a "GIMP" is as offensive as > calling a gay person a "faggot". > > Most of us who are now on the list will have seen the discussion wax and > wane, but in a month or two, someone else will come to the list and make > the same observation, and predictably someone will have the intolerance to > tell them to get over it, and that we've had the discussion. > > I really do think we need to find a better, less offensive name for GIMP, > and the sooner the better, so that we can put energy into supporting it, > and doing whatever we can to extend it's use instead of periodically having > this disagreement. Yes *points at best post in thread* ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp-Python GUI...
On Friday 22 December 2006 19:33, jbaker wrote: > I'm wanting to do a script that requires a more complicated GUI > than what the standard way of doing a script provides... > > Basically I want to be able to layout some of the widgets > horizontally instead of stacked vertically... > > What would be the recommended way to do this... ? > > Does anyone know of any scripts that do this type of thing that I > could refer to ? > > Thanks A Python plug-in can behave like a fully fatured C plug-in with "query" procediures and the like. The docuemntation on that is scarse, as you may have noted. There is soemthing floating on teh web somewhere, and IIRC, python-fu itself uses that to build the automatic interfaces. There is another way to do it however: just register a python-fu plugin that tkakes no input parameters whatsoever, and inside its main function, build a python GTK+ window, just as if it was a stand alone application. Thi ss is simpler and is what is done by the Python procedure Browser, for example. js -><- > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Gimp-Python GUI...
I'm wanting to do a script that requires a more complicated GUI than what the standard way of doing a script provides... Basically I want to be able to layout some of the widgets horizontally instead of stacked vertically... What would be the recommended way to do this... ? Does anyone know of any scripts that do this type of thing that I could refer to ? Thanks ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop (Zombie Thread)
jim wrote: >Eric P wrote: > > >>I'm lazy, and I don't feel like reading this entire thread (it seems to show >>up on a regular basis on the list). >> >>Were any new, constructive insights brought up? Anyone care to summarize >>this thread on this exhausting topic? >> >> >> > >Summary to date: Noobs keep joining the list and want the name changed >to match their sensibilities. They threaten to continue to add to the >noise part of the signal to noise ratio until they get their way (see >"kill file"). I suggest a new list dedicated to their traffic; >gimp-name-haters@, thereby relieving the rest of the users and devo's >from actually having to slog through their repeated attempts at "reasoning". > >At least at the current levels, it's easy to know when a thread starts >heading in that direction, and tell t'bird to bit bucket the messages. > >jim > > > Or how about adding a section to the list-etiquette, referring them to one of the earlier threads? Anything to pre-empt the very tedious subject coming up yet again ;-) Doug ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop
Trapper wrote: > > >1. Gimp means "to walk with a limp" in English and is slang. ... Most >English speakers >generally relate gimp to the slang variant, most of us are familiar with >it and most of us consider it to be something negative. > > It would be very nice if people looked up the archives once in a while.. and if they didn't take quite so provincial an attitude ;-) What you mean is ""limp" in American English Speakers of American English". As earlier threads have already pointed out, most non-American English speakers don't know this use of the word; and in a comprehensive dictionary like the Oxford English dictionary, it's noted as a specifically North American usage. FWIW most speakers of English live on the Indian sub-continent! Doug ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop
Trapper wrote: > Most English speakers > generally relate gimp to the slang variant, most of us are familiar with > it and most of us consider it to be something negative. > Can I just change that to "most American English speakers?" I learnt the meaning of the slang word "gimp" while reading a similar discussion to this on a news forum a couple of years ago. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp doesn't respond to mouse in image area, at all
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 02:47:56 +0100, Marc Lehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems to be a common occurrence, there is already a bug opened for this > problem. Okay, thanks. Do you have a link to this bug ? I looked for it, but couldn't find it. ~ Gerry ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop
> > Speaking about Gimpression, it could be taken as a copy of the MS > > Expression at the time being. I think it is a great name, but people > > tend to exaggerate when it comes to "stealing". > > What? No. Gimpression would NOT be confused with that. I think it's a great > name. I note that, so far, no one has taken up my challenge. Norman ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
