[Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
Is the Gimp online manual also available in another format? Currently I am printing out the html pages a small batch at a time. That's a tedious process. A printed version or even a version in a single electronic file would save a lot of time. A printed and bound version would be handier to use than a ring binder of 8.5 x 11 pages. Once I printed out the 880 pages of the Kylander Manual but that dated back to version 1 or thereabouts. That was as I recall in a single file. Therefore I could print it out using poor man's duplexing, (even pages first, then reload the paper stack and print odds.) -- John Culleton Create Book Covers with Scribus/e-book $5.95 http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
I agree! A PDF version would be fantastic Anyone interested in the job? -Original Message- From: gimp-user-boun...@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu [mailto:gimp-user-boun...@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of John Culleton Sent: Thursday, 18 June 2009 11:36 PM To: Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format. Is the Gimp online manual also available in another format? Currently I am printing out the html pages a small batch at a time. That's a tedious process. A printed version or even a version in a single electronic file would save a lot of time. A printed and bound version would be handier to use than a ring binder of 8.5 x 11 pages. Once I printed out the 880 pages of the Kylander Manual but that dated back to version 1 or thereabouts. That was as I recall in a single file. Therefore I could print it out using poor man's duplexing, (even pages first, then reload the paper stack and print odds.) -- John Culleton Create Book Covers with Scribus/e-book $5.95 http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
-Original Message- From: gimp-user-boun...@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu [mailto:gimp-user-boun...@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of John Culleton Sent: Thursday, 18 June 2009 11:36 PM To: Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format. Is the Gimp online manual also available in another format? Currently I am printing out the html pages a small batch at a time. That's a tedious process. A printed version or even a version in a single electronic file would save a lot of time. A printed and bound version would be handier to use than a ring binder of 8.5 x 11 pages. Once I printed out the 880 pages of the Kylander Manual but that dated back to version 1 or thereabouts. That was as I recall in a single file. Therefore I could print it out using poor man's duplexing, (even pages first, then reload the paper stack and print odds.) On 06/18/2009 10:40 AM, Michaela Baulderstone wrote: I agree! A PDF version would be fantastic Anyone interested in the job? I know nothing of the workflow that results in the current HTML manual format. It would seem to me that producing one or more other formats should come out of that same workflow. I cannot imagine the labor would be justified to do a one-time-only current-state PDF version that would be almost instantly out of date. That probably means that the authoring workflow and environment needs to be considered. This type of documentation is one of the prime beneficiaries of single-source, multiple-output authoring tools. I have not kept up on the current state of those tools and I am especially not aware of their status and capabilities in the open-source arena. However, I do know that there are a variety of approaches, each with their strengths and weaknesses. Jay ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
Hi, Is the Gimp online manual also available in another format? Currently I am printing out the html pages a small batch at a time. That's a tedious process. A printed version or even a version in a ... This might be cheaper than paper, ink, electricity, your time, and a potential option: GIMP User Manual: GNU Image Manipulation Program : Photo Retouching, Image Composition and Image Authoring (Paperback) by GIMP DocumentationTeam (Author), $30.05 http://www.amazon.com/GIMP-User-Manual-Manipulation-Composition/dp/1441419322/ .. I agree! A PDF version would be fantastic This was from the Gimp FAQ: http://www.gimp.org/docs/userfaq.html#Manual Is there a user manual? Yes. It is available in HTML form, and in PDF. But it seems the PDF is 2.4, not 2.6. I know nothing of the workflow that results in the current HTML manual format. It would seem to me that producing one or more other formats should come out of that same workflow. I cannot imagine the labor would I'm in the same boat, so I hope I'm stepping lightly. There are tools on Linux to convert from various formats. And Windows too. I'm think'n download the documentation, or it might already be installed as part of Gimp's help, and run it through one of these tools to create a PDF format from html. For the raw Gimp documentation, I'd just like to mention Asciidoc. It allows you to write documents in text and process them (python) into html, docbook, pdf, and more. I've followed the google support list and there was a thread about an author using it for an OReilly book, who also created a web site. If it would help, in any fashion, the link is: http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/ -- __ DJ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
On Thursday 18 June 2009 11:05:44 am Jay Smith wrote: -Original Message- From: gimp-user-boun...@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu [mailto:gimp-user-boun...@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of John Culleton Sent: Thursday, 18 June 2009 11:36 PM To: Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format. Is the Gimp online manual also available in another format? Currently I am printing out the html pages a small batch at a time. That's a tedious process. A printed version or even a version in a single electronic file would save a lot of time. A printed and bound version would be handier to use than a ring binder of 8.5 x 11 pages. Once I printed out the 880 pages of the Kylander Manual but that dated back to version 1 or thereabouts. That was as I recall in a single file. Therefore I could print it out using poor man's duplexing, (even pages first, then reload the paper stack and print odds.) On 06/18/2009 10:40 AM, Michaela Baulderstone wrote: I agree! A PDF version would be fantastic Anyone interested in the job? I know nothing of the workflow that results in the current HTML manual format. It would seem to me that producing one or more other formats should come out of that same workflow. I cannot imagine the labor would be justified to do a one-time-only current-state PDF version that would be almost instantly out of date. That probably means that the authoring workflow and environment needs to be considered. This type of documentation is one of the prime beneficiaries of single-source, multiple-output authoring tools. I have not kept up on the current state of those tools and I am especially not aware of their status and capabilities in the open-source arena. However, I do know that there are a variety of approaches, each with their strengths and weaknesses. Jay ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user All manuals are out of date. The fact that a manual is instantly updateable does not guarantee that all sections will be fully updated concurrently with the latest stable Gimp. There are only so many skilled hands to do it. In terms of paper books I work primarily from _Grokking the Gimp_ (2000) and the newer but sill obsolete _Artist's Guide to Gimp Effects_ (2007). The html manual is the most up to date best we have at the moment, and represents a huge work effort on the part of many people. But even within its present constraints the html manual can be improved by renaming the html files for the beginning section covered in numeric order. Some are named that way but most are not. One segment of Chapter 3, six segments of chapter 5 and two each for chapters 11 and 12 are so named. The rest have descriptive names. An index would also help. -- John Culleton Create Book Covers with Scribus/e-book $5.95 http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
Hi, On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 10:05 -0400, John Culleton wrote: Is the Gimp online manual also available in another format? That's a question for the gimp-docs mailing-list. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
Hi, On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 17:17 -0400, John Culleton wrote: An index would also help. What's wrong with http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/en/gimp-help-index.html ? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
Hi, On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 11:05 -0400, Jay Smith wrote: I know nothing of the workflow that results in the current HTML manual format. It would seem to me that producing one or more other formats should come out of that same workflow. Indeed. The manual is written in Docbook/XML and you can get a variety of output formats from that source. If you checkout the gimp-help-2 repository from git.gnome.org (I suggest to do a shallow clone due to the immense size of the project), then you will get the Docbook/XML sources, the images and a build system that spits out HTML and optionally PDF or ODF. Here's what I did to get a PDF version of the english user manual: git clone --depth=0 git://git.gnome.org/gimp-help-2 cd gimp-help-2 ./autogen.sh LINGUAS=en make LINGUAS=en make pdf-local And to check the result: pdfinfo pdf/en/gimp.pdf Title: GNU Image Manipulation Program Subject: Keywords: Author: Creator:DBLaTeX-0.2.10-1 Producer: pdfTeX-1.40.3 CreationDate: Thu Jun 18 23:57:05 2009 ModDate:Thu Jun 18 23:57:05 2009 Tagged: no Pages: 849 Encrypted: no Page size: 595.276 x 841.89 pts (A4) File size: 39395416 bytes Optimized: no PDF version:1.4 Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
http://html-pdf-converter.com/ PDF Converter, HTML to PDF Converter For Free Michaela Baulderstone wrote: I agree! A PDF version would be fantastic Anyone interested in the job? -Original Message- From: gimp-user-boun...@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu [mailto:gimp-user-boun...@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of John Culleton Sent: Thursday, 18 June 2009 11:36 PM To: Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format. Is the Gimp online manual also available in another format? Currently I am printing out the html pages a small batch at a time. That's a tedious process. A printed version or even a version in a single electronic file would save a lot of time. A printed and bound version would be handier to use than a ring binder of 8.5 x 11 pages. Once I printed out the 880 pages of the Kylander Manual but that dated back to version 1 or thereabouts. That was as I recall in a single file. Therefore I could print it out using poor man's duplexing, (even pages first, then reload the paper stack and print odds.) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
